OT: Stupid Idiots plotting to overthrow the gov't get caught by FBI. [LOCKED]
There's no other way, really, to describe a bunch of stupid neckbeards gathering in a field to try and overthrow the Governor, then getting caught by the FBI trying to do it.
As smitten with the Mitten as we all are...these boys are dumb, and they should feel dumb.
[Locking this up. I just took a quick 3-minute scan thru 6 pages and it's obvious the thread had long-ago degenerated into mostly mud-slinging.]
October 8th, 2020 at 12:45 PM ^
Might be time to stop minimizing home-grown terrorist cells by calling them idiots.
Exactly. Look no further than Portland for a prime example.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:49 PM ^
You're right. All of those white nationalists riding into town in trucks, carrying guns, and shooting paint/pepper balls at protestors are terrorists as well. Especially the ones with the III% patches.
October 8th, 2020 at 1:31 PM ^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Peley, I missed the part where someone said that defacing buildings and setting them on fire was OK.
Just to be clear, we're talking about the goateed dipshits with camouflage baseball hats and big manly guns. We're not talking about the black bloc dipshits with spray paint and Bic lighters.
October 8th, 2020 at 6:07 PM ^
Please do reveal the evidence that you have that Portland protesters have been plotting kidnappings and/or killings. If you don't have it, you're just making crap up.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:45 PM ^
We also need to stop calling them "militias." They're gangs at best and terrorists at worst
October 8th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^
No no no.
Black people: Gangs
Brown people: Terrorists
White people: Militia
October 8th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
The fringe on both sides get way too much attention for their moronic activities. These losers deserve their fate and have to deal with the fact they are complete losers. However, the same applies to the Darth Vader hat wearing wannabes on the other side who are blinding cops, burning buildings and also causing havoc.
The solution is to round up all these idiots and put them on an island together and let them have at it. No room for them on either side.
October 8th, 2020 at 3:05 PM ^
Blinding cops?
The only people getting blinded in interactions with cops are the people cops are firing tear gas cannisters and rubber bullets at.
But please, do continue with the both sides bullshit.
October 8th, 2020 at 3:25 PM ^
Typical Liberal response. Guess the 3 cops who were blinded by lasers in Portland were just a Fox News fantasy!
October 8th, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
Yes, it is a fantasy.
Even Ken Cuccinelli testified to Ted Cruz that it was temporary. No permanent blindness. Unlike the journalists and protestors that cops shot and permanently blinded with rubber bullets and CS canisters.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/verify/verify-were-federal-agents-permanently-blinded-by-protestors/283-ef7d3a55-b853-42fb-a3ef-14c50154c1bb
October 8th, 2020 at 5:38 PM ^
“We’ve had a number of officers who have days-long blindness. So far they’ve all kind of come back, if you will," Cuccinelli said during a Senate hearing last month. "You also get what’s called flash blindness, think of it as the old Kodak cameras where you’d get that blue spot and you can’t quite see your entire field of vision for a period of time."
Looks like it was indeed a fox news fantasy. How about that?
October 8th, 2020 at 4:32 PM ^
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
October 8th, 2020 at 5:56 PM ^
Good point. We do tend to treat these as cases of idiocy instead of what they are. I'm just glad these guys aren't evil geniuses.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:24 PM ^
No offense, but This might be better suited for Facebook or Twitter rather than the our football blog
October 8th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
This isn't going to last long because "PATRIOTISM!!!!"
October 8th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
Everybody knows Facebook and Twitter are where you get fake news. This is where you come to get your real news.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:55 PM ^
That's so true. After all, everyone knows this board and blog writers are not at all biased, and are very open-minded people. It's basically the beacon of objectivism for the internet!
Edit: I'm just being cheeky guys...
October 8th, 2020 at 1:07 PM ^
Bias is a noun. You're looking for the adjective form, biased.
October 8th, 2020 at 1:58 PM ^
You're right! I swear I typed it right, probably fat fingered and got autocorrected by my phone. Good catch.
Also, Ash vs Evil Dead is possibly my all-time favorite show. Love the movies as well, never get tired of watching them.
October 8th, 2020 at 1:33 PM ^
No football, so OT season
October 8th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^
Honestly, the first thing I thought about when I heard the news was wondering if any mgobloggers were involved. There were a lot of very loud, angry voices on here about Whitmer in May and June, specifically with regards to gym closings, which seems to have been a primary motivation in the anger of the accused.
So I think it's relevant.
October 8th, 2020 at 3:39 PM ^
I was no where near Grand Rapids and you can't prove I was. I have never been a member of the Wolverine Watchmen either.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:25 PM ^
Charged in the U.S. District Court in the western district of Michigan are: Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, and Brandon Caserta, according to a criminal complaint. They are charged with conspiracy to commit kidnapping, according to the complaint.
So in other words, this plot was brought to you by Fox & Friends.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
Sounds like this was all happening about the time a certain national politician was shouting "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" on their social media account.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
You sly dog.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:28 PM ^
Who will talk all about how the "Deep State" entrapped these poor, innocent Patriots.
A sharpie waits to sign their pardons.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:32 PM ^
How did you get past this line? I mean, cummong...
We owe are thanks to the men and women
October 8th, 2020 at 12:53 PM ^
"conspiracy to commit kidnapping" is the only charge? You'd think there'd be something more serious for conspiring to kidnap a governor
October 8th, 2020 at 12:59 PM ^
They needed a charge to hold the conspirators. I would guess more are probably coming soon.
October 8th, 2020 at 1:17 PM ^
I know treason is more on a national level, but this seems like state level treason
October 8th, 2020 at 2:02 PM ^
I read that the state AG is going to be filing charges as well.
October 8th, 2020 at 2:49 PM ^
Plus they will likely take these mofo’s out one at a time, adding more charges as they move up the chain of command.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
Doing multiple stakeouts of someone's vacation home and plotting how you'd take her to a remote place in Wisconsin to "stand trial" doesn't sound like something a bunch of "idiots" would do as much as "homegrown terrorists foiled by the FBI". That goes beyond simply talking on FB, and we need to stop minimizing this type of behavior with what is effectively "boys will be boys" responses. An idiot is Plaxico Burress shooting himself in the leg with his own gun at a club; this was a conspiracy to kidnap and possibly murder a governor because you don't like how she does her job.
October 8th, 2020 at 12:31 PM ^
I would offer one caveat. I doubt this has much to do with how she does her job, as I doubt these men actually know what she does or how the state government works.
What is more likely is that they were radicalized by a combination of far-right websites, facebook memes, and Fox/OAN.
October 8th, 2020 at 2:44 PM ^
You're blaming this on FB memes and Fox News? Wow.
October 8th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^
I'm assigning partial blame where it belongs. Fox News, especially in prime time, is a vector for the spreading of white nationalist talking points. All you have to do is read any scholarly work on what Tucker Carlson's show is about. And yes, obviously facebook is a point of dissemination for white nationalism and blood-libel conspiracies like Q.
October 8th, 2020 at 3:13 PM ^
Watched Fox News for the first time ever directly following yesterday's debate.
Their coverage directly following the debate was, in my opinion, very good. However, at 11p, Hannity came on and HOLY SHIT. Complete propaganda.
MFun
October 8th, 2020 at 5:57 PM ^
Sure, just tell that to Antifa folks because they act exactly like fascists.
Walks like a duck....
They need a new name I guess.
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sharklover
October 8th, 2020 at 6:03 PM ^
Just regurgitate all the crap that Fox news tells you
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MFun
October 8th, 2020 at 6:07 PM ^
Not sure what you were watching all summer but I, and most everybody else, saw and sees far-left violence all over the place, militant blm violence and threats of violence, intimidation etc.
A tiny fraction of the violence can be attributed to far-right lunatics. Just a fact man.
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sharklover
October 8th, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^
I live and work in downtown Portland. I walk through protests all the time. Protesters aren't committing acts of violence. The police attack protesters without provocation on a nightly basis. Occasionally proud boys and people in trucks attack protesters. I never see protesters committing acts of violence.
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MFun
October 8th, 2020 at 6:44 PM ^
It was on the tele every night. Burning, looting, smashing windows, targeting police with projectiles, fireworks used as weapons, and yes, shootings and death. So sounds like you were with the peaceful protestors. :|
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LDNfan
October 8th, 2020 at 7:28 PM ^
My god use your brain...'it was on the tele' is one of the lamest reasons to believe anything in this day and age. That's not much better than 'I saw it on the internet'...or 'the President said it'.
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sharklover
October 8th, 2020 at 9:00 PM ^
You're lumping a whole lot of different things together. All of the things that you have listed have happened at one time or another. I roundly condemn property destruction and acts of violence. I also am upset that protesters that do not engage in acts of violence attempt to shield those that do from arrest.
There have also been massive demonstrations consisting of thousands of people when none of the things that you listed have occurred.
The police have also indiscriminately targeted protesters and non protesters alike with the use of violent tactics and chemical agents on nights when none of the things that you have listed have occurred.
To be clear, I do not engage in protests and do not support the goals of the protesters, let alone their tactics. But it is outrageous and disingenuous to call them terrorists.
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mooseman
October 8th, 2020 at 10:01 PM ^
You need to change the channel.
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MFun
October 8th, 2020 at 6:22 PM ^
I don't think most of BLM are terrorists either but they certainly have an agenda well beyond making things better for black folks.
Defunding police, reparations, and full on socialism......
It's the same nonsense that has come before about this notion that everyone needs to start at the same starting line in life. It's just not reality but some people still want to try to make it happen by telling everyone what they can and cannot do, what they can and cannot have. Controlling the people by controlling their bank accounts essentially. Redistribute the money to everyone equally. That's what it comes down to when you strip away all the BS.
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MJG
October 8th, 2020 at 7:37 PM ^
That’s absolutely not what it comes down to. You’re simply ill-informed.
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Arb lover
October 8th, 2020 at 6:48 PM ^
And most people in Michigan on the even far right who oppose any sort of lockdown don't condone wacky "lets kidnap the GOV". I know this even from my far left perch.
Dare I say there are good people on both sides of the spectrum. (and if you don't believe me there were 2 of these far right people who acted as inside informants because violence isn't the answer).
Get out and VOTE.
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umumum
October 8th, 2020 at 9:13 PM ^
Weird that the FBI doesn't consider Antifa a terrorist group. But then again, Trump appointee Chris Wray is probably in Antifa, I guess.
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