OT: How do you coffee? AKA: Friday morning drinking thread

Submitted by MGoStretch on August 26th, 2021 at 2:33 PM

OK MGoChums, before OT season expires and we head into the cooler seasons when a cup of warm coffee could literally be a lifesaver, I've been thinking about getting into pour-over territory.  An electric kettle for precise temperature control, the whole 9 yards. Do any of you have recs? Anybody into home cold brew?  Favorite roasts out there?  Anybody keep a civet to process their own Kopi luwak?

Carpetbagger

August 26th, 2021 at 3:43 PM ^

I consider the upgrade from Folgers/Maxwell House to grinding my own beans worth it. I still use a Mr Coffee that refuses to die after years of use.

But I've come to the conclusion it's like VHS to DVDs. That upgrade was totally worth it. Blu-Ray and all the HD stuff are just making things shinier and costlier to no real purpose.

Same with all those fancy coffee machines and presses and such. Pick the right beans for you and none of that matters except to the pocketbook.

RedRum

August 26th, 2021 at 2:44 PM ^

I like blondes for cold. If the bean is too roasted, it becomes more bitter, which reveals itself more in a cold cup. My main problem with cold brew is that it seems most put a ton of sugar in it, to the point where a milkshake with caffeine would do about the same thing. 

MGlobules

August 26th, 2021 at 5:43 PM ^

Yes, and it makes a superior cup of coffee. With far less fuss than any other method. 

I started drinking cold brew because I had acid reflux; that is gone. I got the (quite inexpensive) Oxo maker, and it has now served me for three or four years. You simply fill it with ten ounces of coffee and water and pour it out the next day. Almost zero work but something hugely satisfying about it.

Then you make coffee like you would an Americano style coffee--diluting the very strong concentrate with hot water. In short order, you'll become very good at eyeballing the right amounts. Makes a superior cup of coffee and even better latte, as my wife admits. 

One of the pluses is that you don't need fancy coffee with the cold drip method; I tend to buy whatever's on sale and am still almost always drinking nicer coffee, IMO, than any at friend's houses we visit. The one exception: those single-serving Nespresso machines. But they're a landfill nightmare. 

 

 

MGoStretch

August 26th, 2021 at 2:54 PM ^

Interesting, thanks for the tip.  Do you brew your own?

If you ever find yourself in Moshi, Tanzania and you want a milkshake with caffeine, hit up Union Cafe.  They make an espresso milkshake that tastes as good as Desmond returning a punt and striking the Heisman pose.

matt1114

August 26th, 2021 at 2:51 PM ^

So I have a Chemex and it legitimately does make better coffee than other pourovers I have. That being said, what type of filter you use has a bigger impact on flavor than you think.  However, don't underestimate the french press. I have all the coffee "devices" for different ways to make coffee, but I've never been into the precise temp control as I don't notice a difference when I make a cup at 5am. 

Cold-brew is easy, and it's all about finding the perfect balance of grounds to water and how long you want to brew(8 hours vs 10 vs 12 all have huge differences). 

Don't buy ground coffee unless you have to, and invest in a grinder. I have a Cuisinart one I can set the grind size which is really nice. When you buy beans, put them in a sealed container or if you want to go full-on you can actually freeze your beans to preserve freshness. 

As for roasts, I don't personally like Columbian as much. Kona/Hawaiian blends I've really enjoyed lately and have a guatemalan blend from Sprouts(kinda like a whole foods but more farmers market feeling and cheaper) which has bulk blends. 

SanDiegoWolverine

August 26th, 2021 at 3:03 PM ^

Freshness of beans is really really underrated. Keeping your beans from oxidizing is pretty important.

As far as Colombian, there are hundreds of roasts from Colombia. There are over 12 coffee growing regions there and definitely something for everyone. Don't ever buy a generic "Colombian" roast if you want anything more than mediocre coffee. 

kehnonymous

August 26th, 2021 at 3:16 PM ^

Yeah, from my (limited) experience Colombia has something for everyone in terms of its coffee.  I was fortunate enough to go there a few years ago, and while it's generally true they export most of the 'good' stuff there's definitely a movement to showcase its coffee to the natives.  Probably the most memorable cup I've ever had in my life was at San Alberto Cafe in Cartagena - the cold brew there was so clean and sweet I had to check to see that they didn't put in any sugar just to be sure.  Prior to that I always blindly put in cream and honey in my coffee and that cup singlehandedly got me into enjoying straight up coffee

MGoAlumnus

August 26th, 2021 at 3:06 PM ^

I agree with most of your points, except I prefer a single cup pour-over over a Chemex.  Not sure why, but Chemex brews come out a bit flat for me compared to the pour-overs.  100% agreed on the filters being critical, the best I've found are Bonmac.

Also, don't put your coffee beans in the freezer.  High humidity environments are bad for them.

kehnonymous

August 26th, 2021 at 2:52 PM ^

I'm a plebe who still uses a French press and hasn't yet graduated to Aeropress, so caveat emptor but if you haven't already, maybe check James Hoffman's YouTube channel for recs on pour over equipment.

Also, dunno if you do this already but you can somewhat ape the bright and clean taste you'd get from a pour over with a French Press - grind finer than you typically would for a press, and then break the crust after about 4 minutes as per usual...

...however, do not plunge.  Instead just wait 5-6 minut a for the silt to drift to the bottom and then pour into a cup, using the French press lid to filter.  You don't want to plunge since that agitates the brew and potentially beings in the silty stuff.

Burt Macklin_FBI

August 26th, 2021 at 2:55 PM ^

Pour overs are a really easy & relaxing way to get more into making good coffee! It's one of my favorite parts of my morning routine. I would recommend a Kalita Wave (Although filters have skyrocketed in price the past 6 months due to shortages, which is annoying). Make sure you get a scale as well to measure out coffee & water! It doesn't have to be anything super fancy, any kitchen scale works. My go-to ratio is 30 grams of coffee beans & 500g of water. That puts out a 16oz cup.

I don't do Cold brew, but I do ice my pour overs about 75% of the time. Just sub out 100 grams of water for 100g of ice & you're good to go. 

For actual coffee, I prefer light roasts - Mundo's in Traverse City has been a favorite place to order beans from this summer!

If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them the best I can - coffee can be a really fun hobby!

BuddhaBlue

August 26th, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^

lol at kopi luwak comment. I've had it offered by some Indonesian friends, but no thanks

I use a moka pot with some water, maybe froth some milk but usu. black. I did pour over for awhile, but now just use it for camping. I cold brew sometimes, it's a good option when it's hot out.

Used a french press for years but don't like the "mouthfeel." I'd like to try an aero press but it just seems too astronomic for something as simple as coffee

Not really picky with beans, but prefer recently roasted and "earthy" more than fruity. I've got a little adjustable hand grinder that suits me just fine

tubauberalles

August 26th, 2021 at 5:02 PM ^

This whole thread and only you, beangoblue and I use a moka pot?  Unreal.  I've done some pour overs (clearly not to the level of chemical precision as many of our friends here) and also have a French press, but IMO, nothing delivers coffee like a moka pot.  Started using it after a trip to Italy and can barely stand coffee any other way.  We go with Illy Intenso, using a large moka pot to deliver two mugs of very strong coffee.  As god intended.

Recently started employing aeropress filters, having noticed my cholesterol suddenly rising and wondering if it's the diterpenes.  I guess I can report back on this experiment in a few months to see if it really was all that unfiltered black coffee...

Gulogulo37

August 26th, 2021 at 8:16 PM ^

Same. I'm definitely not a coffee aficionado, but I was at a meditation center in Italy and us workers used a Moka pot. I had never used one before. I got one when I got back. Great for making iced coffee too. The comments here do make me interested in a cold brew maker though. But I don't know. Usually the cold brew I've had, something just doesn't appeal to me in the taste, something added or missing.

beangoblue

August 26th, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^

Triple espresso with a little bit of steamed milk and 2 sweeteners. Every morning and sometimes one at night. 

Also the new Cafe Bustelo canned espresso drinks are delicious for a nice cool treat! 

MGoAlumnus

August 26th, 2021 at 3:03 PM ^

Disclosure: I'm a coffee snob.

I make pour-overs every day.  Here are my recommendations, the two most important items are:

  • High quality burr grinder.  You can't go wrong with a Baratza Encore, and then you also get the option of upgrading the burrs to effectively make it into a Virtuouso.
  • High quality paper filters.  I'd recommend Bonmac filters, but Kalita are good as well.  Essentially something made in Japan.

Less critical, but still important:

  • Some sort of goose-neck kettle.  I have a Bonavita, which I'd recommend.  Depending on the number of cups you make at once, it might be worth going for the 1.7L kettle.
  • Scales: must have item.  Weigh your beans, and then weigh the water as you brew.  That way you can aim for the standard 16:1 ratio (I actually prefer closer to 15:1, but experiment).
  • Pour over ceramic dripper: I have a couple of #2 sized ones (so I can make 2 cups at once) that have two holes at the bottom.

Let me know if you have any questions.  I can talk about this all day.

MGoAlumnus

August 26th, 2021 at 3:38 PM ^

Alright, last (unprompted) response.  Don't worry about this to start, but in 6 months when you're truly down the rabbit hole, start investigating the hardness and alkalinity of your water.  I won't go into the nitty-gritty here, but I make a concentrated solution that lines up with my city water to get the ideal levels of GH and KH.

evenyoubrutus

August 26th, 2021 at 5:37 PM ^

After I managed to talk my wife into letting me get an $850 Italian espresso machine (which is about the lowest price you'll get for a true Cafe quality machine) I hadn't even thought about the grinder until I brought it home. It was really hard to talk her into another $300 on the Encore. But yes, Baratza is the best choice for grinders. And unless you're making espresso drinks, the grinder is more important than the machine. 

Laser Wolf

August 26th, 2021 at 3:04 PM ^

We've found some of the blends sold at Costco are nearly as good as the local coffee shops and about a third of the price. I grind a light roast to medium coarse and use a standard drip coffeemaker. Nothing too special here but essential nonetheless.

Blue Vet

August 26th, 2021 at 3:10 PM ^

How do I coffee? I cough it up.

Every 5-6 years I try it, and every time I wonder, "Who willingly drinks this stuff? It tastes terrible."

But maybe it's the same as beer. Before you acquire a taste, it's vile. After acquiring a taste for it? Glorious.

jmblue

August 26th, 2021 at 4:25 PM ^

Even after you've acquired a taste for it, you'll never like all kinds of coffee.  I drink it daily but can't stand the coffee they serve at work, or at most restaurants.  (Even fancy restaurants will frequently skimp on coffee, buying terrible beans.)   There is coffee to be enjoyed, and coffee to be endured for the caffeine.

fishgoblue1

August 26th, 2021 at 3:15 PM ^

Strong coffee brewed from grounds that are freshly ground and only use bottled water.  

Oh wait that's my wife.  I'll drink whatever coffee is available at the gas station.

Blueinsconsin

August 26th, 2021 at 3:18 PM ^

I'm a hand grind and pour over guy. I have a subscription to Drink Trade (highly recommended) and get fantastic bags from awesome microroasters all over the nation. If anyone wants a discount code, let me know!

VAWolverine

August 26th, 2021 at 3:27 PM ^

Three choices:

1. Charleston Organic (medium roast) from Charleston Coffee Roasters.

2. Estate Greats (blend) from Hubbard & Cravens (Indianapolis area)

3. Falls Park Blend (medium roast) from West End Coffee Roasters (Greenville, SC)

You cannot find any caffeine on Coffee Street in Greenville, SC!

BlueMan80

August 26th, 2021 at 3:30 PM ^

When I get up in the morning, I'm barely functional enough to turn the coffee maker on.  No way I could perform the pour over ritual.

Last Christmas, I got a new DeLonghi combo coffee/espresso machine.  Regular coffee comes out just fine and the espresso side works just well enough to keep me happy.  It's got some warts, then again, I've got to get better at brewing espresso, too.

I buy all kinds of coffee, usually ground, and have an airtight aluminum container to keep ground coffee as fresh as possible.

I guess I'm a practical coffee snob.

GoBlue96

August 26th, 2021 at 3:51 PM ^

I bought a grinder but holy cow what a mess it makes.  Not worth the clean up effort.  I just have the place I buy it from grind it then I store it in a sealed container.  A bag doesn't last much more than a week with how much I drink.

evenyoubrutus

August 26th, 2021 at 4:09 PM ^

What kind of grinder? If it's a bullet grinder you're better off buying ground coffee (which is already a bad idea). 

I would recommend a Baratza. And make sure you clean it regularly. They will last 4 or 5 times longer if you keep the gears clean. Otherwise the oils in the coffee beans will gum it up.

Booted Blue in PA

August 26th, 2021 at 3:58 PM ^

tim hortons thru my bunn coffee maker....

 

i'll use a french press every once in a while on the weekend when I feel like it. I've ground beans, agree, kind of a mess and doesn't make coffee that changes my life, in other words, not worth the effort for this guy. 

 

Coffee, for times when bourbon isn't the right choice.