OT: Pistons talking Jackson for Rubio
In the early stage, but this definitely has more merit to it than the Paul George deal.
Would involve some other pieces, but the centerpiece of Jackson/Rubio.
I like Ricky's game, but damnit he can't hit the broad side of a barn.
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2017/01/report_pistons_discussin…
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/wrecks thread
/shows self the door
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January 20th, 2017 at 11:20 PM ^
Don't say anything about the inauguration. You'll get the wrath of god brought down.
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at all. He can pass but the Pistons really need a Kyle Korver type who can be a gravitational pull for the defense to open up the Reggie/Dre PnR
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Muhammad is supposedly the other piece that needs to be added.
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I would do anything to get Minnesota's 1st round pick. For instance Reggie plus KCP for Rubio and their 1st would be beautiful. Would give us two 1st round lotto picks in an absolutely loaded draft.
Rubio as a player, atrocious field goal percentages from 2 and 3, but nice assist to turnover ratio and hopefully Stan can mold him. Problem is the SVG system is better suited for a scoring PG. At 26 it is getting a little late for him in NBA years to reach his apex, by 27-28 you pretty much are who you are.
I would only be interested in making a deal in a package that obtains their first round pick, and I'm willing to give up anyone not named Andre Drummond.
January 20th, 2017 at 10:38 PM ^
sounds awesome, but I don't think Minny would be down, even though I think their starting lineup of Reggie-Lavine-Wiggins-Dieng-KAT with KCP, Dunn, and Shabazz is pretty good. However, if Minny keeps up their current record, they'd have a shot at one of the top 5 players in the upcoming draft (Fultz, Smith, Ball, Tatum, Jackson), all of whom would immediately make their future even brighter than it already is. For Detroit, thats a great deal, espeically because this group of players doesn't seem to be working, but for Minny they probably prefer the latter scenario since they are apparently sold on the potential of Dunn.
January 21st, 2017 at 12:47 AM ^
That deal...doesnt sound awesome. Reggie and KCP?
January 21st, 2017 at 12:56 AM ^
the Pistons don't have to pay KCP like he's Klay Thompson and lose the rest of Reggie's contract for someone who is not quite as good but only has 2 years on their contract left. I love KCP, but I think I'd rather take a chance to see if I could get a top 5 pick in this year's draft, I think Fultz is incredible and the other guys have enough potential to become superstars. The way the team is currently constructed, Drummond has to become young Dwight Howard 2.0 and he's simply not a good enough defender for that to be realistic. On top of that, they need better shooters at every other position to compete in the modern NBA, and I don't think any of the guys they have now will be able to raise their percentage enough to be worth keeping. I was excited about the team after last season, but times have already changed so much. If your team doesn't have a superstar, you need to play lockdown defense like Utah, but the Pistons don't seem to be capable of doing so.
January 21st, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^
Exactly, right now the team's ceiling is probably 1st round exit in the playoffs. The trade makes us worse in the short term, but gives us 2 lotto picks and a shot at a higher ceiling long term.
You get out of giving KCP a huge deal, and if Rubio doesn't pan out he's off the books in 2 years.
It's a drastic move but I think it's pretty clear this team really doesn't have any potential to contend for a title as currently constructed, so why not roll the dice.
January 21st, 2017 at 1:08 PM ^
The deal really only makes sense from them if they are trying to win now. With a loaded draft they probably look to keep the pick, but personally I'm only doing a deal with them if they include it.
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Id be happy just to get Reggie and his contract off this team. I don't really care who we get in return. Reggie plays no defense, bogs the offense down by holding the ball too long, takes horrible shots, & spends at least half of every game pouting and whining.
This team was playing better ball with the combo of Ish and Udrih at PG. That right there is very telling. Give us Rubio. Give us anyone. Just go away Reggie.
January 20th, 2017 at 10:31 PM ^
With Reggie, but that's not his type of PG. He needs someone that can distribute the ball, Reggie's not.
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January 20th, 2017 at 10:38 PM ^
I'm not sure if this roster has enough shooters to pardon Ricky's sub .400 as a starter.
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You're right, this certainly would not help the spacing issue as Rubio shoots even worse than Reggie. But at the end of the day this may be a situation of addition by subtraction. I think Reggie has lost the confidence of his teammates and just doesn't play winning basketball.
Not to mention we still owe him just about 60 million over the next 3 years. This season is pretty much a wash. Yes the Pistons could still get in the playoffs as a 7-8 seed but I think planning towards next year, and beyond, is the smart move; even if it is at the expense of the remainder of this season.
January 20th, 2017 at 11:21 PM ^
It's largely a lateral move. They're even the same age. Rubio is better defensively and more of a floor general and it seems that Reggie is wearing out his welcome on another team (Thunder being the first).
Van Gundy has had his best seasons with Shaq and Dwight Howard at C; as long as Drummond is rebounding at a league leading clip, he's prototype.
We need better shooters and going into the season I was praying that it'd come from KCP.
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January 20th, 2017 at 11:40 PM ^
is shooting 40% from 3 pt for the season? He has been their best player this season.
January 20th, 2017 at 11:58 PM ^
I was hoping, months ago, that KCP would make a jump. There was no assertion or judgment made after that.
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January 21st, 2017 at 12:59 AM ^
if it's not the Pistons, then someone will because SG market sucks and KCP would be one of the better SG FA option in the market. He gives them 3 and D which is valuable.
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and still put up points on the other end. Considering on the whole roster playing this season, KCP has been the best player on the team this season.
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January 21st, 2017 at 12:51 AM ^
Except that Rubio is a much better defender, younger, and a lot worse at shooting. but otherwise the same.
January 20th, 2017 at 10:55 PM ^
Where a change for change's sake is a good thing. This team and product is just so stale. It would be nice to get some fresh blood in the system and maybe he can offer some unique ability to this team.
January 20th, 2017 at 10:59 PM ^
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January 20th, 2017 at 11:03 PM ^
What's the difference who's doing it?
January 20th, 2017 at 11:06 PM ^
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January 20th, 2017 at 11:08 PM ^
The team around him has been nothing short of garbage for his whole career.
Quite honestly, I think his style just doesn't fit what Stan does. If some crap organization needs a guy who can go out and be super flashy, that's Reggie. He does a lot of spectacular stuff, but he's also a me-first PG.
Change of scenery can really help some players' careers. May be the case for Rubio. This organization is just so incredibly stale and it needs to be shaken up. Personally, I want them to suck big time to get a top 5 pick, but that will never happen.