Magnus

January 7th, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^

I don't see how you think they're both the same consistency/accuracy when Rudock was a 64% passer - and threw the ball downfield more - and Speight was 61.6%. Rudock led the conference in completion percentage, and while Speight was just #2 in the conference, it was in a creally crappy year for QBs in the Big Ten when Perry Hills led the conference with 61.9% on screen after screen. In the larger context of FBS football, Speight was #39 in completion percentage in 2016 while Rudock was #23.

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Magnus

January 7th, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^

That's a...misguided take.

They ended up with similar stats and the same W-L record, but they were going in different directions. Rudock joined the team in August and started slow. Speight was in his third year, started fast, and then fell off. The proof isn't in the overall stats, but it's in how each one finished the season.

Final 6 games for Speight: 7 TDs, 5 INTs, 3-3 record
Final 6 games for Rudock: 15 TDs, 3 INTs, 5-1 record

Rudock was also a 64% passer, while Speight was at 61.6%.

You say they're similar, but I'd take Rudock 100 times out of 100.

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Ghost of Fritz…

January 7th, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^

RS freshman and Rudock was a RS senior.

Speight may end up at a much higher level.  Or he has already hit his ceiling.  Time will tell.

Plus basing the comparison on the last six games has many flaws, such as the difference in opponents, injuries, very small sample size, etc.

In addition, it is possible for the better QB to end up with worse numbers b/c the OC has more confidence in the better QB and, therefore, calls on him to make harder throws (though I admit that I don't see strong evidence that this happened with Speight this year).

 

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Magnus

January 7th, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^

Speight was a redshirt sophomore. Yes, two years difference, but not quite that wide.

Statistically, there are flaws, yes. But anyone using his eyes and half a brain knows that Rudock was superior in 2015 to Speight in 2016. I'm not going to knock Rudock much when he's literally been on the team for 4 weeks before game one against Utah. But once he had time to learn the offense and build chemistry, he was very, very good. Speight did have that time, and he didn't build that chemistry.

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cbs650

January 7th, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^

Who you say was the better QB at the same stage of their career? Yes you are judging them on one year starting at Michigan but Rudock was a B1G starter prior to coming to UM so I would expect him to be better than a first year starter.

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Mr. Yost

January 7th, 2017 at 10:10 AM ^

I would take Rudock as well. 100 times out of 100. He was a RS Senior. His progression was unreal. And I just liked him more personally - I loved his command on the huddle and the team.

But I'm looking at their stats over the course of a season. Which Ruduck is still slightly better, but it's not a huge jump if you add a 13th game for Speight.

I don't do selective reasoning like you have done.

Michigan's had Utah and cupcakes the first 6 games of 2015. That wasn't the case in 2016.

You also use the last 6 games when Speight was injured for half of those.

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Magnus

January 7th, 2017 at 10:30 AM ^

If they're virtually identical, then I don't know why you would take Rudock 100 times out of 100 over Speight. Obviously, you don't think they're virtually identical - you think Rudock is better. So I don't know why you were arguing with the statement above that Rudock 2015 > Speight 2016.

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Mr. Yost

January 7th, 2017 at 10:11 AM ^

 

 

Rudock

*2015 Michigan Big Ten RS SR QB 13 249 389 64.0 3017 7.8 7.7 20 9

141.5


Speight

2016 Michigan Big Ten RS SO QB 12 204 331 61.6 2538 7.7 7.8 18 7 139.8

 

...like I said, use Speight's averages and give him the 13th game and he's similar. Despite being hurt for 3 games and being a RS So vs. a RS Sr. 

...oh and Speight had a much tougher SOS. #5 vs. #30 for Rudock.

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Mongo

January 7th, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^

and if Wilton doesn't reboot his improvement path he is going to get passed (npi) by Peters. Partly Wilton's shoulder injury impacted his finish not being as strong as his start, but before then he also seemed to lose his mechanics and the sharpness he had built up over the summer and fall camp. Ideally, we need more of the Rudock type improvement profile as the season progresses. To win championships, the QB needs to be peaking in November. Wilton can be that guy next year. Having faced the adversity is helpful - the coaches need to work with him to develop mid-season techniques to combat any slumps.

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YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

January 7th, 2017 at 8:59 AM ^

presence in the QB and OC areas that a bunch oh guys could fit this part of the role well. Plus the GA is extremely important with WR development, almost more so than any position with the type of skill development - I think it's Drew Terrell right now. Pep seems like a good choice for most criteria. Is he highly regarded as a recruiter?

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MAccLA

January 7th, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^

Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson may be replacing associate head coach-offense Pep Hamilton this off-season as well.
Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network reports that Hamilton has been in contact with Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh about the possibility of returning to the college level. Hamilton is said to be "weighing a departure" to join Harbaugh's staff, which has a passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach position open.
Cleveland reportedly wants him to stay but Hamilton "likes being a college coach."
The two previously coached together for one season at Stanford. Outside of a five year stint at Howard and a four year stint at Stanford, Hamilton's entire 19-year coaching career has been spent in the NFL.
Hamilton has not been calling plays this season under Jackson. However, he's an integral part of the weekly game-planning.
http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Pep-Hamilton-considering-jump-to-M…

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MAccLA

January 7th, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^

True, it is misleading. However, if you back out the first five years of his coaching career at his alma mater, Howard, the NFL resume does stand out more.
Full Coaching History Table
Year Age Level Employer Role
199723CollegeHoward UniversityQuarterbacks
199824CollegeHoward UniversityQuarterbacks
199925CollegeHoward UniversityOffensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
200026CollegeHoward UniversityOffensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
200127CollegeHoward UniversityOffensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
200329NFLNew York JetsOffensive Quality Control
200430NFLNew York JetsOffensive Asst./QB
200531NFLNew York JetsOffensive Asst./QB
200632NFLSan Francisco 49ersOffensive Asst./QB
200733NFLChicago BearsQuarterbacks
200834NFLChicago BearsQuarterbacks
200935NFLChicago BearsQuarterbacks
201036CollegeStanfordWide Receivers
201137CollegeStanfordOffensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
201238CollegeStanfordOffensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
201339NFLIndianapolis ColtsOffensive Coordinator
201440NFLIndianapolis ColtsOffensive Coordinator
201541NFLIndianapolis ColtsOffensive Coordinator
201642NFLCleveland BrownsAssociate Head Coach-Offense
Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 1/7/2017.

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Kvothe

January 7th, 2017 at 10:38 AM ^

Why would you back out five years of his experience? If you back out five years of his NFL experience then he spent the majority of his time coaching college. Edit- I should have refreshed, this comment was made two minutes ago.

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FGB

January 7th, 2017 at 10:46 AM ^

when Brian says "well if you just take out the long Dalvin Cook pass completion and the 70 yard run, the defense held him in check."

Well, yeah, but those things DID happen.  So did his 5 year stint at Howard.

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Swazi

January 7th, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^

2014 the Colts were 3rd in the NFL in total offense and Luck threw for 40 TDs.

In 2015 Luck played less than half the season and the offense was third to last and Pep got fired.

As we've seen with the Colts lately I don't think Pep Hamilton calling the plays was their problem.



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itsbigcat

January 7th, 2017 at 9:26 AM ^

Colts fan here. Pep was decent. He was the first head to roll as a scapegoat in what we now see nearly two years later as the incompetent leadership team that is the trifecta of a pill popping Irsay, his best buddy and maybe league worst GM Grigson, and Pagano, the first coach to miss the playoffs in Indy in two consecutive years and keep his job in over two decades. Hamilton was lauded at first in Indy and as the Colts have slowly begun to become the Dolts again, he was an easy target and was thrown to the wolves. I think he could work well with Harbaugh and brings a breadth of experience.



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