OT: USMNT World Cup roster is set.

Submitted by NotADuck on November 9th, 2022 at 6:19 PM

https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4795467/usa-2022-world-cup-roster-led-by-pulisic-mckennie-pepi-steffen-miss-out

Lots of injuries for Berhalter to deal with.  Obviously not ideal being without Miles Robinson and Chris Richards.  It's worse that those 2 players play the same position and one of the most important.

In my opinion, notable inclusions: Haji Wright, Ethan Horvath, Joe Scally, and Shaq Moore.

Notable exclusions: Jordan Pefok, Zack Steffen, Ricardo Pepi.

Overall I'm not too fussy about this roster.  Horvath over Steffen is a strange choice to say the least but the backup keeper likely won't play at all so I don't think this affects the team much.  Joe Scally is the only true left back on the roster besides Antonee Robinson and he plays for a big club in Monchengladbach so I can understand the reasons to keep him.  Shaq Moore is young and talented but hasn't accomplished much yet.  He's athletic and has potential though.  Haji Wright is a very strange choice for me.  I wouldn't have taken him over Pefok.  I know Pefok disappears for long swathes of play and he's very one dimensional... but so is Wright.  Pepi being loaned out to Groningen likely decreased his chances even though he's been playing lights out for them recently.

It looks like Berhalter wanted guys who were in form, in shape, mostly ready to play, and not needing to be loaned out to earn playing time.  Some exceptions to those rules but not many.  Let's go!

NotADuck

November 9th, 2022 at 6:21 PM ^

I'd like to note that I believe the number 2 keeper on this roster to be Sean Johnson, not Ethan Horvath.  Johnson was very solid in his time with the team recently and he's always been strong in the MLS.  I have no problem with him on the roster or being the number 2.

MaizeBlueA2

November 9th, 2022 at 6:27 PM ^

You all will know a lot more than I do about this... I'm amateur hour, but I try.

Shaq Moore over Reggie Cannon? Am I wrong to be confused by that one? 

Roldan over Arriola?

Wright over Pefok AND Pepi?

 

I know Steffen is the headliner, but he doesn't seem like he's been truly fit and in form in years. But those 3 or 4 stood out to me? Anyone want to make the argument on Greggggg's behalf?

Needs

November 9th, 2022 at 6:43 PM ^

This may be going with the hot hand. Prefok's cooled off significantly. Hasn't scored in two months. Haji has 4 goals in his last 4 games and has been scoring consistently (in a lower level league than Prefok). Think he has like 9 goals. In the end, I just don't think Berhalter rates Prefok.

I wonder if Pepi picked up some kind of injury, because Berhalter gave him significant minutes in September. 

I personally hope Sargeant starts. He's been playing well but more importantly, he'll stay high and work his ass off, unlike Ferreira who loves to drop into the mid-field and just seems to clog things up (particularly as Pulisic does the same thing).

NotADuck

November 9th, 2022 at 6:56 PM ^

My sentiments exactly regarding Wright/Pefok.  Pefok disappears for long stretches of play and he hasn't scored in a very long time for his club.  He's purely a target man in the box and doesn't offer much else.  Wright is on fire for his club.  It's probably as simple as that.

I don't think Pepi picked up any kind of injury, I just think he disappeared after his big game against Honduras.  Also he had to be loaned out to a lower level club in order to earn playing time.  Sure he's been good with Groningen, but that's a low level club just like Haji's.  If you're looking at what those two players have done recently, its pretty similar with Haji's resume slightly better.

JMo

November 9th, 2022 at 7:04 PM ^

The problem with Gregg is when he attempts to justify his choices.

Pefok was on fire in September but wasn't called in. Haji has scored 4 goals in his last 4 games and IS called in this time?  Pepi struggled against Honduras?  Haji was BENCHED at half of Nations and Gregg went out of his way to negatively comment on his effort. Pepi btw has been on the same tear that Haji is (5 goals and 2 assists in his last 8 games).  

BTW - Jenny Chiu has confirmed that Pepi isn't injured.

 

At the end of the day, I've decided to stop trying to figure out Gregg's call-ins. They're neither logical nor consistent. So why try? He should basically just come out and say "I'm the coach and it's my perogative to pick who I want." It'd make more sense. In the same breath he should also say "oh by the way, Roldon has compromising pictures of me so that's why I keep carrying him."

NotADuck

November 9th, 2022 at 7:18 PM ^

I'll have to reread my comment but I think I said the opposite of "Pepi struggled against Honduras".  I believe I wrote he struggled AFTER Honduras.  Suddenly teams gave him more attention and he disappeared.

I can see your point about Haji but considering that both players are in great form for their clubs and they both play in lower level leagues.  It has been a long time since the Cup of Nations so I don't think that bears much weight any more.

Haji's form isn't just recent, its also consistent.  He scored 14 goals and 2 assists for his club last season.  Pepi couldn't earn time with Augsburg and had to be loaned out to a low-level club to get any time.  I think that matters to Berhalter because he did the same thing with Steffen.

I'm not saying his logic is sound but I am saying that Pepi and Wright have similar resumes so any small differences matter.

los barcos

November 9th, 2022 at 8:24 PM ^

Gregg said he was looking between Pepi versus Sargent and Haji versus Pefok, the latter of which is especially odd because neither Haji nor Pefok was called into the latest camp.

Steffan not being called doesn’t bother me too much - he has been really bad and the 2nd (or 3rd?) string goalie will hopefully not play. 
 

The Pepi thing bothers me, as it seems like we’ve spent a year and a half working with Pepi and the first team - and now we’re bringing in someone with little USMNT experience in a position of need? I don’t think that’s going to work.

(Also, there are now zero Mexican -Americans on this team, and if you’re trying to recruit dual nationals, as is now necessary, it seems like you may have just foreclosed a lot of potential players down the road.)

NotADuck

November 9th, 2022 at 6:46 PM ^

Reggie Cannon is solid.  He's reliable.  He's dependable.  You know what you're getting from Reggie Cannon.  I guess Berhalter wanted more youth and athleticism.  Moore probably won't play anyway, considering he'd be the 3rd right back.

Roldan and Arriola play different positions.  Arriola is more of a winger where Roldan is more of a center mid or defensive mid.  Roldan bores me to death and Arriola can't hit the broad side of a barn with some of his shots.  He'll make an incredible goal every now and then but he also misses wide open nets at the same rate.  He does work his ass off on both ends of the field, can't discount that.

Berhalter must know something about Wright that we don't know.  Maybe he saw something in practice?  One thing is for sure, Wright has been destroying the league he plays in, whereas Pefok started strong but hasn't done much lately.  Only problem is the level of quality in the Turkish league Wright plays in.

MaizeBlueA2

November 9th, 2022 at 7:20 PM ^

I don't think it's hard to understand at all. He's effort guy.

 

You understood why undersized Zack Novak played a ton, right?  Jordan Kovacs? Ben Mason?

I see Morris because I'm guessing he adds to the team culture and adds toughness. He seems like he's always played like he knows he's the least talented guy on the field (which he usually is) and so he has to work twice as hard as everyone else (which he usually does).

I could see how that has value on a 26 man roster. If you get in a game when you're up 1-0 and you need a guy who's going to run his ass off, no matter how much it hurts, put his body on the line, a guy who's going to defend and be strong enough to release and run it into the corner to kill time...that's Jordan Morris. 

As a situational sub, I get it.

ChuckieWoodson

November 9th, 2022 at 7:50 PM ^

Dont get your panties in a bind, buddy. I'm not shitting on your post. While it was snarky, sure (maybe a little too much so) - the question still remains. Do we even have a sliver of a chance? Further compounded by the injuries makes it seems like there's now even less of a chance? Current odds +12500. 

NotADuck

November 9th, 2022 at 8:53 PM ^

Whether or not the USMNT has a chance of winning the World Cup is irrelevant.  Obviously the goal is to win but everyone knows the odds are low.  It's not about that though.  It's about the World Cup itself.  The World Cup is like the Olympics but somehow more prestigious.  It's an event where merely participating is considered a victory in itself.  It's also just damn fun.

There have been plenty of seasons of Michigan football where we all knew the team had no shot at winning anything of importance but most of us watched anyway because we love football and we love Michigan.

I, and many others, will watch because we like soccer and we like our team.

los barcos

November 9th, 2022 at 8:36 PM ^

There have only been eight countries to win a World Cup, so generally speaking winning a World Cup isn’t the goal for all but a handful of elite teams. Getting out of the group, maybe winning a game in the knock out rounds would be a huge success for the youngest team at the World Cup and would set us up well for 2026 when  we’re hosting the World Cup. 

dankbrogoblue

November 9th, 2022 at 10:11 PM ^

Here's my take as a follower (not a heavy follower) of the USMNT:

If this team could make the quarterfinals (which the US has done once since the first World Cup), it would be seen as a big success. Semi-Finals, we would be shitting our pants, anything beyond that, rapturous.

We might not make it out of the group stage.

The World Cup is just extremely competitive, and we are still working on the infrastructure to compete with the Western European and South American teams (all world cups have been won by those regions).

This is a young squad, but potentially the most talented group to ever wear the uniform. There is a lot of legitimate doubt about the current manager being the one to lead the squad to the promised land. But...

The goal of this World Cup is to set up a run for when it's in the US in '26. Getting to the knockout stage is a big step for that, and going deeper would be all gravy.

Gulogulo37

November 9th, 2022 at 10:31 PM ^

Well, I assume he means winning it all, which is pretty much guaranteed to not happen I'd say. You don't really get Cinderellas hoisting World Cups. That shouldn't stop you from watching, although human rights maybe should.

But the US has improved their talent level significantly. The next World Cup is in North America and the US should have more talent and more mature talent. Pulisic and McKennie are basically the leaders and they're both only 24. The US has the potential to be really good next time.

The Maize Halo

November 9th, 2022 at 7:06 PM ^

Didn’t it seem a year or two ago, at the time, that we would all be way more excited for this team heading into the World Cup than we are when it is actually happening? What happened?

Zoltanrules

November 9th, 2022 at 10:26 PM ^

#1 is a big one as well. For all the time and money put into this team's formation, the recent play has been disappointing. Even today, Pulisic missed a relatively easy chance versus Man City.

Wales is a good opening draw ( their top two players are nowhere near healthy).

Qatar as host is a legit gripe too.

MaizeBlueA2

November 9th, 2022 at 7:11 PM ^

I saw a comment from Berhalter about the opportunity the US has in the next 4 years to bring soccer to the forefront in the US.

Of course as #DepthChartGuy, I immediately look to see who could be on that roster.

Obviously there will be guys on this squad, who may be in the typical age range, but they get passed up.

Goalkeepers: 1. Turner (32), 2. Horvath (31), 3. OPEN

Defenders: 4. Zimmerman (33), 5. Carter-Vickers (28), 6. Dest (26), 7. A. Robinson (29), 8. Scally (23),  9. OPEN, 10. OPEN, 11. OPEN, 12. OPEN

Midfielders: 13. McKinney (28), 14. Adams (27), 15. Reyna (23), 16. Musah (23), 17. de la Torre (28), 18. OPEN, 19. OPEN

Forwards: 20. Pulisic (28), 21. Weah (26), 22. Ferreira (25), 23. Sargent (26), 24. Aaronson (26), 25. OPEN, 26. OPEN

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That's (1) Goalkeeper spot, (4) Defender spots, (2) Midfielder spots, and (2) Forward spots that are open.

If you add the guys that were injured or on the cusp...

M. Robinson (29), Richards (26), Pepi (23). FYI, Pefok would be 30, not old, but leaving him out.

That's (1) Goalkeeper spot, (2) Defender spots, (2) Midfielder spots, and (1) Forward spot that are still open...as a bare minimum. There will of course be more.

Interesting that you could have a lot of guys who go through multiple cycles like Yedlin did this time. I'm sure there will be interest to stay in top form considering the '26 World Cup is in the US (primarily).

wolvemarine

November 9th, 2022 at 7:31 PM ^

I’ll take the negs for this…

Don’t watch this World Cup. The Qatari government is trash. And a lot of people were basically enslaved (… and not a few died…) to build the stadium infrastructure.

 I’ll always root for US soccer…but we shouldn’t be going to this tournament.

I Bleed Maize N Blue

November 9th, 2022 at 8:37 PM ^

No neg from me. I saw ESPN's E60: Qatar's World Cup. There's a repeat on ESPN2 Th night @ 11 PM, or check Watch ESPN. Jeremy Schaap made a follow-up visit to one 8 yrs ago. Qatar's made marginal improvements to the horrible working conditions back then, but it seemed like a lot of their claims don't match reality. A lot of bodies of young men, healthy when they left home, sent back with cause of death listed as "cardiac arrest or stroke." And not counted as work-related deaths, as only a few actually died at a workplace.

I think I'll watch the USMNT, but not any of the other games.

I Bleed Maize N Blue

November 10th, 2022 at 8:20 AM ^

Hello, sportswashing. Watch the E60 report. See Amnesty International's reports from 2016 and 10/2022 (and others inbetween). Qatar not only bribed their way to hosting a World Cup they don't deserve, they lied to workers about how much they'd earn to lure them in, tore up the contracts, confiscated passports, paid them less or not at all, had them working initially 17 hr days in extremely hot working conditions, with extremely poor living conditions. International scrutiny got them to make some reforms, often ignored. Many workers don't get paid in a timely fashion, and when there were protests, employers would surreptitiously revoke their work permits, so they were in the country illegally, and would get arrested, incarcerated, then deported, with no hope of getting back pay. Many healthy men were worked to death, their bodies sent back home with disingenuous causes of death like heart attack or stroke.

But, ooh, Drama! Competition!

I'm watching the USMNT to see how they do with an eye for 2026, but I'm not really excited about it.

smwilliams

November 9th, 2022 at 8:05 PM ^

I’ll do my best to break it down…

 

GK - Steffen is a bit of a surprise, but Turner was going to be the starter and rumors are that Steffen wasn’t pleased about that and said either I’m #1 or not going. Other than that, no complaints.

RB/LB - Moore over Cannon is a bit weird, but it’s not entirely shocking. As someone else mentioned, probably zero PT for Moore. But Dest and Jedi are your presumed starters. Like the Scally inclusion given how he’s played in Germany this year.

 

CB - Potential trouble spot which is crazy given where this position was a year ago. Robinson and Richards going down hurt them. I’m really glad Ream made the team. He has a natural partnership with Jedi even if he’s not the fleetest of foot. Long has been bad recently so a potential Long-Zimmerman duo has me worried.

MF - Adams is your starting 6 with Acosta as cover. It seems like Gregg is planning on playing Aaronson here which means it’s him, Musah, and McKennie for the bulk of the playing time. LDLT is coming back from injury so unlikely to see much time. I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY CRISTIAN ROLDAN CONTINUES TO MAKE THE USMNT.

FW - Guessing Puli at LW and Reyna at RW. Weah is a solid bench option and Morris is your hustle guy. Not sure who starts up top given that Sargent, Jesus, and Haji Wright are untested at best at this level. 
 

Strengths: US has a lot of dynamic guys in the midfield and on the wings. Puli, Gio, Weah, Aaronson, McKennie, Musah. That’s very, very solid even compared to some of the favorites. If Dest can get himself sorted, him and Jedi are solid at the back.

Weaknesses: Oof. I am not a fan of Long’s game and Zimmerman is fine, but not someone you want as your #1 CB. Striker remains the trouble spot as well. Goals are going to have to come from the wings or set pieces, because I don’t see any of the three strikers scoring a single goal unless it’s a tap-in or something. 

garde

November 10th, 2022 at 11:05 AM ^

I'm a casual follower of the USMNT under Berhalter because it's just too frustrating to watch his tactical approach and what I see as underutilizing the most gifted and skilled group of players ever on a USMNT team - albeit extremely young, but also with a shocking amount of European experience for their age. (Sorry for those of you who follow the team closely because I suspect you are all tired of hearing tactical complaints.)

BUT...our most talented players lie in our midfield and attack, even though we don't have a legit #9. It just seems that the best formation would be a 4-2-3-1 with the 1 (Pulisic) acting as a false 9 so he can drop back, run at defenders, and play combinations with Reyna. If the team needs hold up play later in the game, adjust the formation to put in a forward who can do so. 

The first choice back 4 is likely going to be the same each game, but they're clearly the team's weak link. Probably even more so with Berhalter's insistence of playing out of the back. As a casual observer, it seems every time I watch, the defense struggles mightily to play out of the back against pressing teams and they're able to double team Adams easily.

Adams- McKennie in the pivot. McKennie's great at late runs in to the box, but he's got be a box-to-box guy and track back on defense. 

Aaronson -Reyna- Weah 

Pulisic (False 9)

Musah's got to be first option off the bench unless there's a need to replace a position he can't play. 

Is there a reason why Berhalter seems to avoid the 4-2-3-1 and not play to the players strengths?

On a random note, as a long time AS Roma supporter, I've thought more than once, "Spaletti's 4-2-3-1 with Totti as a false 9 (during his first coaching stint there) would be a better tactical approach for this USMNT." (A healthy Reyna actually might be a better false 9 than Pulisic) The high pressing 4-2-3-1 that Pep used at Barca with Messi as a false #9 won't work for us because we just don't have that talent (does anyone?).

Anyway, in a tournament anything can happen, but I'm not confident the team advances out of the group despite Wales not being an "elite" team. Wales seems to play hard, together, and have a player in Bale who can win games out of nowhere. Not to mention, Wales knows this is their one WC shot to advance out of the group. They'll be hungrier than a younger US team, who in the back of their mind, is probably already thinking about 2026.

 

 

ken725

November 9th, 2022 at 11:57 PM ^

Gerg wants to build from the back but he calls up Long. CB is a liability.
 

I’m not a fan of the Morris call up but he is a try hard that will run his ass off and defend as a sub. 
 

No idea why Roldan is on this team. 

Needs

November 10th, 2022 at 8:53 AM ^

Think Roldan is there as a 26th guy because everyone in the locker room likes him, he makes training fun, and Berhalter's decided that team chemistry is important after seeing the team look miserable on the field in their last games.

That said, they can't play the way he wants to play with the CBs that are available. That was plainly apparent against Japan. Will be interesting to see if and how he adjusts. I think Aaronson being listed as a MF may indicate he's planning to play more of a 4-2-3-1, with McKinney or Aaronson playing more advanced and Musah pulled back to play alongside Adams, and then Pulisic and Weah/Reyna as on the flanks against Wales. (I think he likely reverts to 4-3-3 against England because the US won't have the ball as much.)