OT: Origin of "Catholics vs Convicts" for ND-Miami

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Intetesting article posted on SBNation (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/28/13419668/miami-notr…).  I'm not surprised that this was started by th ND students, but the end mentions that 

"The two teams agreed to drop the rivalry after 1990, with Notre Dame officials feeling the series was too heated to continue."

Another rivalry game that was ended by ND for ______ reasons, only to later be resumed.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Miami and Richt put up some gawdy numbers on them.

To hell with Notre Dame!

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Toasted Yosties

October 28th, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^

I just can't fathom wanting to play for him. They have a lot to offer as a program, but knowing you have to see that guy everyday? To know that he will chew you out on the sideline, ask if you're fucking stupid after making a mistake? Seeing Harbaugh embrace Speight after his first INT this year was wonderful. You can see who is looking out for who.

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1974

October 28th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^

This wouldn't explain all of his recruits, but some people are *apeshit* about private schools. It might be because the kid had that from K-12, it might be because they're from an area where public schools are horrible ... whatever the reason, I'm sure that's partly why ND can recruit well with an a$$ of a coach.

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jmblue

October 28th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^

Catholic high schools, especially in the Midwest, remain strong feeders for ND.  You won't find a ton of ND fans going to Pioneer or Huron but there are some at Catholic Central and Gabriel Richard.

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WestQuad

October 28th, 2016 at 12:21 PM ^

I know several people who either played for Kelly or know people who coached with Kelly at GVSU and from the first day he came up for the job at ND, they all said that he was an absolute jerk and that Michigan should be glad he went to ND instead of Michigan.  It's funny how people are eventually revealed to everyone.

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4yearsofhoke

October 28th, 2016 at 12:50 PM ^

Without trying to out the person, but I talked to a former player of BK (at CMU) when he was hired at ND. The player said only positive things about him, and the guy made the NFL. I don't think I'd want to play for BK, but there's different styles of coaching etc...

Love your username. Lived in WQ my frosh year...

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xtramelanin

October 28th, 2016 at 11:18 AM ^

for those of us old enough to remember miami (YTM) back in the day, they were the epitomy of thug-life football, and the opposite of our friends at michigan.  back in the day (long before 9-11), i used to say i'd root for iraq to beat miami, 'take the muslims and the points!'.   for all of ND"s foibles, it was then and is still a real school whose athletes by and large are reasonable students and people on and off the field. 

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xtramelanin

October 28th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^

absolutely no rules, no limits, players-gone-wild.

ND is still our rival if they get the gumption to play us, but the point is that in the late '80's and early '90's when that phrase came up, choosing who to root for was easy. 

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xtramelanin

October 28th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^

of the miami and oklahoma programs that i reference.   i contrast that with our own team which was for the most part, very well behaved.  not angels, but not raping, pillaging, selling dope and guns, and our guys were actually attending classes.

and as it relates to the iraq war, that refers to the first one, when iraq invaded kuwait without provocation in 1990 and the world, lead by us, kicked them out.   it was not a reference to post 9-11 issues and aggressions, which are a very legitimate debate, but not to debate on this board. 

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micheal honcho

October 28th, 2016 at 2:33 PM ^

But you don't mean to imply that their standards, in any way, applied to the Blades brothers or Irvin etc. ? They were the first IMO to just say fuck it. They don't come here to play school and not even try to hide or downplay it. Before the U were the crappy students playing CFB? Sure were. Did they openly advertise it? I think not. I once read that thru the Howard/Jimmy/Dennis years they bragged that not once was a player on academic probation. Then they would chuckle that the tutors would be in deep shit if the athletes work was late. It's a way of life now throughout CFB but it started with the U.



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Formerly Yoda

October 28th, 2016 at 12:49 PM ^

i guess you kind of explained this, and while trying not to delve into the political realm i would question what iraq had to do with 9-11, and also why your feelings towards muslims would change post 9-11. 

this is not intended to flame

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xtramelanin

October 28th, 2016 at 1:22 PM ^

and not responding to flame either.   the 'muslim' designation was only relevant back then as they would be replacing the 'catholic' religion designation of ND playing miami from which this entire thread originated.  no disparagement intended of either faith.   

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micheal honcho

October 28th, 2016 at 12:16 PM ^

Agreed. As entertaining as it could be at times, those of us old enough to see the impact of what was happening, while it was happening, had deep concerns for college football. Schnellenburg was opening a can that the lid could never be put back on. However you want to look at it. Before the U, academics were at least given symbolic importance as a part of the deal. Howard threw that right out the window. He opened the doors of the penitentiary and let them run wild. Kids that couldn't spell phone without using an F were now "student athletes". They didn't even have to go to class, a tradition that Jimmy was more than willing to embrace. They( Miami) started an arms race in CFB that forced all the other institutions to comply(fake students) or die. The SEC of today was born from the U IMHO.



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CRISPed in the DIAG

October 28th, 2016 at 11:56 AM ^

I watched most of this series on youtube over the summer while jonesing for football. I'm pretty sure it was intense for a game or two -- tops.  Miami molllywhockered the Fighthins in 84, 85, (no game in 86), 87 and 89.  

ND won the classic that everyone remembers in 88 and an uneventful game in 90. *shrugs*

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doggdetroit

October 28th, 2016 at 11:49 AM ^

The interesting thing about the Catholics vs. Convicts rivalry is that you didn't really know what team was the Convicts.

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