OT - Mike Trout finalizing $430M+ contract for 12 years with LA Angels
March 19th, 2019 at 11:17 AM ^
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26306935/sources-angels-trout-new-430m-deal
Tried to put in link and comments, and inadvertently pushed enter too quickly (cannot edit OP)
"The 27-year-old Trout, who has won two American League MVP awards and finished second four times, will receive an average of nearly $36 million a year, topping Zack Greinke's previous record average of $34.4 million with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
The $430 million-plus total is more than 30 percent larger than the $330 million deal the Harper signed with the Philadelphia Phillies"
March 19th, 2019 at 12:04 PM ^
Trout's deal makes Harper look like a piker
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mike-trout-leaves-money-on-the-table-again/
Nope. When you consider that Trout was already owed $65M over the next two seasons, he essentially just signed the exact same contract as Harper. Which is a massive bargain for the Angels.
You do realize that a pike is a type of fish, right?
March 19th, 2019 at 11:18 AM ^
Trout deserves whatever someone is willing to pay him. Otherwise, this is a succinct example why some teams never win.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^
The Angels should theoretically have a window of World Series contention in the 2021-2024 time frame. Pujols contract gets off the books, their farm system is good, and they can buy some players to compliment Trout, Ohanti and Simmons, who will be in their late 20s-early 30s and the core of the team.
Of course, by the late 2020s Trout's contract may become Pujols' contract, version 2.0. But that's a problem that's a long-ways out. Try to win now.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^
The dangerous thing about these contracts in baseball is any team is one injury away from owing a lot of cash to someone who will never contribute in a meaningful way again. That's why I was jumping for joy the day the Tigers traded Prince Fielder ... I saw that one coming. And Ian Kinsler was a great addition.
Clubs get insurance on these deals. Yankees got a lot of money back when A-rod was suspended. The dangerous part about these deals is the player declines rapidly like Pujols, Miggy (pretty much all long term large deals) etc... I think Trout may be the safest deal of all time.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:20 PM ^
Trout is 27 - an age that usually identifies as peak offensive production. He could maintain 85% of it through his age-32 or 33 seasons. After that, CF's drop off the face of the earth and his bat will likely be overpaid as a LF/RF/DH/1B. Forget about moving him at a trade deadline unless you pay his freight.
There's gonna be a shit-ton of dead money on this deal. I'm somewhat pissed because it may affect how the Sox deal with Mookie Betts.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:24 PM ^
6 years from now, Angels fans will look on this exactly like Tigers fans look at Miggy's contract now. 6 years of dead money ahead.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^
It really seems like the Pujols deal taught them nothing
March 19th, 2019 at 11:19 AM ^
Meanwhile, a large portion of dads can’t afford to take their kid to a game because of this crap.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:24 AM ^
Mike Trout getting paid a lot of money is not the reason why it is expensive to go to the game.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
Seems to me, if organizations didn’t have to pay ridiculous contracts like this, they wouldn’t have to charge so much for tickets and concessions to make their profit. Correct me if I’m wrong.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:28 AM ^
They charge the price because there are fans that are willing to pay that much money to see a player like Trout, and his salary reflects that.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^
Most MLB stands look empty to me. Correct me if I’m wrong.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:51 AM ^
You're wrong.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:23 PM ^
Just so you know, the article says attendance was down. TV contracts were flat (the increase came from sponsorships). Don’t think this negates the other poster’s comment very strongly.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:06 PM ^
Well considering MLB attendance has been dropping every year since 2007, no, people aren't willing to pay those prices.
Clubs are maximizing profits regardless because that's the short view nature of how business works these days. Whether Trout makes this salary or not, clubs are charging effectively what their supply and demand curve tell them to (I know there isn't a literal supply and demand curve, but that's as in-depth as my Econ 101 ability goes).
So while I think these contracts are crazy in multiple facets (morally, from actual cost benefit to winning, dead weight at the end, etc), they aren't the reason for the price of tickets. The short-sightedness of business is, because they see more dollars now despite seeing ever growing decline in attendance that will result in the love of the game being less likely to be passed down to future generations (but that's probably some other owner's problem, so who cares).
Unfortunately, it's also likely this is happening with Michigan football, where if they continue to price tickets where they do, they will continue to maximize short term at the expense of passing on the same passion for Michigan football to future generations willing to pay as you have to for a game.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^
You're wrong. The amount of revenue teams spend on players is falling at an alarming rate.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
Its an expense that needs to be offset. Explain how his enormous salary doesn't drive up ticket prices.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^
Ticket price is demand driven. If the team is good, people will are willing to pay more and the price will go up. If the team is bad, people will not pay (think Tigers when they were good vs now)
Trout's salary is a direct result of the demand/money/value he brings in.
Why is it that Michigan Football tickets are high? they don't pay players
March 19th, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^
Very true. Capitalism/Economics at work. Demand increases prices. Doesn't matter if some families can't afford it, rich families are willing to pay.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:06 PM ^
Don't you mean rich people use their companies to buy tickets as expenses they can write off on corporate taxes?
Also curious as to what the Angels do for a stadium. They already apparently have opted out of their Anaheim lease & want to build a new park in Long Beach. Bet ownership doesn't have the money & needs $500m or a billion or whatever in tax money to fund it.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^
True and false. Ticket prices were/are high before he signs this deal. Bad teams have high ticket prices and food and beverage prices. It's more a supply demand issue. Tiger ticket prices are high and they suck, and they have cut payroll. The issue is, nothing ever drops in price. It's the ole if you didn't pay UAW workers so much, cars would be cheaper. No they wouldn't, they would just get more of a profit per car.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^
Can somebody help me to understand the revenue stream projection necessary to justify committing to this long-term expense. I own a business and what baseball is doing to itself economically looks insane to me. And the money source - ESPN, TNT & TBS are experiencing huge drops in viewers as more and more pull the plug on cable.
Attendance at the ballparks is down and projected to go down even further: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2018/10/03/how-mlb-attendance-dropped-below-70-milli on-for-first-time-in-15-years/#4413d2d561bf
Ratings are at an all-time low for the post season: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/those-disastrous-world-series-tv-ratings/
How can they not see what's coming?
Because nobody plans long term anymore.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^
The payroll is not impacted whatsoever by ticket prices. Correlation is not causation, and almost every economic study has proven this. They're almost two entirely separate events. If the payroll had any impact on ticket pricing, you would expect Michigan Football to have incredibly cheap tickets, since they don't have a yearly payroll. The only impact it has, is the team deciding that by having a big name, big money star like Mike Trout or Bryce Harper will lead them to be more successful, and having a better product on the field allows for a higher ticket price. But that's a variable that would almost definitely be the same whether they signed Mike Trout for this contract, or his rookie contract. The money is going to go to the millionaire players, or the billionaire owners. There is no savings for the fan, and that's a sad reality of American Sports.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:58 AM ^
To me it's not so much the ticket prices that get ya. It's the parking, concessions, souvenirs, etc. $8 for a beer? No thanks.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:20 AM ^
That's just ridiculous. He'll be 40 when it's over, so the last 5 - 6 years he'll probably be a DH for the deal. Well, I guess get it while you can.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:35 AM ^
How have these teams not learned that players decline drastically in their 30s. Paying top dollar for half the player.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^
Well you cant really blame the Angels for doing this though given how well the Pujols contract has worked out for him. He's clearly been the same player for them the past 3-4 years as he was for Cardinals in his prime right?
#somepeopleneverlearn
March 19th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^
Exactly. Pay him $300 mill for 5 years. Unless he didn't think that was enough, then fuck him.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:45 AM ^
At least have an opt out at some point. Glad the tigers have miggy for another few years of his prime.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^
Sports teams are businesses. Yes, the people running them want to win, but they more importantly want to make money
Trout is a type of player that is worth $430M for the next 12 years because he help rake in much more than that in that timeframe. Not to mention he is an all time great
Not player is worth that. Baseball fans will watch, but he will not get anyone who is not a fan to tune in. Michael Jordan got non fans to watch. Tiger Woods got non fans to watch. Mike Tyson got non fans to watch. So did to an extent Lebron James, Wayne Gretzky Derek Jeter, Sammy Sosa, and Mark McGuire. Baseball just doesn't have that appeal anymore for some reason. I appreciate Mike Trout, but I'm a baseball fan.That's a ton of money for a guy that doesn't really move the needle.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^
If they did that, they'd have 80-90 Million dollars locked up into two players for the next 3 years, and that's not including the 90 Million they owe Justin Upton over the next 4 years. And they still have to pay Ohtani next year. It wasn't financially feasible to do that, so they're just hoping this doesn't blow up in their faces
March 19th, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^
Absurd.
Pay teachers.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^
Pretty much anybody can be a teacher. There's only one Mike Trout
Pretty much anybody can be a teacher.
CHICKEN OR EGG
March 19th, 2019 at 11:57 AM ^
Hundreds of thousands of people can teach.
Only Mike Trout can Mike Trout.
EDIT: Well said, footballguy.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^
There goes his chance at ever winning a championship.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^
$430 Million>>>>>>A better Chance at winning a championship
March 19th, 2019 at 11:45 AM ^
It's weird. Nobody gets upset at actors making millions of dollars for a blockbuster movie, or pop singers making $50M a year for making hits and selling out stadiums, but so many people get upset when athletes make a shit ton of money. And they're all in the same business: entertainment.
Trout deserves every penny of this. If you're upset at it, you're probably just upset at yourself for being so average
March 19th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^
Make what people will pay you. I might not get upset at the salaries of athletes, film stars, pop stars... but I do think that it's indicative of a culture that's obsessed with being entertained and amused.
Not the healthiest thing.
Says the guy amusing himself at a website devoted to college athletic amusements...
We're all messed up. $36M/yr to play a game is one of myriad symptoms of that. Certainly not something to blame him for (or even the Angels).
March 19th, 2019 at 12:02 PM ^
People naively think that if the players take less, they'll save more. Which is incorrect. If the players take less, the fans are still just as fucked, but the owners make more. I'd much rather the players get market value than the owners milk the costs of the team to make more money.
What's that saying? Don't hate the player, hate the game?
Either way, doesn't bother me. Is Mike Trout's annual inherent value to society worth ~ $35 million a year? Maybe. Maybe not. He plays a game. He's not saving lives. But that's what the market says he's worth, and he's in an industry where if you break through to the top 1% of it, as he's done, the market says you are worth $430 million. The man is at the absolute top of his profession and he deserves to be paid as such.
Two last things to remember here:
1) For every Mike Trout out there, there are probably 2,000 "nobody" athletes down in the minors making $25,000 a year, and who's idea of a nice night out is the 2 for $20 menu at Applebee's. No sneaker deals, private planes, 25,000 square foot mansions. They're riding dirty buses cross-country and living out of motels for a good chunk of the year. Mike Trout is the exception in his profession, not the rule.
2) If you're pissed about how much more money someone makes than you, remember there's only one person who gets to be the richest person in the world. Everyone else is looking up at them, so if you compare yourself to others based on the amount of money you make, you're in for a lifetime of disappointment.
People should make whatever they can make. The market is willing to pay Trout this amount, he should take it. If he thinks it's morally wrong, it's his money to decide what is morally right. So I have no issue with Trout making this money, or other people in entertainment making their money.
And make no mistake, entertainment has a lot of value to society, just because it's not curing cancer, doesn't mean it doesn't help. And as noted elsewhere in this thread, there are lots of people that can do almost anyone's job in this thread, there are very, very few, that even if they trained passionately, could do what most of these entertainers can. That said, it says something about society (not the person making the money) that this extreme amount of money is considered at all appropriate, given what it could be spent doing. I think that's where the misgivings come from. There is a difference between a lot of money and just how much money this is.
well said. and yes, that's exactly where the misgivings come from. or at least, it's where they SHOULD come from.
when $10,000 would drastically change the lives of those barely making ends meet, and one dude is given that many millions of dollars, it just doesn't seem right. there's a reason they say money is the root of all evil.