OTish: What would you want "The Alliance" to be?
With the recent article from Stewart Mandel in The Athletic that the proposed Big10-Pac12-ACC alliance has about as much form as raw dough, it got me dreaming of what I'd want an alliance of these conferences to look like. In my ideal world, the conferences would get smaller, there would be more out of conference games, and in addition to conference championships there would be other random trophies teams would play for. For example:
Pac8 - Washington, Wazzu, Oregon, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC
Western 8 - Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa Minnesota, Wisconsin
Heartland 8 - Northwestern, Illlinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Sparty, an Ohio St U, Louisville
Yankee 8 - Pitt, Penn St, Syracuse, BC, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA, VT
Atlantic 8 - Duke, UNC, NC St, Wake Forest, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami (YTM)
Notre Dame would play teams from across the aliiance in relatively equal proportion. Everyone else plays 7 division games and some thing like 3-4 out of division games that don't count for the division title. Colorado, Utah and the Arizona schools would regularly play in California, and the Corn Belt schools would regularly play against the Heartland schools - and you could still give out a trophy/co-championships for the "Old Pac12" and the "Old Big Ten." The 5 division winners and a wild card/ND can play a 6 team alliance championship playoff, with the final being the Orange Bowl, and the winner of that invites the SEC champ to play against them in the Rose Bowl.
Penn St going to the east and Louisville with a bunch of Big Ten schools may seem weird, but otherwise what's basically the old big east is as weak as the old big east was. Penn St anchors it some and makes what's basically the Big Ten East somewhat less of a dogfight.
Yes this is pointless and stupid and it's almost football season and whatever does happen will be probably 20 team divisions and ignoring all traditions and i'll shrug and keep watching and loving it anyway so...at least this knocks the panic of going to Spartan stadium every year off the top of the board.
August 18th, 2021 at 2:26 PM ^
Michigan
Ohio State
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
We could call it the Big 10 division or something cool like that.
August 18th, 2021 at 2:49 PM ^
Amen, brother.
August 18th, 2021 at 2:55 PM ^
And, if we want to get uber-fancy then we could create a second division in the alliance called the Pac 10 division. I would include these teams in that division:
USC
UCLA
University of California
Stanford
Washington
Washington State
Arizona
Arizona State
Oregon
Oregon State
The winner of the Big 10 division could then play the winner of the Pac 10 division annually out west in a cool stadium like the Rose Bowl. I'll bet people would watch something like that.
August 18th, 2021 at 5:03 PM ^
Sounds complicated.
Are you sure this would work?
It seems you've been hitting the crack pipe something fierce lately.
August 18th, 2021 at 7:18 PM ^
I would propose that mGrowOld be the commish. And I would 100% sign off on modeling all trophies into his likeness.
August 19th, 2021 at 9:52 AM ^
Pacific Coast Conference
Rocky Mountain Conference
Great Plains Conference
Big Ten Conference
Big East Conference
Atlantic Coast Conference
Make them all 10 to 11 team conferences-and they all play every other conference school in every sport.
August 18th, 2021 at 2:32 PM ^
Keep the conferences as is, get rid of the divisions. Top 2 teams play in the conference championship, plus keep the crossover games for teams not in the championship.
8 B10 games (only 2 protected rivalries per team), 2 ACC games (1 home/1 away), 2 PAC games (1 home/1 away). Don't do home-and-homes, I want to play different ACC/PAC teams every year.
August 18th, 2021 at 8:49 PM ^
How would you define the “crossover games” if there are no divisions? I’m assuming 1v2 for conference title, 3v4 4v5 and so on?
August 18th, 2021 at 2:35 PM ^
I negged you for the "an Ohio St U", and including Notre Dame.
August 18th, 2021 at 2:50 PM ^
There are about a dozen Ohio state universities. Claiming “The” is grandiose and should be punished.
August 18th, 2021 at 2:50 PM ^
I negged you for negging him, as "An Ohio State U" is brilliant - mic drop!
August 18th, 2021 at 2:37 PM ^
An alliance? I have no idea what you're talking about...
August 18th, 2021 at 2:42 PM ^
Big Ten - Michigan, Ohio State, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana
Pac Ten - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State
Each division plays a round robin to crown a champion. The two champions play in a conference championship game Jan 1 called the Rose Bowl.
ACC - Clemson, Virginia, Duke, Wake Forest, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Maryland, Georgia Tech
Big East - Virginia Tech, Boston College, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse, Connecticut, Cincinnati, Penn State, Rutger
Each division plays a round robin and crowns a champion. The two champions play in a conference championship game Jan 1 called the Orange Bowl.
Notre Dame can go to hell, join the SEC, or join with the Big XII leftovers, Nebraska, Colorado, and Mountain West/WAC to form their own super conference.
Anyway, this is how I play NCAA 14.
August 18th, 2021 at 2:54 PM ^
I'd prefer that Notre Dame be left out. Little Catholic private school doesn't really fit the model. Leave them to pick up serious travel costs and get thrashed regularly by the SEC, if it will have them. Time. to. call. their. stankin'. bluff.
August 18th, 2021 at 3:05 PM ^
Do you? I'm pretty sure NCAA 14 is where the Legends and Leaders divisions live on.
August 18th, 2021 at 3:40 PM ^
Yep! You can restructure your conferences to look how you want them to! Eliminate conference championship games, rename conferences, change conference schedules, etc.
August 18th, 2021 at 3:24 PM ^
Ahh yes, the ultimate FU to Notre Dame - some of their biggest rivals join together and leave them out. I like it
I like it a lot
August 18th, 2021 at 2:50 PM ^
Me, King Kong Bundy, Garth Brooks, Grimmace, my uncle Steve, Elmer Fudd, and the Easter Bunny
August 18th, 2021 at 3:06 PM ^
Literally keep the leagues intact and guarantee a non conference game against a team from one of the other conferences. Let individual schools decide if their other two ooc games go to tomato cans to sustain the lower levels of division I, an upper echelon d2 school, or the SEC, independents, remains of big xii, etc.
August 18th, 2021 at 3:17 PM ^
If I were God, then the 2022 college football would mean every major college football team must play their 1982 college football schedule - regardless of what conference affiliation they have today.
You play it where you stand.
Big 10 round robin 9 game schedule, 2 non conf games.
Sorry Nebraska, you're out, and playing your ole Big 8 schedule and opponents including Oklahoma, Iowa State, Kansas, etc. plus your 1982 non.conf road games at Penn State and at Auburn.
Sorry, Maryland, welcome back to your dipshit ACC schedule, including Clemson, UNC and a non-conf. games against Penn State and Miami (FL)
That means Oklahoma at USC, UCLA at Michigan, Florida State at Ohio State.
12th game is at-large team, don't care.
Conf. title games are wiped off.
Just a top 16-team celebrity death match tournament at the end with 10 conf. champions and 6 at-large teams with 9 or 10+ wins.
The rest of the teams with 8, 7 and 6 wins go to Bowl games as consolation prizes for $
August 18th, 2021 at 3:22 PM ^
How about
- Keep conferences as they are today
- Toss divisions and conference title games. Who cares. Go to 8-9 game conference schedule and everyone gets say 2 protected rivals
- 1 inter-conference game from each league i.e. Michigan plays one ACC and one Pac per year
- 1 freebie game
- Institute 2 pre-season games so everyone can play their tomato cans and get some reps decent game reps in
- Ohio State can no longer offer scholarships but must keep playing football. Going over a .750 win percentage in a season results in 1 year death penalty
August 18th, 2021 at 3:22 PM ^
Screw ND.
ABSOLUTELY NO to special provisions for them if they join the proposed Alliance.
August 18th, 2021 at 3:37 PM ^
Logged in to write something to that effect, thanks.
ND has gaslit more than a few people about how special they are. BYU (probably envious of ND) has done the same to a smaller degree and with less success.
August 18th, 2021 at 5:21 PM ^
B1G should give ND one last chance, either join or none of our teams are allowed to play you ever again
August 18th, 2021 at 3:32 PM ^
I don't see the alliance doing much to dramatically change college football. If anything, it's only setup to out-leverage the SEC when the big schools/conferences break away from the NCAA and form their own league. The smaller schools within the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC have to use their collective power to keep the SEC from continuing to take whoever they want in their effort to build an approximately NFL-sized super conference. They see what happened to the Big 12 leftovers. (Incidentally, it's hilarious to me that Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and Arkansas can ride the coattails of the big SEC schools and have a spot in the future of college football when it so uncertain for many other schools).
My impression of this Alliance is just a way to make USC, Michigan, OSU, Penn St, UNC, Clemson, and some other big brand schools feel better about staying within the current conference paradigm and cut off any ideas of joining/forming a super league with the SEC (a la what the big Euro soccer clubs tried to do).
In the medium term, I think they'll continue to be the big 4 conferences approximately as they are now. The ACC may convince ND to join, and maybe some of the old Big 12 schools get picked up. They might standardize schedules somewhat and guarantee inter-conference games every year (maybe limiting G5/FCS games to one per year). Maybe they negotiate TV contracts together and therefore make more money from ESPN/FOX/CBS (since they won't negotiate against themselves) and possibly share a pool of revenue.
There is no way I can see them taking the 41 schools and divvying them up this way, breaking historical rivalries (Michigan-Minnesota, among others) and conference affiliations. It's an alliance, not a new super-conference that sheds all ties to the past.
Finally, any conference formation that has Arizona schools together with Minnesota and Wisconsin is really, really dumb.
August 18th, 2021 at 4:42 PM ^
I love the little brown jug. But I don't think we're in the same conference as Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois and the rest of the West not named WIsconsin with the current 14 team Big Ten. I think this way we may actually play them a bit more than twice in 6 seasons (2016-2021) and 3 times in 10 seasons (next scheduled matchup is 2023, nothing currently for 2024 or 2025). I hate the status quo here, which is that our rivalry with Minnesota already has been broken up (among others).
August 18th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^
I just want it to be the voting block against the SEC.
August 18th, 2021 at 3:45 PM ^
Let ND join the Big12 and be the flagship program of a dying conference. If they want to retain their independent status, let them live like BYU and the other independents and stop giving them preferential treatment.
August 18th, 2021 at 4:20 PM ^
Keep everything as is, schedule OOC games within the alliance. The end.
August 18th, 2021 at 4:24 PM ^
Yankee 8 - Pitt, Penn St, Syracuse, BC, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA, VT
Virginia...Yankee? Somewhere out there, a bunch of Virginians just shit themselves.
August 18th, 2021 at 4:32 PM ^
That makes me even happier
August 18th, 2021 at 6:03 PM ^
2 mega conferences:
Southern = SEC + Oklahoma, Texas, Ok State, Clemson, FSU, Miami, Va Tech, Arizona, ASU and Colorado
"Big-Pac" (the logo would be a great opportunity for mischief) = B1G + USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech and UVA
I am perhaps conceding too much leaving Rutgers in the B1G but have 4 6-team conferences and basically concede that it is an NFL-esque feeder system including conferences and divisions with rotational schedules etc.
August 18th, 2021 at 6:05 PM ^
Oregon got done dirty
August 18th, 2021 at 6:47 PM ^
Add in B12, move Colorado and Nebraska and ??? to B12. Have 4 conferences. 9 games in conference, 2 against other Alliance teams, one game against either g5 or a 3 rd Alliance game. No conference championship games. Pac-X plays B1G in Rose Bowl, B12 plays Acc somewhere and the winner of those games play in the Alliance championship. No games against SEC ever.
August 18th, 2021 at 8:19 PM ^
Virginia in the Yankee 8? I guess NoVa is more northern than southern.