OT: SIAP I swear I checked...Could OK State Appeal?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oklahoma-state-stunned-by-central-michigan-…
I swear I checked to see if anyone else had posed the question and didn't find anything. If I missed it, neg away and I'll never create another thread again.
What, if any options would Oklahoma State have to appeal the result of the game against CMU this past weekend? If the play never should have happened, and the clock read 0:00, why cant Oklahoma State just mark it down as a W? Why wouldn't the NCAA allow such an egregious error be corrected?
September 12th, 2016 at 10:12 PM ^
I agree. Why was there not somebody on the OSU staff who knew the rule and threw a fit? With all the money paid for coaching and support staff, shouldn't there be somebody tasked with knowing the rule book backwards and forwards? Have that person stand near the head coach with a copy of the rule book and voiciferously intervene when the officials make an error like this.
September 12th, 2016 at 12:54 PM ^
the good news for the cowboys is that if that happened to run the table or even lose one more but win the Big 12, the CFP committee might overlook the CMU loss as a second loss because of the mistake. Whether or not they overlook the close game to a MAC school, or whether or not OSU can actually win the rest of their games after the way they played this weekend, remains to be seen.
Also, just say SIAP and be done with it. Including that in the title is dumb.
September 12th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^
The committee can just wipe away the result. The loss is a loss. There would be a complete uproar if a situation happened that OK State got in with 2 losses and had a non-conference L "overlooked" because of a botched decision. Could you imagine how pissed off a more deserving team would be??
September 12th, 2016 at 1:10 PM ^
I think that's my point. The committee can look at another team and deem them as not a more deserving team if they know that OSU should not have lost this game. They aren't trapped in a box like the computers were to only look at the W-L results of this game.
Using that example, if OSU wins the Big 12 with 2 losses on the season, and Stanford wins the Pac 12 with 2 losses on the season, the committee can reasonably say that OSU is effectively a 1 loss team even though the record doesn't show it, and put them in over Stanford.
Of course all of that is relative and hypothetical. Stanford could have lost to two considerably better teams than CMU, and thus be put in over OSU in that scenario, but the committee gets to weigh their options more here, which bodes well for OSU I would think.
September 12th, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^
September 12th, 2016 at 12:57 PM ^
They should have never let it come down to a last second play. At home, and you barely beat them the year before, don't let the officials decide it.
September 12th, 2016 at 1:06 PM ^
GA was favored by 53 against Nichols St. Just throwing that out there.
Ok St. could have ended this game on their hail mary attempt had they actually had a WR run a go route or just have the QB get outside the tackle box. If the play design had either of these two facets in it, there would have been no intentional grounding.
September 12th, 2016 at 3:13 PM ^
Mike Gundy claimed that he never thought of either of these two suggestions you gave in your post. I have to question what he was thinking. Having 10 guys stand at the line of scrimmage and the QB just heave the ball downfield is the definition of a penalty. None of the other players or coaches realized this fact and questioned his decision? I get that the penalty shouldn't have resulted in an untimed down, but I find it odd that he would leave it up to the officials to decipher a little known rule. I wonder if he knew the rule immediately.
September 12th, 2016 at 3:23 PM ^
If he knew the rule, there would have been little chance the refs wouldn't have learned of it before giving CMU an untimed down, right?
September 12th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^
Even if they're clearly wrong, your don't want to set the precedent of changing the outcome of a game due to officiating mistakes. That's a slippery slope that doesn't end well. They clearly need to leave the outcome as called on the field.
September 12th, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^
The rules are clear... OK State should have won. The Chips shouldn't have gotten an untimed down. But there's no appeal, and OK State just has to suck it. Got it. Understood. Loud and clear.
But wasn't the way the game decided the way we want all games to end? If the referees had called it correctly, the game would have ended with OK State intentionally running a play that the rules also determine to be illegal, and therefore worthy of a punishment--except at the end of the game (where it arguably could matter the most)? I understand that the rule is clear on this, and that my question has no bearing on what should happen regarding the result of Saturday's game. But if a team attempts to exploit the rules to obtain an advantage at the end of the game, and the play results in a loss of down on fourth down, the other team should get a chance to make them pay--which the Chips did here.
So while the rules were not correctly applied in this case, we still got the 'right' outcome.
September 12th, 2016 at 1:27 PM ^
Clear, and stupid. And should be changed.
Totally agree with the main body of your post though.
Fin.
September 12th, 2016 at 1:30 PM ^
Ask Bo how he felt about people changing their minds to send the wrong team to the Rose Bowl back in 1973 after the fact.
September 12th, 2016 at 1:33 PM ^
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September 12th, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^
September 12th, 2016 at 2:59 PM ^
In fact, the only reason this discussion is going on and the officials were suspended was because a miracle happened and the play resulted in a touchdown.
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September 12th, 2016 at 5:06 PM ^
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September 12th, 2016 at 2:02 PM ^
But this is how sports work. Missouri lost on a 5th down in 1990. Should that be appealed, too? What about stuff that's one-off the officials...like Clockgate? These things should be remembered to guide the future, but sometimes shit happens.
September 12th, 2016 at 2:42 PM ^
1990 was the first year you could spike the ball to stop the clock in college football. So players and fans didn't notice that Colorado spiked the ball on 4th down and scored the game winning touchdown on 5th & goal. Still, even with that being a new rule at the time, the refs should have known what to do and they fucked things up anyway.
What happened in the Oklahoma State/Central game should NOT be happening in 2016.
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September 12th, 2016 at 9:21 PM ^
September 12th, 2016 at 5:38 PM ^
after Colorado spiked the ball at the Missouri one on their (correctly observed) 4th down.
So an overturn would involve not knowing the outcome of Missouri snapping the ball from their own one. If there is any such unknown, then I don't think the conditions for an overturn exist. Especially from their own one where it's not hard to imagine a fumbled snap and a recovery in the endzone by Colorado.
Very rarely are the conditions for an appeal as clean as the Okla St/CMU circumstances.
September 12th, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^
September 12th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^
Maybe we can get the outcome finally changed from the Spartan Bob game back in 2001.
September 12th, 2016 at 2:32 PM ^
CMU may potentially be 3-0 headed into Virginia. It's entirely possible they will be a road favorite.
How ridiculous is that? Is this bizarro world?
September 12th, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^
September 12th, 2016 at 2:44 PM ^
The solution here is for OSU to claim it as a victory and list the score as what it was before the last play. They can do that in all of their materials forever, whether the NCAA likes it or not, just like schools claim pretty implausible national championships to pad their totals. CMU will list it as a victory, but that doesn't mean OSU has to recognize it.
This is very similar to our game against MSU last year, which we won 23-21, because stupid plays by Australian punters who don't know when to stop trying to punt don't actually count.
September 13th, 2016 at 7:02 AM ^
...is that Michigan/Oberlin game from '92 that both schools claim as a win because they don't agree on when the game ended.
It's why we have officials now, and why what they say goes.
September 12th, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^
September 12th, 2016 at 3:29 PM ^
Was surprised not to see any conjecture in this thread on what the effect of an appeal system would have on sports betting. Like what would happen if OSU got the outcome of the game changed somehow and all those (probably tens of people) that bet on CMU to win straight up had their winnings snatched away?
September 12th, 2016 at 4:30 PM ^
September 12th, 2016 at 3:34 PM ^
OK State made last cup. CMU got their rebuttal and somehow sunk both balls in the last cup (before OK State could pull). No rebuttal. Game, Chips.
September 12th, 2016 at 4:21 PM ^
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September 12th, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^
You can only do that for national titles.
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