OT: Big 12 expansion seemingly down to BYU, Cincinnati, Houston
Nothing says Southwest like Cincinnati!
Source: BYU Big 12's No. 1 overall. Oklahoma wants Cincy. Texas of course wants Houston. Don't be surprised if compromise is Cincy & Houston
— Jason Williams (@jwilliamscincy) August 7, 2016
Well, Cincinnati is further west than West Virginia, and just about as far south...
But seriously, these are the only candidates that are even remotely plausible. Every other school considered (e.g. USF, UCF) doesn't have nearly enough of a following to pull their weight in a P5 conference.
Morgantown, WV is actually further north than Cincinnati. So you could in fact say UofC is southwest of University of West Virginia.
if we're talking about attendance. Houston would be added because of Texas politics. Cincinnati opens up a new recruiting area and has a decent track record for football, but is hardly a slam dunk candidate.
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They should probably get rid of that ridiculous rule if they want to be a part of a big-time conference.
Forsake the beliefs of your religion for the sake of a game. Makes sense!
Well joepa forsaked human decency and his moral compass for the sake of his football legacy.
BTW, FUCK penn state and all their delusional joepa loving fans!!!
Uh, you're clearly not arguing that that was OK, so what's your point?
East German Judge has no point, he just likes to shitpost
August 8th, 2016 at 10:31 PM ^
LF, the point is that people and oorganizations often do counterintuitive things to achieve their over archings goals.
Why is it ridiculous, and why is it some kind of massive barrier to scheduling? College football never plays on Sunday. College basketball on Sundays is easily avoided. About the only real issue in major sports is baseball, but it's very common for baseball series to go Thursday-Saturday for various reasons. The NCAA miraculously figured out how to include BYU in March Madness, it seems like it shouldn't be that hard for the Big 12 to figure things out too.
I think you vastly underestimate Texas' ego in all of this. They aren't going to cowtow to anyone...Let alone BYU. Keep in mind all of the tournaments the Big 12 would have to schedule around Sunday for BYU. Which would vastly alter a lot of students being able to attend those events because they won't be able to schedule games (baseball, volleyball, basketball, soccer, softball etc.) BYU is going to have to start to give on the issue of Sundays if they want a seat at the Power 5 table. Simple as that.
I don't think it's a massive barrier to scheduling, but it's an added barrier that you can easily avoid.
I don't believe there is a sizable difference in quality between UH, BYU, and UC, so why add extra barriers when you don't need to?
Similar to how Utah had to outlaw polygamy in 1895 in order to become a state!
What are they going to do when Texas and Oklahoma join the B1G WEST though?
Oklahoma: OK.
Texas: No.
Oklahoma state legislature will likely throw their weight around to make sure both schools went together. They will renew their rivalry with Nebraska and still have the Texas game in October as their one marquee OOC game. I've been pulling for a late November tripleheader of Bedlam, The Game and Iowa/Wisconsin since the expansion talk renewed this summer.
People said the same thing in earlier rounds of conference expansion... that Texas and Texas A & M were a package deal.
Texas legislature threatened, or was rumored to, to get involved.
So if precedent means anything, I'm not holding my breath that OU and OSU have to go together.
I am thinking it will be Kansas and Oklahoma, the basketball will be great, and Nebraska will have some friends. Hopefully in the next 5 years Kansas gets better than dreadful at football.
I don't have any friends on counterstrike or anything.
I think Kansas is bigger in Kansas City than Mizzou, but other than that, not really.
To be fair, nothing says Southwest Ohio more than Cincinnati.
I don't think they fly into that airport.
Thank you Delta for that one.
Also thank you Delta for today's enormous computer snafu --- none of my colleagues made it into town!
Cincinatti would be good for West Virginia's sake. They're actually close to each other and could make a convenient rivalry down the line.
Also, would love another P5 school in Ohio to maybe sap some of OSU's pull eventually
Cincy is more likely to hurt msu, and frankly our ability to pull the guys out of ohio than it is to pull top guys from osu. It took a bad 5 year run by Texas before they didn't get the entire top 10 fo texas to comitt as juniors and A&M was a legitimate program for a long time. When is the last time OSU had a bad 5 year run?
I mean hell we've been mediocre or worse for nearly a decade and its coincided with msu's best 10 year stretch ever and we still wipe the floor with them on the recruiting side of things.
San Diego St. would get considered but I guess that was never the case, SDSU has around 35,000 students and a big TV market and the CA recruiting avenues, oh well.
I suppose any 2 of the 3 schools mentioned would work IMO.
Seriously, they should add penn state then they and baylor could play a rivalry game for the "Perv Trophy".
BTW, FUCK penn state and all their delusional joepa loving fans!!!
Sounds like compromise just means giving Oklahoma and Texas what they want.
Maryland & Rutgers... or Cinci & Houston. Kind of the same -- two really nondescript options, done for expansion's sake, but not because of an actual desire to add those particular schools.
Well, at least we have a new #1 rival with Rutgers.
came from a Power 5 conference
no team will leave a Power 5 conference for the Big 12 - too unstable
Except that Cinci and Houston are not the MD/VA/DC and NYC/NJ media areas.
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Does that matter 5 years from now? If the Big Ten didn't haave some crippled idiot running it, they wuld realize TV mrkets won't matter five years from now.
Or else TV markets will matter more than ever....
bump Purdue to the East
Texas won't give up Longhorn Network and that is a deal breaker for B1G
adding Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the B1G West would round out the conference nicely
Can't see Ok State ever in the B1G, but Oklahoma in the west would be great. It wouldn't surprise me if this is discussed between the two parties when their negotiations get closer. Oklahoma and Kansas wouldn't be bad additions. I think we will want more teams in the East/Southeast though.
As tough as it would be to imagine Oklahoma and Texas ever broken up, being in an elite academic conference with boatloads of cash and security is hard to pass up--not to mention the bonus of rekindling things with Nebraska and being associated with a lot more traditional powers and top public schools.
Why does Texas want another instate B12 school? TCU has already been outperforming them and A&M is taking recruits to the SEC. Do they think this will help the LHN?
Well there are some political reasons for Texas wanting UofH. Texas recently bought a large parcel of land near the Medical Center here to build a satellite campus/facility of sorts and UofH got wind of it and aiming to block it.
It would seem through some backdoor channeling the word is UofH would step aside if Texas gives their blessing or helps them get into the Big 12:
http://www.hookem.com/story/texas-lawmakers-line-support-houstons-bid-j…
At some point Texas will get it together and again become the top dog in a very large state with tons of HS football talent.
That's the thing......Texas doesn't have to be on top in the State for recruiting. There is enough top talent here that Texas could take 25 of the top kids in the state and there still would be talented enough kids to go around. They were the top dog this last recruiting cycle surging to a Top 10 class on signing day and then moved up a couple more spots once the Baylor defections were accounted for.
Just as an example....look at how many Texas kids OU and LSU have already for the 2017 cycle. Its ridiculous. But...when its all said and done....provided a decent to a good season...Texas is still projected to finish strong in the state and has an outside chancce at some out of state kids as well.
Texas' issue is the Longhorn Network. That seems to be the stumbling block and Texas won't budge off of it. Nor should it. Just like Notre Dame won't give up its NBC money to move to conference. Texas has some arrogance....I can see some of the powers that be want to move to be independent and schedule accordingly. Doubt it will happen...but I'm sure the thought has crossed their minds.
I thought that ND makes considerably less from its contract with NBC than it would if it were a B1G school.