Projected Playoff Standings Update

Submitted by alum96 on

With all games in the book pending the Utah/ASU game (both teams 1 loss, the winner should move up - the loser eliminated) here is a best guess of the playoff standings out Tuesday.

Key events:

  • Florida State survived a tough road game v solid Louisville
  • TCU survived a tough road game v solid WVA
  • Ole Miss had its heart broken at the end of game v Auburn in what was basically an elimination game
  • Miss State survived Arkansas
  • Georgia self eliminated any hopes with a loss to dreadful UF
  • KSU beat down an ok OK State team
  • ECU lost to Temple - goodbye
  • Oregon whomped Stanford
  • ND survived Navy
  • UCLA eliminated Rich Rod

Top question - how far do they drop Ole Miss with 2 losses?  This should tell us a lot about the chances of the SEC getting 2 spots in the playoff.  If this last minute loss drops them outside of the top 10-12 it would  indicate the committee is going to be not much different than an AP poll and most 1 loss teams would always be ranked ahead of any 2 loss teams.

Note - KSU plays TCU next week.

Projection

  1. (1) Miss State 8-0
  2. (2) FSU 8-0
  3. (3) Auburn 7-1
  4. (5) Oregon 8-1
  5. (6) Alabama 7-1
  6. (7) TCU 7-1
  7. (8) MSU 7-1
  8. (9) KSU 7-1
  9. (10) ND 7-1
  10. (4) Ole Miss 7-2
  11. (13) Baylor 7-1
  12. (14 or 17) Winner of Utah/ASU 7-1
  13. (15) Nebraska 8-1
  14. (16) OSU 7-1
  15. (18) Oklahoma 6-2
  16. (19) LSU 7-2
  17. (11) Georgia 6-2
  18. (21) Clemson 6-2
  19. (22) UCLA 7-2
  20. (12) Arizona 6-2
  21. (14 or 17) Loser of Utah/ASU 6-2
  22. (24) Duke 7-1
  23. (UR) Wisconsin 6-2
  24. (UR) Missouri 7-2
  25. (UR) Colorado State 8-1
  26. (UR) Michigan 4-5

alum96

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:15 AM ^

Also OSU plays @ MSU, ND plays @ASU, and Oregon plays @Utah .  Depending on how this Utah/ASU game ends either the Oregon or Notre Dame game will be huge and another elimination game.

funkywolve

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:26 AM ^

If you look at the games that still have to be played in the SEC West, Big 12 and Pac-12 South, things are going to sort themselves out by the end of November.  I'm not saying there'll be 4 teams that are clearly deserving over everyone else, but the number of teams in the discussion is going to get whittled down a lot.

Tater

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:35 AM ^

I will be cheering for OSU to beat MSU and give them their second loss.  I detest both, but at least I respect OSU.  Then again, it would be great in a way to see Sparty finish as Big Ten Champion, only to get screwed by the committee.  

Voltron is Handsome

November 2nd, 2014 at 8:11 AM ^

No. OSU needs to finally lose. I am so fucking sick of them. I hate how they had one bad season in 2011, get one of the best coaches in America, and have not missed a beat since. Of course that happens to OSU and their undeserving fans, but not Michigan and their fans. I do not want OSU to get a Big Ten title and a playoff spot. MSU will lose in the playoff if they get there.

MonkeyMan

November 2nd, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^

OSU beats MSU? -won't happen. Check out the OSU boards, they know what's gonna happen.

Prediction of many there: their "Mensa" super smart OC will choose the best player and quit using him for the rest of the game after a good half- MSU will win narrowly

Then Urb will have a heart attack and fall on the turf

Then Marky D wlll come across the field and kick him before going to the locker room

"How dare da Urb diss da MSU like dat!"

Logan88

November 2nd, 2014 at 11:23 AM ^

Counterpoint: The only two teams with good defenses OSU has played (VaTech and PSU) both shut down the OSU offense. In addition, MSU's lone loss was to a very good Oregon team on the road, OSU's lone loss (and they should have a 2nd loss to PSU but for the terrible officiating) was at home to a bleh VaTech team.

 

Double-D

November 2nd, 2014 at 7:10 PM ^

I could puke all over myself but I will be in a sports bar in Evanston after the game wearing maize n blue and cheering against Sparty. Does that mean I am cheering for Ohio? If I high five the guy wearing the buckeye sweatshirt and knock his beer on him would it be obvious?

funkywolve

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:23 AM ^

I think you're question about how they treat one loss vs two loss teams is spot on.  Of course, there's a lot of football to be played.  There's still a rediculous amount of games left between teams ranked in the Top 15.  If a one loss team comes out of the Big 12, I think it's going to be pretty hard to keep them out.  Of course, if the one loss Big 12 is Kansas St, Auburn can hold their hand up and say, 'Hey, we beat them on the road'.  Same if a one loss team comes out of the Pac-10, especially the South.  I realize the SEC West is getting all the love, but I think the Pac-12 is pretty solid, especially the South division and I think the Big 12 is a pretty good conference too.

alum96

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:42 AM ^

Yes Oregon v Utah next week will be interesting too.  Utah is built like Stanford.  That defense is doing very good things and the offense is meh.

I think the only way the SEC can get 2 teams in is

  1. if Miss State goes undefeated AND Auburn wins out (incl Alabama).... or
  2. is Miss State goes undefeated and Bama wins out (incl Auburn) 

The entails a 1 loss and 0 loss SEC West team.  I dont think a 2 loss SEC West team gets in, even if they are one of the top 4 teams in the country.

TCU beats KSU and their road is quite easy the rest of the way.  KSU wins - their only loss is Auburn - but still have Baylor and West Virginia and I dont see them winning out.  Baylor has no chance due to their SOS and non conf.

MSU is the only Big 10 team with a chance due to SOS.  MSU SOS is currently #63 lol.  But OSU will only play one ranked team this entire regular season.   But MSU needs Nebraska to win out or they are in danger of only playing 2 ranked teams the entire year. 

FSU's seems to be in unless a sort of improving Miami FL rises up. Louisville was their big chance to trip.

ND will get in if they win out but they have to go to ASU, go to USC and host Louisville.  They will trip vs ASU IMO.

ghost

November 2nd, 2014 at 4:47 AM ^

Alabama and Miss St. can't win out.  They play each other.

Notre Dame winning out wouldn't automatically put them in.  The only team better than 8-4 they would have beaten would be ASU.  The only 8-4 team would be Louisville.

if USC loses to ND they will likely finish with 5 losses as will Stanford (at least).  You only get so much credit for coming close beating a top team.

TCU will have beaten Ok,  Baylor, W.Virginia, K-St.  Kansas St. will probably win 9-10 games.  One of Baylor/Oklahoma probably will as well.  W.Virginia should win 8.

TCU should stay a head of ND.  If they win out.  There is no rational argument for them not.

I agree they probably lose to ASU.  Or Louisville 

Muttley

November 2nd, 2014 at 10:56 PM ^

as the 2nd possibility, which means that given MSSt/Bama wins, then Aub/Bama would have to win. So that's a 50/50 proposition if these MSSt, Bama, and Aub win out otherwise. But any of these teams winning out in the rest of their games is no easy task. Remaining Regular Season Schedules Mississippi State Sat Nov 8 TNMART Sat Nov 15 at BAMA Sat Nov 22 VANDY Sat Nov 29 at MISS Alabama Sat Nov 8 at LSU Sat Nov 15 MISSST Sat Nov 22 WCAR Sat Nov 29 AUBURN Auburn Sat Nov 8 TXAM Sat Nov 15 at UGA Sat Nov 22 SAMF Sat Nov 29 at BAMA

bighouse22

November 2nd, 2014 at 11:02 AM ^

Auburn has to beat Georgia (w/Gurly back) and Alabama.  Doesn't seem likely to me.

Miss St has Alabama and Ole Miss

The winner of the SEC West still needs to go beat the East Champion as well.

I think only one SEC team gets in.

The question is, does a B1G team get in ahead of the PAC12 or Big 12?

Muttley

November 2nd, 2014 at 11:07 PM ^

of One-Loss PAC12, BIG12, & ND teams PAC12 Oregon (PAC12 North) Sat Nov 8 at UTAH Sat Nov 22 COLO Sat Nov 29 at OREGST Arizona State (PAC12 South) Sat Nov 8 ND Sat Nov 15 at OREGST Sat Nov 22 WASHST Fri Nov 28 at ARIZ BIG12 (No Conference Championship Game) TCU Sat Nov 8 KSTATE Sat Nov 15 at KANSAS Thu Nov 27 at TEXAS Sat Dec 6 IOWAST Kansas State Sat Nov 8 at TCU Thu Nov 20 at WVU Sat Nov 29 KANSAS Sat Dec 6 at BAYLOR Baylor Sat Nov 8 at OKLA Sat Nov 22 OKLAST Sat Nov 29 at TXTECH Sat Dec 6 KSTATE Independents ND Sat Nov 8 at ARIZST Sat Nov 15 NWEST Sat Nov 22 LVILLE Sat Nov 29 at USC

funkywolve

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:28 AM ^

if I'd put Northwestern and Maryland in the win column but...  I wouldn't be surprised if UM beats Northwestern.  Maryland's a tough team to figure out.  I think UM will have to play a darn good game to beat them, but I think it's possible.  Columbus is a loss.

alum96

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:36 AM ^

Looking at advanced stats Maryland = Michigan.  Almost identical stats.  And both teams games vs PSU show they are all about identical teams. 

Northwestern is probably a step behind PSU/UM/Maryland but its on the road.  And we dont do road games.

 

LSAClassOf2000

November 2nd, 2014 at 7:43 AM ^

As of this morning, Michigan and Northwestern are #70 and #71 in the Sagarin ratings as well, 69.21 and 68.77 respecitvely, which when you add HFA in for that game makes Michigan a hypothetical -2.73 point underdog going into the game. Maryland sits up at #40 with a rating of 75.53, but I agree that on many metrics Maryland is a more fortunate Michigan this season. 

alum96

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^

Yes I was pretty shocked to wake up today to see Maryland is 6-3 but their quality of wins is abysmal and they've been blown out by the 2 quality teams they played - Wiscy and OSU.  So their record is far better than UM's and PSU's.  But they are essentially the same team when you do smell test.  Their "best win" is Iowa, an ok team but nothing special.  That said they are beating the mediocre teams they face (Iowa, PSU) while we are mostly losing aganst that level of team. (Rutgers, Minnesota)

Muttley

November 3rd, 2014 at 9:36 AM ^

I'm fairly sure the September Michigan wouldn't have come anywhere close to WVU, even at home.

Of course, I think Michigan should be better than it has played.  (Of course, I wear maize-colored lenses.)  But MD definitely has the better backward-looking resume.

alum96

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:34 AM ^

Damn Utah misses a FG chance in OT.  But their coach called TO to prevent delay of game.  Utah comes back from TO and missed a FG again!

alum96

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:40 AM ^

So ASU wins setting up an elimination game v ND in the desert next week.

Oregon still faces a very very scrappy Utah team in Utah.  That game smells a lot like FSU v Louisville and TCU v West Virginia.

CompleteLunacy

November 2nd, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^

Look, you may not think it's a big deal, it's ok to disagree. But not kneeling when you've won the game (because the other team can't stop the clock) and instead having an RB go out of bounds so you can run more plays to get a TD is the very definition of running up the score. It just is, ok.

alum96

November 2nd, 2014 at 1:51 AM ^

MSU getting a ton of credit for 1 win (Nebraska) - and a "moral victory" vs Oregon.  Next best win is... err.... Michigan... then 3-6 Purdue.  Other wins are EMU, Wyoming, FCS team and Indiana.

Meanwhile ASU has a similar win (Utah), plus wins v Stanford and USC and Washington.  Todd Graham needs to cry to the press about lack of respect like our friends in EL do.

Nebraska's best win is Miami FL.  Then uhh 3-6 Purdue.  Other wins are Florida Atlantic, Mcneese State, Fresno State, Illinois, Rutgers, and Northwestern.

OSU's best win is Penn State.  Then uhh.. Navy or Maryland. And so on and so forth.

jcouz

November 2nd, 2014 at 5:16 AM ^

Does the committee take pre-season rankings or last year's results in to consideration when ranking teams? They have as good of a loss (Auburn at home but closer score than Sparty at Oregon). Their overall strength of victory has got to be higher. I think Oklahoma may be their best win but the B12 wins they have must be better than wins over Purdue, Indiana, and Michigan. I feel like a 1-loss K-State team would get overlooked for tv $/ political reasons.

alum96

November 2nd, 2014 at 5:59 AM ^

No its not based on last year at all but they are unfortunately getting some street cred after last year's wins over OSU and Stanford in highly televised events.   And I assume the Oregon loss is giving them credit because they stuck around for a half.  Sort of like Purdue did with Notre Dame.

The SOS of the Big 10 teams is atrocious - you cannot find a second quality win for any of these 4 teams at the top. 

These are "best wins" for each team

  • MSU has Nebraska
  • Ohio State has Maryland (who somehow is 6-3 beating a bunch of nobodies and then gets trucked by Wisconsin by nearly 50)
  • Nebraska has a Miami FL team that is basically Michigan nowadays
  • Wisconsin has Maryland.

Here is a list of the 2nd best wins of all these teams who are complaining about lack of respect

  • MSU - Michigan
  • OSU - Rutgers
  • Nebraska - Rutgers
  • Wisconsin - Rutgers

Rutgers is at 5-4.  Nebraska played them without Nova for half the game and Wisconsin without him at all.  Once you get past Rutgers you are talking Illinois Purdue or Northwestern for most of them as the 3rd best win.

Kansas State has Oklahoma as its first win and for example as a 2nd win Saturday destroyed a decent OK State (who is not as good as it used to be) but played even with Florida State to open the year and would beat us or Rutgers by a healthy margin.  So once you get to 2nd/3rd wins the Big 10 teams have almost nothing to offer since the imbalanced schedule had Wisconsn and Nebraska avoiding OSU (and vice versa) and MSU avoiding Wisconsin.  So we have 4 teams of any strength and they are all avoiding each other in crossovers.  And even a 2nd rate team like Iowa is not crossing over with OSU or MSU. 

And to end the year K State still has West Virginia, Baylor, and TCU.  MSU basically has Ohio State and a cigar break.

jcouz

November 2nd, 2014 at 8:16 AM ^

they should be ranked above every B10 team based on strength of schedule. I do not see any way they will be though. I could see them being a spot ahead until the last weekend. Since the B12 doesn't play a championship game, a 1-loss Sparty or OSU would jump K-State by winning the B10 Championship game. I think it is total b.s. but would guarantee that is how it would work. The only way the B10 champ doesn't get in is if they have 2 losses. At this point, the SEC has 3 teams that could all make it. Auburn vs Alabama would be an elimination game. I think Miss. St. Is going to lose big at Bama in 2 weeks. Even with only one loss, the timing and margin will screw them. I see the playoff as SEC champ, Fla. St., Oregon, 1-loss B10 champ.