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March 19th, 2019 at 11:17 AM ^

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26306935/sources-angels-trout-new-430m-deal

Tried to put in link and comments, and inadvertently pushed enter too quickly (cannot edit OP)

"The 27-year-old Trout, who has won two American League MVP awards and finished second four times, will receive an average of nearly $36 million a year, topping Zack Greinke's previous record average of $34.4 million with the Arizona Diamondbacks.

The $430 million-plus total is more than 30 percent larger than the $330 million deal the Harper signed with the Philadelphia Phillies"

NittanyFan

March 19th, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^

The Angels should theoretically have a window of World Series contention in the 2021-2024 time frame.  Pujols contract gets off the books, their farm system is good, and they can buy some players to compliment Trout, Ohanti and Simmons, who will be in their late 20s-early 30s and the core of the team.

Of course, by the late 2020s Trout's contract may become Pujols' contract, version 2.0.  But that's a problem that's a long-ways out.  Try to win now.  

Mr Grainger

March 19th, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^

The dangerous thing about these contracts in baseball is any team is one injury away from owing a lot of cash to someone who will never contribute in a meaningful way again. That's why I was jumping for joy the day the Tigers traded Prince Fielder ... I saw that one coming. And Ian Kinsler was a great addition.

CRISPed in the DIAG

March 19th, 2019 at 12:20 PM ^

Trout is 27 - an age that usually identifies as peak offensive production. He could maintain 85% of it through his age-32 or 33 seasons. After that, CF's drop off the face of the earth and his bat will likely be overpaid as a LF/RF/DH/1B. Forget about moving him at a trade deadline unless you pay his freight.

There's gonna be a shit-ton of dead money on this deal. I'm somewhat pissed because it may affect how the Sox deal with Mookie Betts.

Space Coyote

March 19th, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^

Clubs are maximizing profits regardless because that's the short view nature of how business works these days. Whether Trout makes this salary or not, clubs are charging effectively what their supply and demand curve tell them to (I know there isn't a literal supply and demand curve, but that's as in-depth as my Econ 101 ability goes).

So while I think these contracts are crazy in multiple facets (morally, from actual cost benefit to winning, dead weight at the end, etc), they aren't the reason for the price of tickets. The short-sightedness of business is, because they see more dollars now despite seeing ever growing decline in attendance that will result in the love of the game being less likely to be passed down to future generations (but that's probably some other owner's problem, so who cares).

Unfortunately, it's also likely this is happening with Michigan football, where if they continue to price tickets where they do, they will continue to maximize short term at the expense of passing on the same passion for Michigan football to future generations willing to pay as you have to for a game.

Yabadabablue

March 19th, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^

Ticket price is demand driven. If the team is good, people will are willing to pay more and the price will go up. If the team is bad, people will not pay (think Tigers when they were good vs now)  

Trout's salary is a direct result of the demand/money/value he brings in. 

Why is it that Michigan Football tickets are high? they don't pay players

Dr. Detroit

March 19th, 2019 at 12:06 PM ^

Don't you mean rich people use their companies to buy tickets as expenses they can write off on corporate taxes?

Also curious as to what the Angels do for a stadium.  They already apparently have opted out of their Anaheim lease & want to build a new park in Long Beach.  Bet ownership doesn't have the money & needs $500m or a billion or whatever in tax money to fund it.

ldevon1

March 19th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^

True and false. Ticket prices were/are high before he signs this deal. Bad teams have high ticket prices and food and beverage prices. It's more a supply demand issue. Tiger ticket prices are high and they suck, and they have cut payroll. The issue is, nothing ever drops in price. It's the ole if you didn't pay UAW workers so much, cars would be cheaper. No they wouldn't, they would just get more of a profit per car. 

mGrowOld

March 19th, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^

Can somebody help me to understand the revenue stream projection necessary to justify committing to this long-term expense.  I own a business and what baseball is doing to itself economically looks insane to me.   And the money source - ESPN, TNT & TBS are experiencing huge drops in viewers as more and more pull the plug on cable.   

Attendance at the ballparks is down and projected to go down even  further:  https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2018/10/03/how-mlb-attendance-dropped-below-70-milli on-for-first-time-in-15-years/#4413d2d561bf

Ratings are at an all-time low for the post season: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/those-disastrous-world-series-tv-ratings/

How can they not see what's coming?

FatGuyTouchdown

March 19th, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^

The payroll is not impacted whatsoever by ticket prices. Correlation is not causation, and almost every economic study has proven this. They're almost two entirely separate events. If the payroll had any impact on ticket pricing, you would expect Michigan Football to have incredibly cheap tickets, since they don't have a yearly payroll. The only impact it has, is the team deciding that by having a big name, big money star like Mike Trout or Bryce Harper will lead them to be more successful, and having a better product on the field allows for a higher ticket price. But that's a variable that would almost definitely be the same whether they signed Mike Trout for this contract, or his rookie contract. The money is going to go to the millionaire players, or the billionaire owners. There is no savings for the fan, and that's a sad reality of American Sports. 

ldevon1

March 19th, 2019 at 11:20 AM ^

That's just ridiculous. He'll be 40 when it's over, so the last 5 - 6 years he'll probably be a DH for the deal. Well, I guess get it while you can. 

footballguy

March 19th, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^

Sports teams are businesses. Yes, the people running them want to win, but they more importantly want to make money 

Trout is a type of player that is worth $430M for the next 12 years because he help rake in much more than that in that timeframe. Not to mention he is an all time great

 

ldevon1

March 19th, 2019 at 1:12 PM ^

Not player is worth that. Baseball fans will watch, but he will not get anyone who is not a fan to tune in. Michael Jordan got non fans to watch. Tiger Woods got non fans to watch. Mike Tyson got non fans to watch. So did to an extent Lebron James, Wayne Gretzky Derek Jeter, Sammy Sosa, and Mark McGuire. Baseball just doesn't have that appeal anymore for some reason. I appreciate Mike Trout, but I'm a baseball fan.That's a ton of money for a guy that doesn't really move the needle. 

FatGuyTouchdown

March 19th, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^

If they did that, they'd have 80-90 Million dollars locked up into two players for the next 3 years, and that's not including the 90 Million they owe Justin Upton over the next 4 years. And they still have to pay Ohtani next year. It wasn't financially feasible to do that, so they're just hoping this doesn't blow up in their faces

footballguy

March 19th, 2019 at 11:45 AM ^

It's weird. Nobody gets upset at actors making millions of dollars for a blockbuster movie, or pop singers making $50M a year for making hits and selling out stadiums, but so many people get upset when athletes make a shit ton of money. And they're all in the same business: entertainment. 

Trout deserves every penny of this. If you're upset at it, you're probably just upset at yourself for being so average

JHumich

March 19th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^

Make what people will pay you. I might not get upset at the salaries of athletes, film stars, pop stars... but I do think that it's indicative of a culture that's obsessed with being entertained and amused. 

Not the healthiest thing.

Says the guy amusing himself at a website devoted to college athletic amusements...

We're all messed up. $36M/yr to play a game is one of myriad symptoms of that. Certainly not something to blame him for (or even the Angels).

FatGuyTouchdown

March 19th, 2019 at 12:02 PM ^

People naively think that if the players take less, they'll save more. Which is incorrect. If the players take less, the fans are still just as fucked, but the owners make more. I'd much rather the players get market value than the owners milk the costs of the team to make more money. 

Perkis-Size Me

March 19th, 2019 at 1:00 PM ^

What's that saying? Don't hate the player, hate the game? 

Either way, doesn't bother me. Is Mike Trout's annual inherent value to society worth ~ $35 million a year? Maybe. Maybe not. He plays a game. He's not saving lives. But that's what the market says he's worth, and he's in an industry where if you break through to the top 1% of it, as he's done, the market says you are worth $430 million. The man is at the absolute top of his profession and he deserves to be paid as such. 

Two last things to remember here:

1) For every Mike Trout out there, there are probably 2,000 "nobody" athletes down in the minors making $25,000 a year, and who's idea of a nice night out is the 2 for $20 menu at Applebee's. No sneaker deals, private planes, 25,000 square foot mansions. They're riding dirty buses cross-country and living out of motels for a good chunk of the year. Mike Trout is the exception in his profession, not the rule. 

2) If you're pissed about how much more money someone makes than you, remember there's only one person who gets to be the richest person in the world. Everyone else is looking up at them, so if you compare yourself to others based on the amount of money you make, you're in for a lifetime of disappointment. 

Space Coyote

March 19th, 2019 at 2:53 PM ^

People should make whatever they can make. The market is willing to pay Trout this amount, he should take it. If he thinks it's morally wrong, it's his money to decide what is morally right. So I have no issue with Trout making this money, or other people in entertainment making their money.

And make no mistake, entertainment has a lot of value to society, just because it's not curing cancer, doesn't mean it doesn't help. And as noted elsewhere in this thread, there are lots of people that can do almost anyone's job in this thread, there are very, very few, that even if they trained passionately, could do what most of these entertainers can. That said, it says something about society (not the person making the money) that this extreme amount of money is considered at all appropriate, given what it could be spent doing. I think that's where the misgivings come from. There is a difference between a lot of money and just how much money this is.

notetoself

March 19th, 2019 at 6:59 PM ^

well said. and yes, that's exactly where the misgivings come from. or at least, it's where they SHOULD come from.

when $10,000 would drastically change the lives of those barely making ends meet, and one dude is given that many millions of dollars, it just doesn't seem right. there's a reason they say money is the root of all evil.