Questions about administration
Basketball is relatively low budget. Why is it that Harbaugh can't win? I thought he did mightily well at Stanford. Is it because of the academic standard being too high? If so, why is Coach Howard having a blast? Why did we give up for 3 quarters?
OSU is good, we know, but that doesn't mean we should be their doormat every year.
I have not seen us beat that team. We are to OSU what Indiana is to us at this point.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:50 AM ^
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December 1st, 2019 at 7:11 AM ^
I don’t really know how to answer your questions. I don’t think anyone does at this point. People need to stop comparing basketball and football. Success in one does not mean you can automatically be successful in the other.
Why does Alabama basketball not win championships like Alabama football? Dumb question.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:18 AM ^
To put it as simple as possible, Gary Moeller saw the future of football and started recruiting speed and real athleticism. Lloyd was able to take advantage of it early with Moe’s guys. Lloyd went back to Neanderthal recruiting and the distance between Michigan and OSU started their shift. Add to that the abortion that was RR and Hoke and here we sit.
December 1st, 2019 at 9:35 AM ^
No. Moeller was destroyed by FSU and UW precisely because of speed. His bowl wins were vs a UW that lost much of it’s best players from the national title team and mediocre NCState, Mississippi, and Colorado State teams.
He went 9-3, 10-2, 9-0-3(!), 8-4, and 8-4. In other words no different from what Carr did.
December 1st, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^
Obviously you missed my point. That 91 season was exactly why he changed who he was getting. The speed was killing them, Michigan was way too slow. Stop trying to change history.
December 1st, 2019 at 12:11 PM ^
Indeed, it was his recruits that were seniors in 1997.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:21 AM ^
Where are the questions about the administration?
December 1st, 2019 at 7:41 AM ^
He did a good job at Stanford. The real record there, though, was:
2007: 4-8
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5
2010: 12-1
It is the 2010 record that made his coaching job there famous.
His overall record at Michigan is far better than Stanford. We don't have a 12-1 season at Michigan, but the Pac 12 also does not have Ohio State in it, or a team as routinely dominant as Ohio State.
In 2010, Stanford's ranked wins were #15 Arizona and #13 Virginia Tech. They lost to #4 Oregon. Many of their other wins were to teams weaker than today's typical Big 10 team.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:54 AM ^
The Pac12 had USC at their peak and Pete Carol was basically the nick saban of collage football at that time. Jim beat #1 USC with a 4 win Stanford team that was a 41 point dog, and went on to go 3-1 against Carol.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:28 AM ^
And he's 0-5 against OSU and lost to the three best teams he played this season. Harbaugh has gotten A LOT of mileage out of those Stanford wins.
December 1st, 2019 at 9:39 AM ^
Notre Dame is at least the equal of PSU.
December 1st, 2019 at 9:59 AM ^
Not by ranking, but ND was a great HOME win. PSU would have been a great HOME win too. Since it was on the road, we lost - just like ND last year.
December 1st, 2019 at 10:03 AM ^
Fair. Michigan has had serious road games issues since mid-Carr. Remember the UW and Oregon games?
A lot of the issues we see today are actually decades-old. I don’t how that gets fixed.
December 1st, 2019 at 12:15 PM ^
and somehow the NCAA went after USC for there recruiting violations.
NCAA Governor Gene Smith will never allow a serious investigation. . .
As I said in a previous thread, O$U will always have the upper hand because they generate more revenue than anyone else in the B1G.
You should have observed that yesterday on the delay of game that wasn't called or the myriad PI penalties that weren't called (again) in the first half
December 1st, 2019 at 7:49 AM ^
Harbaugh can’t win because he’s trying to compete with an OSU program in the middle of a 20 year golden age where nothing can possibly go wrong for them. And Harbaugh happens to have OSU’s undivided attention 24/7/365.
Neither OSU basketball nor MSU basketball give that level of attention to Michigan. It’s also a lot easier for upsets to happen in basketball than in football. In basketball all you need is one guy to go off and that can oftentimes be enough to take a team down. Michigan also has a strong foundation of winning already in place for Juwan to assimilate to.
The guys may be learning a new system but they have won a ton of basketball games already. They are a group of proven winners.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:24 AM ^
A very reasoned analysis. I'll also add that Beilein inherited a stable program from Amaker - not a very good one, but a stable basis to work from. It still took him several years to get it going. Amaker is the poor schmuck that took over the basketball dumpster fire from Ellerbe (gack) and stabilized it.
Harbaugh has had to rebuild Michigan from from the dumpster fires that RR and Hoke left behind. Unfortunately, it's taking more time than we all expected/hoped for. There are still holes in the roster, and teams like OSU take advantage of them.
I was pretty down after Wisconsin, but the way this team improved and fought back is incredible. Despite this latest shit show with OSU, I feel good about the future of the program. We saw both the defense and offense improve after UW - fixing the issues UW exposed. OSU just tore off the bandaids (an all-DE DL and talented, but thin secondary). Talent does that in college. Need to go into games against the likes of OSU without bandaids.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:51 AM ^
That dumpster fire from Hoke produced better players and better teams than we've seen with Harbaugh's own recruits. Stop with this.
December 1st, 2019 at 9:18 AM ^
Hoke's team plus a transfer QB looked like world beaters late in the season. Man, Harbaugh did such a good job with those guys. WTF happened?
December 1st, 2019 at 9:21 AM ^
That isn’t remotely true. ‘18 was a better team than ‘16. OSU just got a lot better. Haskins arm was created to destroy Brown’s defense.
Hoke’s recruits lost by 29 to OSU, blown out by PSU, and dominated by Wisconsin. Oh and they lost twice to MSU.
December 1st, 2019 at 10:03 AM ^
2018 was not better than 2016 and the number of players drafted from each team will prove that very easily
December 1st, 2019 at 8:32 AM ^
Goggles has it right.
Wisemen do not work backwards from history. The duffus analysis assigns cause and effects to events that were only related by chonology.
Back in the early 80s, the finanicial media was fascinated by the fact that the stock market following the NFC/AFC Super Bowl winner in that in the market almost always went up when the NFC won. It is of course a random correlation, not a cause and effect.
More often than not, the better team wins. It may be injuries, it may be depth, it may be recruiting, it may be luck. What it isn't is just one thing. If Speight and Newsome go uninjured, we are not having this conversation. If the refs would get the pass interference calls correct then we are not having this conversation.
I suppose Coach Harbaugh can spend more time teaching his players not to let the last bad play or bad call affect the next play or next quarter. The wheels tend to fall off when people start trying to score twice on one play. Michigan hasn't looked good playing from behind. Maybe Harbuagh needs to spend more time on mental toughness in that particular situation.
December 1st, 2019 at 12:19 PM ^
Bo couldn't do that either He never came from behind when the deficit was greater than 14 points.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:45 AM ^
It's because it's a long con t get your money.
December 1st, 2019 at 9:18 AM ^
3-17 since 2000. Michigan in general can’t beat OSU, not just Harbaugh.