QB going forward ...
So having traveled to PSU for whatever you want to call that ... I think the question has to be raised about who should QB going forward. First, I want to add that JOK played up to his abilities vs PSU ... good scrambles, some positive throws and of course we had drops and he still has an issue with not throwing balls away instead of getting sacked ... especially on 1st down. But be that as it may, Michigan is not going to anything other than a normal bowl game and with our next 3 games being Rutgers, Minnesota and Maryland, I think Peters needs to get game experience starting next week. JOK is gone next year and Speight is unavailable, and McCaffrey needs to red-shirt so why not let Peters get some real meaningful action?
Next season will likely have Peters and McCaffrey dueling it out (with perhaps WS) but we should be able to win the next 3 games without sensational QB play anyway. Isn't it time to get Peters some very valuable "real" action as our QB?
Go Blue
October 22nd, 2017 at 5:24 AM ^
I agree with the idea that we should give Peters some drives. But I don't think we should be ready to wash our hands of O'Korn, completely. I thought he did a fairly good job against PSU. I was a little concerned that he seemed to be bolting the pocket early, taking delay of game penalties, and failing to read through a progression. But I thought that most of his throws were reasonably accurate, and he didn't seem to be throwing too many balls up for grabs or into excessively tight coverage. I thought drops and poor route running were as much of an issue as any of O'Korn's problems. I'd like to see Harbaugh give him a chance to continue to improve next week.
If O'Korn doesn't demonstrate improvement, start thinking about Peters. But O'Korn still has a ton of potential. I have no doubt that Harbaugh still has good reasons to keep going with him over Peters.
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October 22nd, 2017 at 5:40 AM ^
Absolutely. Not to mention it sacrifices the season for the seniors. Fuck you Hurst, we suck, so we're packing it in the rest of the year. But, to all our recruits out there, we're totally gonna be good next year because of how much more we're gonna suck now.
Remember how RR's awful first season set him up for future success? It didn't crater fan support to an almost unsurmountable hole or anything. Plus, look at how nuts fans are going already. Does anyone here actually think people are going to brush off more L's because "Well, at least Peters was the QB."
October 22nd, 2017 at 6:03 AM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 9:37 AM ^
unless, of course, Peters isn't ready and sucks
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^
Then how does it make sense to have JOK in when it is 42-13? If he is so much better than Peters, wouldn't it make sense not to risk getting him hurt with a few minutes left and a 29 point deficit? Can't have it both ways. Either he is or he isn't so much better. Which is it?
October 22nd, 2017 at 2:50 AM ^
Put O korn in he has to be better than Speight.
Oops well shit!
Put Peters in he has to be better than Okorn.
Stay tuned...
October 22nd, 2017 at 5:41 AM ^
Bench Navarre!
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October 22nd, 2017 at 9:43 AM ^
There were and are always people who care more about high school star ratings and Henson was a darling to those folks. Truth be told, his on field play however was sub par including a consistent problem of overthrowing receivers and struggling with touch passes. People talked about this all of the time back then. Lloyd tried as much as he could to work with Henson and he favored Henson but the truth is a lot of folks felt that Brady was much more consistent and performed better.
Back then, everyone still remembered the 97 NC team and that we had dominated almost every game with a game managing QB (Griese). A lot of people wanted excellent decision making and consistency at the QB position, and Brady gave us that.
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^
This is completely false. There was much debate about it. It was split pretty evenly.
October 23rd, 2017 at 7:14 AM ^
I don't know how old you are, but in 1999, UM fans thought Tom Brady was complete shit and wanted Henson in. The only people who actually liked Tom Brady when he was here are the female fans that thought he was hot. Be highly suspect of anyone who says they were Tom Brady fans when he was at UM
I'm old enough to remember Harbaugh to Kolesar against OSU in 1985. Old enough to remember Desmond Howard making The Catch against the Irish in 1991; and I'm old enough to remember that opinions were pretty split as to who was supposed to be quarterbacking in 1999. Your suggestion that virtually every Michigan fan, or at least male Michigan fan, wanted Henson starting over Brady in 1999 is grossly overstated. Myself, I was skeptical of Lloyd's decision to platoon the quarterback position in 1999 and was personally in favor of starting the more experienced guy, an opinion that was eventually borne out by the middle of the season.
October 22nd, 2017 at 2:56 AM ^
Maybe just break him in with a few drives in every game.
October 22nd, 2017 at 8:31 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 3:08 AM ^
It's time, we should give Peters some playing time to prepare for next year.
October 22nd, 2017 at 3:13 AM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 10:40 AM ^
Probably right but then why was John in at 42-13?
October 22nd, 2017 at 5:10 AM ^
Any appreciation thread.
October 22nd, 2017 at 5:23 AM ^
He is the horse that can win Harbaugh a National Title.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:08 PM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 6:36 AM ^
We should be preparing for next year at this point and that means playing Peters.We're likely to get blown out by Ohio St. and Wisconsin regardless of who is behind center, and O'Korn is gone after the season anyway. I can't imagine Peters being any worse that O'Korn if his talent actually measures up to his recruiting profile. Let the kid start the rest of the season so that he actually does have some experience heading into next year.
October 22nd, 2017 at 7:24 AM ^
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October 22nd, 2017 at 8:18 AM ^
Do you really want one of them walking in there having never taken a meaningful snap in college?
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^
Exactly. And if he can't get snaps down 42-13 with a few minutes left in the game, he might as well transfer. There isn't an argument to be made that if John is so much better that he should be in the game risking injury at that point.
November 4th, 2017 at 8:39 PM ^
"Might as well play him just to see what you’ve got. " The coaches see him play in practice all week. I'll go with the assumption that they already know what they have in Peters. Further every in game snap is precious and pretty clearly the current offensive starters need as many as possible. There remains the possibility that Speight will fully recover, elect to continue to play and win the QB competition to start next year. Brown was able to rotate this season's starters last season because they were good enough to play. Harbaugh has a better understanding of the importance of exposing backups to game snaps as part of their development than virtually anyone here. If Peters is capable of the necessary level of play you'll see him in the game more.
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October 22nd, 2017 at 8:42 AM ^
The complaining on this board is pathetic!
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October 22nd, 2017 at 10:46 AM ^
This argument does not ahd has not ever made sense. You're not going to ruin a guy by letting him hand the ball off with 5 minutes left down 42-13.
October 22nd, 2017 at 8:48 AM ^
The goals for this season are over. FINISHED. Time for UM to look towards next season. O'Korn is in his final year of eligibility. Peters needs real-time game rep, so he and McCaffrey can push Speight for the starting position next season.
Start Peters versus Rutgers. If Peters is awful, put O'Korn back in. O'Korn is a high-school QB in the body of a 22 year old man. Peters cant be worse. Peters wont be worse. Peters will probably play about the same as O'Korn, but since the goals of this season are over, playing Peters is the smart move...the common sense move.
October 22nd, 2017 at 8:57 AM ^
I've said all along that the minute UM lost its second Division game would be the time to usher in any one of the freshmen QB's on the roster. For all intents and pruposes our season is over and We need to weigh whether to play for an 8 or 9 win season (at best) or preparing a productive QB for the future. Brandon Peters has zero game experience right now and we cannot count on Wilton Speight to take any snaps at this point. Starting the 2018 campaign with a redshirt Freshman or Sophmore QB who has never taken any snaps is a recipe for disaster. Better to take our lumps now.
October 22nd, 2017 at 8:58 AM ^
last night. Sadly, for whatever reasons, our passing game seems most effective when JOK is successful in evading a pass rush or standing in to take hit right after he throws. Higdon and Isaac show talent, Higdon continues to run very hard. While I think Peters will get some meaningful snaps this year, not sure the team is ready to protect him as much as he will need unless we call simpler developing routes and better blocking.
October 22nd, 2017 at 8:58 AM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 10:48 AM ^
Then Peters should transfer because he will never play if he can't get snaps now. If he is that bad that you would risk your starting QB by leaving him in at 42-13, then he would have to be the most terrible QB ever who couldn't even take a snap and hand it off to a RB. That doesn't square with common sense.
October 22nd, 2017 at 9:05 AM ^