OT: So... Shohei Ohtani is good at baseball after all

Submitted by Occam's Razor on

Hit his 3rd homer in his 3rd straight game tonight. 

Pitches Sunday against the As. 

If this kid wins 15 games with an ERA around 3 and bats .280 hitting 20 HRs, is that MVP worthy? 

Kid is making those spring training haters eat their words and well, is really exciting to watch! 

 

speakeasy

April 7th, 2018 at 9:45 AM ^

This is reductio ad absurdum. The stats guys will argue until the end of time about which player is better at this, or that, or overall based on increasingly esoteric metrics that 99.9% DGAF about. But the origin of stat mania was moneyball and they, in fact, tried to earn as many team wins as possible, and did a pretty good job of succeeding. 

jbrandimore

April 7th, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^

The moneyball A’s is they were really identifying market inefficiencies with respect to payroll vs expected wins. In particular, they were a bit ahead of the curve in valuing OBP over BA. We might say this made them pioneers, yet doesn’t every ten year old in little league know that “a walk is as good as a hit?”

speakeasy

April 7th, 2018 at 10:17 AM ^

I guess every little leaguer might know that, but it's missing the point. (and you can make a similar claim about innovation in any field of thought...of course the chinese figured out how to make gunpowder, you just have to mix this and that. Of course geometry makes sense, Pythagoras was just codifying the obvious)

The A's were using that inefficiency to generate team wins, a notion you dismissed as passe in the mind of the Billy Beans of the world. All stats, be it OBP v BA, wins vs OPS-against, or any other stat or comparison between stats you want to use is about identifying those inefficiencies in an effort to win more games.

Gameboy

April 7th, 2018 at 1:33 PM ^

You have no clue how WAR is calculated... WAR = (Batting Runs + Base Running Runs +Fielding Runs + Positional Adjustment + League Adjustment +Replacement Runs) / (Runs Per Win) You can be a player on a team that loses every game and have a positive WAR.

jbrandimore

April 7th, 2018 at 3:02 PM ^

The fact is stats like WAR value a 3 run homer in a game that is 17-4 hit off Andrew Romine exactly as much as a 3 run homer hit in the 9th to overcome a 2-0 deficit against Chris Sale. Stats guys do not believe in context.

speakeasy

April 7th, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^

What do you think teams are paying their stat folks to do, exactly? Write academic papers on some derivative of WAR?

Stat guys MAY argue that a team with a lesser record is statistically "better" than a team with more wins, but statistical betterness does't win divisions. And no GM on earth is searching for the hollow victory of superiority in advanced stats.

BroadneckBlue21

April 7th, 2018 at 2:58 PM ^

It is the very definition of slippery slope. Because x does 1, you believe something 23 down the line will happen. There is no direct correlation between your belief and actual effects. See: Sashi Brown with Browns. His use of stats neither revolutionized nor stopped the league from further revolutionary attempts. In the end, he simply had a job that didn’t work out. The NFL is still chugging.

PaulWall

April 7th, 2018 at 9:30 AM ^

10-15 wins and 20 hr is pretty significant. especially in inter league games and possible world series. the uses for a good pitcher that can hit is a nightmare for opposing teams. now it's not just a strike out or bunt, it's legit damage control late in the game when he comes up.

InterlopingYooper

April 7th, 2018 at 8:28 AM ^

But did anyone get a glimpse of his WAR WHIP? How did his LIPS compare to Greg Maddox? Did his FIP flop under pressure? Did we ever really know Jack Morris at all? Come on folks, put down the beer and pick up your abacus. MB/9 isn’t a street gang, PI/P isn’t one of Gladys Knight’s backup singers and IR-A% isn’t a measure of how often Sam Webb lets his sidekick talk. If you really want to enjoy baseball, you have to grind it out like you did back in your high school math class.

Marvin

April 7th, 2018 at 9:35 AM ^

How about this: Pitcher A wins 17 games and has a 4.21 ERA Pitcher B wins 11 games and has a 2.31 ERA Both throw the same number of innings but pitcher B supports Donald Trump. Pitcher A does not. Who do you go with?

BroadneckBlue21

April 7th, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^

Where the two players on the same team? What was the rotation order? What was average offensive output for each pitcher’s starts? Did one pitch in AL? Did both? Politics aside, are you trying to win a game? Unlike white owners afraid to pick up Kaepernick or other black protestors, I’d pitch the guy who wins despite politics. And I’d be honest to say: Trump is a loser as a person and has been for the entirety of his public life—not because he’s a Republican. Trump is judged by himself first, and is about as disgusting a person there is, but guilt by association is a fallacy. I’m paying the player to win a game.

KTisClutch

April 7th, 2018 at 11:37 AM ^

He looked very bad in Spring Training, so bad that some scouts were saying he is not major league ready as a hitter. So we shall see how he does after teams get some tendencies, I hope he can adjust because I am definitely rooting for the guy. It's such a cool story, but way too early for potential MVP talk. 

ST3

April 7th, 2018 at 12:34 PM ^

They have the best hitter of the previous decade (Pujols,) the best current player (Trout,) and possibly the best player of the next decade (Ohtani.) After being a boring team to root for, suddenly they are the talk of baseball. Cozart may be the sneaky good acquisition that puts them over the top. Simmons is a great defensive SS. Kinsler provides veteran leadership and offense at 2B, something that has been lacking. And Upton provides protection for Trout. They need to pitch, but Ohtani helps there too. What is the better fantasy team name? "The Say 'Hei Kid" or "Ohtani Boy?" I like the latter.