OT: How effective are masks you ask?
I know this is OT, but just in case anyone is interested, thanks for your time.
Early on before testing and other precautions ramped up in Korea, there were 2 hospitals that both admitted patients with flu symptoms who ended up staying for multiple weeks. It was only after a week the covid19 tests came back positive for these patients.
Both hospitals were in an uproar. Covid19 patient for a week mixing with all the doctors and nurses and patients? Everything was cancelled, everyone was tested, everything was cleaned. To make things worse, multiple patients shared the room as the covid 19 positives, staying together almost 24/7.
Guess how many got infected?
Zero.
Not a single nurse, not a single doctor, not even patients in the same small room.
To further drive the point, one nurse from one of these hospitals later on that week went to a church service without a mask for 90 minutes and get infected
The only thing they did? The patients had masks on the entire time because they had flu symptoms when they were admitted.
The medical professionals concluded they prevented the spread almost completely via masking the patients. And in case you're wondering Korea has some of the best medical systems in the entire world.
The hospital? Back to full workloads, only with mandatory mask requirements. Nobody was fired or furloughed obviously.
Just google translate the following link. In case you're wondering this is one of the most conservative and highly read news sites in Korea.
https://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2020/03/25/2020032500295.html
Yes, that's exactly what he just said.
I wish I had an MGoBlog account. Damn, too slow, this was meant to fall in two places above but then I had to log in.
Fauci himself, btw, said that the real danger is not breathing so much as coughing, spitting, sneezing.
While there is a SLIGHT chance of catching it by breath, it's dependent more upon moisture droplets than anything else. Here is an article talking about it.
Exactly, so anything that can contain your moisture droplets from getting into the air and infecting other will help
Best thing about masks is.........they keep you from touching your own mouth and nose.
Have you actually watched anybody wear a mask?
I'm decidedly pro-mask, but will agree that it is difficult and can lead to more face touching for many.
I'm the exact opposite. I become hyper aware that something is on my face and keeps me from randomly or casually touching my face.
Seems like a great data point for opening things up with people wearing masks
I agree with you. The problem is, people are getting shot for telling people to wear masks.
If you look at leaders in other countries, they all come on TV wearing masks or just pulling it down to talk.
Unless people see someone they respect wearing masks, nobody will.
The virus has mutated since then and the U.S. has the more aggressive strain now. You can’t look at a situation in a single stance without looking forward and backward for context.
Masks are like having a goalie. Hall of Famers get scored on but its much better than an open net.
Wearing a mask is more about protecting others than protecting yourself. Masks will catch any of the the moisture, spit, etc. that your project into the air when you cough, breath, sneeze, etc. So if everyone wears a mask, then you're protecting everyone else from yourself. And since everyone should be taking precautions and acting like we have the virus, then everyone should wear a mask
True..but my answer is more fun.
True..except the mask also prevents the wearer from unconsciously touching the face.
Yeah, this ones a no brainer. Wear a mask, it helps and it's just not that big of a deal or a burden.
If everyone wore masks when they went out, this whole thing would be much more under control. I'm wearing one for your safety, so you should wear one for mine. I don't care if it makes you look stupid
So, if everybody wears a mask, we can end this stay at home BS and get back to work.
Remember that time Matt Gaetz wore a full faced gas mask on the House floor?
If everyone wears a mask and takes precautions, then starting to reopen can become a much more viable option since it will be harder for the virus to spread, cases and outbreaks can be reduced, and hospitals can stay below capacity.
That's a big "if" though since so many people refuse to wear masks
The problem is that you have people who don't want to be forced to wear a mask because "freedom" and all. The governor of Ohio didn't mandate it because it was a bridge too far or some BS. And then you have fine, upstanding people in Michigan shooting a security guard and wiping their nose on a store clerk, all because they had to wear a mask.
Masks can be the solution to get us all back to work, and you'll still have people defying orders, because they don't like being told what to do.
No snark, serious question. Where do you draw the line for what someone can make you do in the "public interest"?
Masks are easy no brainers but is there a point where you would say "no, this is too much" or is it anything goes in the name of public safety?
Again, no snark, just trying to gauge how far people (in general) are willing to go.
I see your point and it's an interesting question by itself but simply having people wear masks in public doesn't even approach the need for the question yet.
If you don't want to wear a mask, I hear that drinking disinfectant is a viable alternative
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I don’t know about you but I don’t come to this blog to talk about any of this and am tired of it
Is this sarcasm? Want to talk about how well spring ball went? How did the b-ball team finish off?
Yeah I know it's OT, but we would absolutely save more lives if EVERYONE wore masks.
Imagine all the people who died or will die, they could have been saved if people wore masks.
We're coming up with new and better ways to treat the virus. Just wear masks until then.
Dumb.
I look at it this way. If a fart can ooze through your underwear and jeans then how in the hell can a mask stop something from coming through it?
an M95 mask will stop 95% of the shart
Bad analogy. You do not have N95 underwear.
O.k., more seriously...flatulence is a gas. COVID-19 virus is expelled from the mouth in water droplets. Mask can impede water droplets, but not gases.
Also, would you rather just be near someone farting with pants on or their bare ass in your face letting it rip?
You win, you got me to laugh the hardest. I will take the former please.
Haha I burst out laughing as well
I guess it depends what one is into...
I'm ambivalent about traditional mask effectiveness. Airborne droplets can easily enter through the eyes. Better to wear a welder's mask.
Yeah but in general sick people aren’t projectile tearing at you. Or leaving clouds of tears in their wake.
Actually it would be best to wear a space suite or enclose yourself into one of the those bubble the the first pitch boy in Korea baseball rolled out in one.
Are those big Covids trying to get in?
I see your point.
But the masks are less about protecting yourself from others with covid19
Its more to protect others from YOU, if you have covid19. As masks would catch most, if not all of your contaminated droplets.
Its extra critical as this fucked disease has a longer incubation period than your common flu.
I actually didnt ask and a wise man once said to be skeptical if someone tries to give you answers for a question you didnt ask
Masks weaken your immune system and everyone else around you. You need bacteria and viruses to exercise your system. If you self isolate and wear a mask you are at a much greater risk to get sick. Combine that with a 0.1% mortality rate for cerveza20 (per USC) wearing a mask is harming a lot of people.
Good, why don't you just find a hospital and go walk around the Covid19 ward without a mask. It will get your immune system nice and strong. Just thinning the herd.
Kinda thought Michigan fans were brighter than this, but I guess you can never underestimate stupidity.
As effective as condoms. Much better than raw but they’re not a Pokémon trainer, they don’t catchem all
Great analogy. And lets assume one person can spread it to 3, those 3 spread it to another 3, and on and on. It's exponential infection.
But if the one person just wore a mask, and cut down the infection rate by 90%, thats an exponential saving of lives.
They are effective. It’s hard to tell if someone is an MSU fan cause you can’t tell if they are mouth breathing.
I heard a virologist a few weeks ago on the radio talking about this, he basically said even cloth masks should help at reducing (not eliminating) C19 spread (less germs leave the source and make it to a recipient) AND when germs do make it to a recipient the viral load is typically lower. This means the recipient has more time (virus replicates in your body at a finite rate) to mount an immune response before the disease becomes a serious infection. So everyone wearing masks should lower the rate of spread and lower the average severity experienced.
I’ve definitely been opposed to indefinite lockdowns while waiting for a vaccine and been in the pro-open camp this whole time (with calculated/rational restrictions to keep ICU capacity, protect elders, etc.), but I don’t get the resistance to wearing a mask. If wearing masks in public for the next 2 years means the economy can mostly reopen (people can go back to work) why wouldn’t everyone just do it?
Mostly because there are alot of stupid people that are against anything the government tells them to do....except injecting bleach and 5G causing C19. People don't have any problem believing that.
I doubt the non-N95 masks are that effective in terms of screening out airborne virus molecules. What makes the real impact is constantly cleaning your hands, not touching your face, and staying a safe distance from other people. If the masks help do some of that, then they do have a positive effect. But people who wear them outdoors well away from people and buildings, it's a complete waste of time.
I really don't understand why everyone doesn't grasp this by now. Masks (non N-95 type) work very well, but only if everyone participates. They don't provide complete protection for YOU, but prevent YOU from spreading germs. Thus, if everyone wears them, the amount of the virus being shed in public areas is greatly reduced. It's not difficult to comprehend.