OT: Forged in Fire, featuring a current Michigan Student

Submitted by oriental andrew on August 2nd, 2022 at 11:01 AM

I really enjoy watching Forged in Fire on History channel. As I was catching up on the more recent episodes I had missed (don't watch weekly, usually catch up on demand), I saw that they have a new 1v1 "Gladiator of the Forge" thing happening. Basically, you have 8 hours to forge a particular weapon used from the Roman gladiator days. It's to promote some new series on History channel. 

Anyway, I saw in the 2nd episode of that series (still ongoing) that a kid named Jesse Hu was competing and that he is a 19 yo student at the University of Michigan. Being Asian, my 14 yo daughter was also super-excited (she roots for any Asian person on any TV competition - cooking, bladesmithing, singing, dating, etc.). Doing a little more research, he is part of Michigan's bladesmithing club. Yes, that's apparently actually a thing. 

https://www.jhublades.com/about

No spoilers, but it's definitely worth a watch. Jus' sayin' 

 

rc15

August 2nd, 2022 at 11:25 AM ^

oriental andrew 

Being Asian, my 14 yo daughter was also super-excited (she roots for any Asian person on any TV competition - cooking, bladesmithing, singing, dating, etc.)

I understand wanting to see more representation on people that look like yourself on TV, especially from a child. But this is mildly racist... Between that and your username, you may want to try to deemphasize the importance of race in one's self-image.

edit: "affinity bias" was probably the phrase I was looking for over "racist". My point being you should root for a contestant you have the most connection with and that shouldn't just be because they look like you.

BlueTimesTwo

August 2nd, 2022 at 11:46 AM ^

Rooting for someone with whom you have a shared connection/association is not uncommon or bad.  Like, say, pulling for him because he went to Michigan and you did too, which was the main part of the OP.

I also never realized the importance of being able to see yourself represented until my hockey-playing daughter met the US Women's Olympic hockey team and watched them play.  She always loved hockey, but seeing the women playing at such a high level was very powerful for her.  She was able to connect with them and see that she too might someday play at a high level (with lots of work, coaching and luck).

rc15

August 2nd, 2022 at 11:57 AM ^

I agree, which is why if I watched the show I would root for him because I would have more connection with him being from UM than other contestants that may look more like me. Or you develop an interest in rooting for a contestant because they play/compete how you would want to. Maybe you always root for the guy who make swords instead of knives because you think they're superior type of blade.

I just find it hard to believe that the person you feel most connected to in a show is always the person that looks the most like you. And if that's the case, maybe you're putting too much emphasis on it...

drjaws

August 2nd, 2022 at 12:52 PM ^

I just find it hard to believe that the person you feel most connected to in a show is always the person that looks the most like you

you're either trying WAYYY to hard to be the "wokest" person, or you do not understand human nature in the slightest.

it's basic human psychology that we tend to gravitate towards those that look like ourselves. this has been researched and published on ad nauseum for over 100 years. what this really "means" and whether humans are inherently "racist" because of this is debatable (and a debate I'm not going to participate in).

i find it incomprehensible that this is "hard to believe" for you.

drjaws

August 2nd, 2022 at 11:46 AM ^

dude ....... what in the actual fuck are you talking about?

i don't think you know what racist means.

there's literally nothing wrong with a minority wanting to see more minorities represented on TV, movies, radio etc. there's also nothing wrong with an asian person referring to themselves as "oriental" (god i hated typing that ... forgive me andrew and any other asians on this blog). 

oriental andrew

August 2nd, 2022 at 11:52 AM ^

I'm sure you meant well. That said, my username is intended to be ironic and there is an origin story (probably) lost to the sands of time that is blogspot. I honestly barely remember it myself, other than the fact that it was funny and relevant at the time. I'm pretty sure I related a story about how my sister would always tell people that "Oriental is a rug, not a person" but can't really recall the rest of why I yam who I yam. 

And mildly racist? It either is or it isn't racist. And this is not even close. 

rac·ist

/ˈrāsəst/

adjective

  1. prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

Now that this thread has gone sufficiently off the rails....

lol

rc15

August 2nd, 2022 at 12:02 PM ^

First, I want to know who wrote that and thought that /ˈrāsəst/ was going to help me with the pronunciation over just the spelling. I'm sorry, I don't know what a backwards upside e sounds like.

Second, racist was probably the wrong word... "affinity bias" was the more appropriate phrase I was looking for.

Also, didn't look down the post first to realize I was going to be the first comment. If I had I probably wouldn't have commented to completely change the direction of where this post went...

oriental andrew

August 2nd, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^

You're well-intentioned, which I appreciate, but also off base. You're coming to conclusions based on limited information and making your own set of assumptions through your own biases. I'm sure you can see prejudice and destructive bias if you squint hard enough, but that inserts ones own presuppositions rather than taking something at face value. 

I've facilitated enough DE&I related seminars and worked with organizations to help build their DE&I strategies to have a pretty good sense of what's what.

We can all do better and I can see where you might raise an eyebrow at my username, but you also have to realize that this is a message board and that usernames are very often made up with some sense of humor behind it. We're not going to ostracize Hotel Putingrad for being a supporter of the Putin and Russia's war on Ukraine b/c it's clear that was a joke. Similarly, my username was in jest and I would hope that it's fairly apparent that I don't take it or myself too seriously. 

As for affinity bias, it isn't a bad word. We all have biases. In fact, you just demonstrated it yourself - you root for Americans in the Olympics. If you're of Polish background (of whom there are many here in the Chicago area), perhaps you root for Poland, also. Or Indian-Americans rooting for India. Or Mexican-Americans rooting for Mexico. That's no different than an Asian-American rooting for other Asian-Americans. Or a teenager rooting for another teenager. Or a Michigan alum rooting for the Michigan student.

rc15

August 2nd, 2022 at 2:19 PM ^

I likely overread into "she roots for any Asian person on any TV competition" comment. And then happened to see your username and made it seem as though race was the only thing that matters, when like you said they are usually just a humorful reference. Racist was definitely the wrong word, I chose to add an edit instead of removing it since so many others had already commented.

Agree that affinity isn't necessarily a bad thing, but you just need to be aware of it. I root for Americans because I know next to nothing about the athletes, and just have a flag next to a name. I root for Simone Biles more than other Americans/gymnasts because I've heard of her mental health struggles. If there was a Chinese/French/Russian athlete that I heard about and identified with for some reason, I'd root for them. But NBC usually only talks about/interviews/does backstories on our athletes, so it reinforces your nationalistic affinity.

While who you root for in a show doesn't really matter, but willingness to make connections with people that may not look like you does. At some point I'd think your daughter would think "this 70 year old Indian guy is just like me, I want him to win." But I also do understand wanting to see more representation of people like yourself, and when you start a show and they show you 20 new candidates, the first thing you can judge off of is their appearance (I always want the idiot that shows up to Survivor in a suit to be the first voted out). My point was that if that is the only thing she judges, or can only feel comfortable around people that look like her, it could cause her to miss out on some relationships in her future.

DetroitBlue

August 2nd, 2022 at 12:17 PM ^

Holy shit - how many more pointless distinctions and justifications are you going to draw before you just shut the fuck up? Your post and the rationale behind it were blitheringly idiotic, why don’t you just sit the rest of this one out and stop digging yourself a bigger hole. 

Cock D

August 2nd, 2022 at 5:01 PM ^

BRO - DO YOU EVEN SCHWA?!?!?!?!

 

the schwa is a reduced, neutral vowel sound written as an upside-down and backwards e, ə, in the International Phonetic Alphabet (the universal chart of symbols, representing all the sounds languages make)

MGlobules

August 2nd, 2022 at 1:18 PM ^

I have an adopted brown daughter (my wife and I are white). I have learned an incredible lot watching and listening to her. Your comment is so breezy and vapid that it's almost not worth responding to, but since I signed in to respond to Andrew I will place my comment here: I hear you, Andrew. 

When it came time to enroll my daughter in school, thirteen years ago, we had a dilemma--the school she was zoned for had received a C grade that spring, and also looked problematic to us. It was one of those not-so-uncommon American schools with a white middle class population and a poor Black one. The white kids (generally) traipsed in one door to the fast-track classes while the Black kids tended to languish. We worried that our VERY shy brown daughter was going to get lost in the mix. (Lots to say about all this, of course, but I'll leave it at that.) 

So we sent her to the fairly upper crust local private school, pretty darned white, that a lot of our fellow academics were sending their kids to, and for a while, she flourished. But--here's where R2D2 and his breezy assertion, above, comes in. When we asked her for five years running who her favorite teachers were, what did she say? The one Black teacher and the Black gym teacher. 

What did her white father think this meant? The same thing that all of her questions about race meant: that in a very white world, she was feeling challenged to figure it all out. That places with little or no Black or other racial representation, however white or liberal, were problematic--that she was looking for people like her. That it f*cking mattered, in a way that might not have been obvious to me or R2D2. Eventually, in fact, my daughter wanted out of the place, and we were able to successfully move her into the local IB prep junior high, where she openly expressed her love for the fact that there were people who 'look like me' around her.

If R2D2 thinks my daughter's a racist, pretty obviously, he's an idiot. In fact, there's an assumption buried in his breezy, presumptuous white people 'advice' to Andrew that's worth noting--namely, the idea that people should just give up their difference on the way to some homogeneous (to me fucking lifeless) melanin-challenged world where the standard is R2D2's. No, R2D2, this time for this sh*t has passed. New world coming whether you and yours like it or not. Stop lecturing people about what they should see or feel, how they should conform to your bullsh*t. 

Andrew, I know you can speak for yourself--you did so quite ably above. I yield the floor to you and to everyone else. 

 

TruBluMich

August 2nd, 2022 at 1:09 PM ^

I watch this weekly, and I'll say this. Keep watching you won't be disappointed. He's very talented and easily one of the best time managers I have ever seen on that show.

oriental andrew

August 2nd, 2022 at 1:26 PM ^

Agree on the time management comment. I love that Dave Baker regularly says that Jesse will sometimes find himself in a tricky spot, but always focuses on the right things. Or when his opponent is standing around waiting for his billet to weld, Jesse is running around prepping other things. He is so well-organized, planful, and makes great decisions.