OT: Netflix - What are you watching?
I just finished The Innocent Man and am ready to binge watch another show. I have enjoyed the Bundy series, Atypical, and Making a Murderer. Abducted in Plain Sight is seriously messed up. What series/ documentaries should I start?
Lorena Bobbitt.
She was in a horrible accident about a week ago and is in critical condition.
Apparently, she got cut off by some dick...
Justifying mutilating another human for any reason is a real stretch. Try justifying that if the roles were reversed.
“So we want to make this movie about this guy that mutilated his wife. She kinda had it coming because she was really physically and mentally abusive”
Amy a documentary on Amy Winehouse. Good stuff
Russian Doll is decent, and short. Ozark is one of my favorite shows of all time if you haven't watched that already. All of the Black Mirror episodes are great as well
Wish season 5 of Black Mirror would be out soon. I was initially under the impression is going to be released shortly after the holidays but I must have been getting mixed up with Bandersnatch the whole time
Just started on Russian Doll and thought the first episode was interesting enough. I’ll see where it goes.
Ozark is really good. I always thought Jason Bateman was an underrated actor.
I love how sardonic he is in the show. He's a great actor
The Flat Earther doc is pretty interesting ("Behind the Curve"). Part of it focuses on why people are drawn to these conspiracies like flat Earth and anti-vacination -- it's about being part of a social group, not so much about facts and science. The social media groups, videos, podcasts, conventions, etc give them something to belong to. A lot of the people they interview that follow the flat Earth belief seems to be genuinely nice people, but a lot of them seem really lonely. There are a couple of straight up crazy people though.
I am not going to get into it, but the "anti-vaccination" crowd is so extremely incomparable to the "flat-earth" conspiracy theorists. One involves the fear of putting your child in danger while the other is.... well I havent figured that one out yet. Probably what you were describing it as.
They're not that different. Both are based on conspiracy theories utterly defied by scientific consensus.
Like I said, I don't really want to get into it, but I want to explain a bit more of what I meant. At least with the anti-vacc crowd, it is about more than being a part of a "social club." That is what I was mostly referring to. I understand the "does not follow science" point. Difficult to argue against that point for the most part. It strictly has, at least for most people that I am aware of, everything to do with the health of your child and those concerns. The extremists and most vocal? Yes, I can probably see that point regarding the social atmosphere, but that was where my language of being "completely unrelated" came from. Maybe "completely" wasnt necessary. But to me it's different.
And also part of the "social environment" stems from the fact that most of those people have kids who they believe were "vaccine-injured," which naturally creates a social bond due to similar tragic experiences. Whether its autism, SIDS, etc., it does create a sense of bond and desperation as well as the need to "seek answers" which can lend itself to more of a social group.
Anyway, I guess as someone who has both known people who have gone through things with their kids as well as have listened to many stories/tragedies that have led to their respective anti-vaccine stances, it just seems to lack a bit of sensitivity to roll those individuals into the "flat-earthers" group. But I understand the correlation there.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm a staunch anti-anti-vaxxer in fact, and I think they're putting their children and others at unnecessary risk but do we have incontrovertible proof that vaccinations DO NOT cause any harm? I feel like the science is such that there is no evidence that they do cause harm but not that they definitively DO NOT have any unintended consequences.
In contrast, there is a mountain of indisputable evidence that the earth is not flat, that it is spherical. It's not that we lack proof that it's flat, like we lack proof that vaccines cause harm. But we KNOW the earth is not flat. And I didn't think we know for certain vaccines don't cause some sort of harm.
Unfortunately, this leaves the door open for paranoid anti-vaxxers to convince themselves that they do cause harm despite no evidence suggesting as much.
But with Science, you record data, make observations, tests, theories, and then you make an informed decision. You can't just say that something is true because there's no evidence to prove it absolutely wrong. There are millions (if not billions) of people who received vaccines that have lived long and healthy lives. A small percentage of infants have health problems. You could say, "you can't prove that the vaccinations didn't cause the issues". Ok, but I could also say that you can't prove that hospital blankets didn't cause those issues, or that hospital light bulbs didn't cause it, or emissions from vehicles in the air didn't cause it. You could pick virtually anything and say that "you can't prove x didn't cause y". What you can prove, is that millions (or billions) of people have received vaccinations for polio, measles, etc and have lived healthy lives. I'm sorry for those who have dealt with sick infants, and I can understand how someone would be searching for a reason after something like that happens.
Except we do know that vaccines can cause harm. You dont have to be an "anti-vaxxer" to recognize that. The U.S. government runs the National Vaccine Injury Compensation program to compensate families for vaccine-related injuries that occur every year. The NVICP was created in the 80s to shield pharma companies from vaccine related lawsuits by diverting vaccine injury claims to a special court.
The NVICP publishes yearly data compiling the number of claims and the total payments for every major vaccine. You can find the most recent version here:
The data pretty conclusively shows that significant injuries from vaccines do occur, but they are extremely rare: Since the start of the program in 1989, the court has compensated 6,356 claimants. With over 3 billion doses of vaccine issued every year, that means major injuries are an incredibly rare occurrence.
The caveat is that when these injuries do occur, they can be catastrophic. The total compensation paid out these families comes out to over $4 billion dollars since 1989, or about $640,000 on average. Obviously, no one ever wants to become one of those families.
Even though the odds are extremely low, it easy to understand how some people might get fixated on the idea of their kid ending up as one of the unlucky ones.
could be some science behind the avoidance of vaccines:
Long-term safety studies have not been designed to detect vaccine-related fetal injuries, but a 2017 Kaiser study of over 45,000 women (published in JAMA Pediatrics) showed an elevated risk of birth defects and a 20% higher risk of autism in children whose mothers received a first-trimester flu shot. After the authors applied a statistical correction that lessened the significant association, renowned UCLA statistician Sander Greenland criticized the methodologically “inappropriate” decision, noting that pharmaceutical researchers use the technique when they don’t like a result and “want to see if they can get rid of it.”
and some more in this link (http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/harvard-immunologist-to-legislators-unvaccinated-children-pose-zero-risk-to-anyone/, but a summary here:
1) due to the properties of modern vaccines, non-vaccinated individuals pose no greater risk of transmission of polio, diphtheria, pertussis, and numerous non-type b H. influenzae strains than vaccinated individuals do, non-vaccinated individuals pose virtually no danger of transmission of hepatitis B in a school setting, and tetanus is not transmissible at all;
2) there is a significantly elevated risk of emergency room visits after childhood vaccination appointments attesting that vaccination is not risk-free;
3) outbreaks of measles cannot be entirely prevented even if we had nearly perfect vaccination compliance; and
4) an effective method of preventing measles and other viral diseases in vaccine-ineligible infants and the immunocompromised, immunoglobulin, is available for those who may be exposed to these diseases.
and there is this:
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link here: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/measles-scare-tactics-hurt-us-all
this is probably all total non-sense, as in, as bad as flat earth and ohio state is a clean program, but maybe some people believe it.
The reason they are comparable is that there is the same amount of science behind each groups beliefs.
Exactly. It could be flat Earth, anti-vacination, 9/11, evolution, Illuminati, or whatever. The way these theories gain traction are all very similar -- once the person is dug in, they become blind to any actual science.
Clearly you don’t know much about physics in regards to 9/11. 2 planes, 3 buildings all falling at free fall speed. What a joke the official story is
I'm not necessarily saying they are all equal. And 9/11 *could* be a coverup or lie or whatever, while the Earth is *definitely* not flat -- so those two things aren't the same. I'm talking more about how these movements are formed. Someone has an idea, makes a YouTube video, someone believes it and tells a friend, next thing you know there is a Facebook group, a convention, websites, t-shirts, then someone is making money off of it, and so on -- it spirals out of control. For example, in the flat Earth doc, there's a convention with a letter from a proud grandparent who has "third generation flat-earthers" who proudly called out their science teacher. That's insane to think that flat earthers have penetrated that deep into society in such a short period of time. Social media is a very dangerous thing.
Please don't tell me you went to Michigan. Please.
To be fair, there are many people who don't fully understand the scientific method. Whether they didn't pay attention in high school, or they didn't go to college. That's ok. The real inanity is that these anti vaxxers and flat earthers are unwilling- or unable- to follow these ideas to their logical conclusion. The sheer number of people who would have to be in on the conspiracy that would have to keep their mouths shut would be irrational to even fathom as being possible.
so here's more conspiracy stuff, 1,000's of doctors signed on to this one:
"Vaccines are necessarily risky, as recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court and by Congress. The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid some $4 billion in damages, and high hurdles must be surmounted to collect compensation. The damage may be so devastating that most people would prefer restored function to a multimillion-dollar damage award.
The smallpox vaccine is so dangerous that you can’t get it now, despite the weaponization of smallpox. Rabies vaccine is given only after a suspected exposure or to high-risk persons such as veterinarians. The whole-cell pertussis vaccine was withdrawn from the U.S. market, a decade later than from the Japanese market, because of reports of severe permanent brain damage. The acellular vaccine that replaced it is evidently safer, though somewhat less effective.
- Manufacturers are virtually immune from product liability, so the incentive to develop safer products is much diminished. Manufacturers may even refuse to make available a product believed to be safer, such as monovalent measles vaccine in preference to MMR (measles-mumps-rubella). Consumer refusal is the only incentive to do better.
- There are enormous conflicts of interest involving lucrative relationships with vaccine purveyors.
- Research into possible vaccine adverse effects is being quashed, as is dissent by professionals.
- There are many theoretical mechanisms for adverse effects from vaccines, especially in children with developing brains and immune systems. Note the devastating effects of Zika or rubella virus on developing humans, even though adults may have mild or asymptomatic infections. Many vaccines contain live viruses intended to cause a mild infection. Children’s brains are developing rapidly—any interference with the complex developmental symphony could be ruinous.
- Vaccines are neither 100% safe nor 100% effective. Nor are they the only available means to control the spread of disease.
AAPS represents thousands of physicians in all specialties nationwide. It was founded in 1943 to protect private medicine and the patient-physician relationship."
i mean how can people possibly believe this nonsense? they should all be locked up and forced to take the vaccines we decide are good for them.
full link here: https://aapsonline.org/measles-outbreak-and-federal-vaccine-mandates/
This was an article opposing the government mandating (i.e.,requiring) vaccines. It is a doctor group drawing a line saying "we know how our patients should be treated." It is not an anti-vaccine argument. In order to back up their stance they are showing that vaccination is a medical procedure and that medical procedures have risks involved and that a doctor's input is necessary. A government mandate to vaccinate could eliminate this input.
What you are doing is taking their arguments supporting their position that vaccines can be dangerous to some and presenting it as if vaccines are dangerous to all. I think you are twisting their statement to justify being anti-vax.
not sure where you get that, but that is/was not my point at all.
One is obviously more dangerous, but they find people the same way. Someone sees a social media post, they Google it, watch a YouTube video that they don't fact check, they listen to people who support their newfound beliefs and ignore people who don't, and then start searching for evidence that supports and reinforces their theory after already having arrived at a conclusion (instead of researching all evidence, then making a conclusion based on what the evidence proves or suggests).
Sounds like people that tightly clutch their political beliefs.
Yeah, there's exactly zero science behind both groups, so it is a fairly decent comparison. No need to pretend that there is any difference worth mentioning here.
The flat Earth shit started as a joke and idiots latched onto it. Much like the "free bleeders" bought into that idea, even though it was intended to be a joke. It's too easy to get people to believe nonsense these days, and it all starts as a joke or a meme intended to get people fired up over ridiculous nonsense.
The facts and sciences you speak of lean more towards flat, but you've been told and shown curve all your life. That's the main difference. Don't watch a doc meant to put flat earthers in a bad light, do some research yourself. You'll be surprised.
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lol no
Well, in the doc **SPOILER ALERT** the flat earthers construct an expirement to prove that the Earth isn't curved. They set up two poles marked at exactly 8 feet across a 3+ mile stretch of straight "flat" canal. They shine a laser from one 8ft mark to the other. They then put a 3rd pole in the center. It should shine across right at 8 feet as well. I'll let you guess what happens.
Clearly the pole in the middle was set up on a little hill, come on. Everyone knows the earth is flat.
Flat earthers, just send a satellite or go to space.
How about just head east and don't stop. You will of course hit the large ice wall at the end...duh
". . . the large ice wall at the end" -- ? Wasn't that "large ice wall" destroyed by the Night King?
I'm assuming you're a flat earther. So I have to take this chance to ask, what is the reason that scientists are hiding a flat Earth? Like what is the payoff?
Presumably there has to be something to gain by propagating a myth.
With most conspiracies I can at least understand why someone would entertain the idea, but the flat Earth one I just can't.
I have thought the same thing.. which points to it just being a social club or they are trolling and it's working
The research HAS BEEN DONE...it's a globe, albeit one humans are ruining!
Anti vaccination people are just flat out wrong. Their “facts” are incorrect. And they put their children and the human race in more harm. The arguments to not vaccinate is just completely invalid, irresponsible, and just plain wrong. And that’s why some anti-vaccine peeps exist; cause they are invalid, irresponsible, and just plain wrong.
no doubt, we should lock them all up and not let them out until we have made them take the vaccines that we decide are good for them. and all those doctors who have supported some of these anti-vaccine articles, all of them should be stripped of their medical licenses.
AAPS represents thousands of physicians in all specialties nationwide. It was founded in 1943 to protect private medicine and the patient-physician relationship.
we need to find all these doctors, maybe lock them up, too.
Agreed. Sounds fair.
Just a couple?
Haven't seen it yet, but I heard the Umbrella Academy is really good if that's your thing. Superhero type stuff but supposedly a bit different.
And if a mystery ghost story drama might be your thing at all, The Haunting of Hill House is up there with the best shows of 2018. Probably the best "horror" series of all time. Reminds me of "This Is Us" except with the whole "Haunting" thing. Highly recommended.
I dunno... I've watched bits and pieces of 'This is Us' because the wife was watching it. I didn't see anything redeeming in it. Nothing but sadness... Did anyone ever smile in that show? Ugh, count me out.
This Is Us is a "drama" for a reason. But the characters are extremely likeable. A lot of humor. It's a play on real life drama with both ups and downs. The main reason I compared the two is because 1) both shows are centered around one family and 2) both shows jump back and forth between moments of time, particularly the "before" time when the kids were young and the "after" or real time when the kids were mature adults. Not necessarily the theme of the show. Which obviously This Is Us doesnt have ghosts in it...
IMO Umbrella Academy is just sort of ok. Some cool scenes and a few really good acting jobs. But also half the storylines and characters are just plain boring. It's good to watch while I'm on the treadmill, but that's about it.
I just finished umbrella academy it was pretty good could have cut maybe 2 episodes to make it more condensed. The music definitely set the stage, to be expected the source material was written by Gerard Way. I’ll admit it I’m a bit of a comic book dork, no shame. Along these lines Netflix did another dark horse comics story in a stand-alone movie called Polar which had some really good action scenes.