OSU Snowflakes - The Coaching
November 30th, 2019 at 4:49 PM ^
Step back from the ledge, people. There are only about 5 coaches in the country that would stand a chance of beating this OSU team. Do you really think UM stands a chance of getting one of them?
Sure they made mistakes on both sides of the ball, coaching included, but UM wasn't going to win this game even if they had played a perfect game. Coaching can make up for some talent difference, but it's too much to ask against 5*s all over the field.
Let's check back on Jan 14th and see if anyone found the answer and what their talent level is.
November 30th, 2019 at 7:08 PM ^
5 coaches ?
You mean like James Fucking Franklin, Mark Douchebag Dantonio, Jeff Roidhead Brohm, and Kirk Imwearingdepends Ferentz? cus they've all beaten OSU since 2015.
The choices aren't just Lincoln Choke Riley and Dabo Godsgift Swinney that can catch lightning in a bottle.
Yes, we get their best focus each year, and this year OSU is stacked. This frustration is years in the making, not just about today's team.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:07 PM ^
Which of those five coaches you named above would you like to see replace Harbaugh?
I'll go with Harbaugh over each and every one of those five.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
Let me guess; when you're not posting here, you like to take long hot baths in a tub full of herbal-scented ten win seasons.
For a couple seasons, at their peak, I'd take ANY of the above 5 coaches if they could beat OSU, win the Big Ten and possibly (but not necessarily guarantee ) make the playoff.
My point is that you don't have to be a fucking Jim Harbaugh to beat OSU (lol obviously). You can find a creative, tough, smart coach anywhere if you look hard enough and are will to take some chances.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:33 PM ^
Uh, Harbaugh has a winning record against all of them except 1-1 vs Ferentz. So they are incapable of beating Harbaugh but somehow better?
November 30th, 2019 at 11:31 PM ^
For a couple of seasons here & there damn right they were better!
Do you need to take a peek in Dantonio and Franklin's trophy cases to see what a B1G trophy actually looks like? Holy fuck, those coaches didn't just beat OSU, they beat URBAN MEYER!
Only Lloyd Carr did that when Urban was on his way out in Florida.
Don't get me wrong, both of those coaches are assholes that I wouldn't want long term. But somehow they found a way to beat OSU (2x for MSU) and win the B1g.
Dantonio is a pathetic shell of what he was and has thankfully ruined MSU, but State hasn't a fraction of the resources that M has and he beat OSU with Tressel/Meyer castoffs and 3*s.
It can be done.
Michigan is so terrified of going 3-9 again (or even 6-6) that they will never take the risks necessary to achieve greatness.
"Program Stability" has become a ball and chain on the ankle of this program.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:49 PM ^
Fire the recruiting coordinator. The recruiting has been weak, regarding balance. Ask Brown to leave, not a good look to fire. Have Partridge take over D. It’s a systemic fail. Harbaugh is better than Rhule. That will be evident eventually. The shiny thing crowd is wrong.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:50 PM ^
Don’t give up yet. Harbaugh still has his annual bowl game to lose.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:50 PM ^
Fire the recruiting coordinator. The recruiting has been weak, regarding balance. Ask Brown to leave, not a good look to fire. Have Partridge take over D. It’s a systemic fail. Harbaugh is better than Rhule. That will be evident eventually. The shiny thing crowd is wrong.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:56 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh is a stone cold loser who needs to move on. Get a coach who will do what it takes to get the fucking athletes to compete on an elite level. This is total fucking bullshit.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:04 PM ^
I am not sure why people are surprised? It was clear going into the game OSU has no weaknesses. Michigan didn’t play well and I don’t see them ever beating OSU ever again. It doesn’t matter who the coach is for Michigan they will never be able to compete with OSU.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:05 PM ^
Need a more imagantive ground game. Running through the middle of that OSU def line did not cut it.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:06 PM ^
Need a more imagantive ground game. Running through the middle of that OSU def line did not cut it.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^
It's simple, fire Don Brown. He can't get it done, he's had 4 years.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:54 PM ^
... and higher. We lost this game in the first half because the team beat itself. That's on Jimbo. He's gone. Thank God. This is stalled, boring, and way too common. Cut bait. But I see a raise coming. Warde has raisens in his pants.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:20 PM ^
Sure, there is a talent disparity, but if you flip rosters Harbaugh would still find a way to lose. There's a fine line between a wrinkle and being too cute, this staff resides firmly on the too cute side each week.
Harbaugh's message doesn't seem to resonate with this team. Each week they make mental mistakes that disciplined, well-coached teams don't. And that has nothing to do with talent.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:48 PM ^
Agreed. It's coaching. We have enough talent to win at least once. Malzahn has beat Bama twice even Tom Herman and Charlie Strong managed to beat OU. The talent gaps between those rosters is perhaps much wider than M OSU. You have to win against THE RIVAL. Not every year or even half the time , but you can't go 0 for 5.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:23 PM ^
Harbaugh and Brown need to go. Period. The recruiting is abysmal at this point and will not close the gap to the professional teams. The BCS and CFP established that this is professional, not college, football. 4-6 teams are running their programs that way; Michigan still acts like the 5 stars show up to get degrees not drafted.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:45 PM ^
Yeah, it's pretty clear OSU has been owning the trenches for years. And the 2020 class is totally devoid of top 250 OT/OG/DTs... which, five years in? Really? Wasn't Harbaugh pulling in road graders at Stanford? What gives?
He's being paid at a level that demands better results on the trail. Period. He's landed a few here and there, but far TOO few if he's being paid to compete with OSU and for NCs. Blame all the mistakes we want, Dobbins danced into the endzone all day. Fields was barely pressured. UM couldn't sustain any kind of rushing attack. That's just the big uglies taking care of business.
Until the trenches shore up, IF they shore up, the annual beating will continue. That's just football.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:28 PM ^
We are essentially Oklahoma State, Texas, Tennessee, insert above mediocre team...
I guess if y'all are happy paying our coaches top dollar for this product, enjoy.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:29 PM ^
Recruiting is part of coaching. We are light years behind OSU in talent. It’s not close. The gap between top 3 and 10th is bigger than the gap between 10th and 35th most seasons. Next season OSU has a chance to start 8 Five Stars on offense, 8!
November 30th, 2019 at 7:51 PM ^
That's appalling. I said something similar earlier in a different thread. We're not even coming close next year with that, AND the game being at their house.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:46 PM ^
Our coaching staff still doesn't seem to understand how football is being played in this era. We're too conservative on offense and too aggressive on defense. We are regularly handcuffing ourselves and costing ourselves points. We probably weren't going to win today no matter what the staff did but we didn't even give ourselves a chance.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^
Coaching. Year 6. PSD due in Jan for this SH#$ show. If this was on your watch, you'd be fired. Answer. Anyone else. We could get this at half the price.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^
Recruiting is what it is. You don’t win big games, kids don’t want to play for you. So tired of the recruiting argument. That isn’t the reason our staff makes Boneheaded decisions each game. Like someone said earlier, gets too cute and overthinks stuff. Yes, OSU beats us. Yes they have more talent. What will you guys say about PSU and Wisconsin loss? Florida last year + ND? Iowa couple years ago? OSU is top 5 recruiting, rest I said are on par or below us. Reality is we are a bad coached team. Basketball program has no problem showing up for big games, they run into the same recruiting questions.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^
This coaching staff is a complete disappointment. AGAIN they have proven, they are completely inept against any real competition. This program has neither the coaching, recruitment or preparation skills to compete at the highest level. Michigan has become and as long as Harbaugh and company are here will remain a second rate program.
If this is the best Michigan will be by not stepping up like the top programs do and getting the best players, then paying a coach 7-8 Million a year isn't worth it. Brady Hoke was a better coach against OSU.
Don is an embarrassment to this program, he should be fired immediately. He's all talk and no production. The secondary is slow and almost always out of position and there was no stopping Dobbins all day. BROWN IS USELESS!! Fire that loudmouth NOW!!!
Take Harbaugh with you.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:50 PM ^
So where is Jim taking the team next year for the annual spring trip?
Should be to Columbus Ohio so they can learn the game of football, instead of some posh country where they learn nothing about the game of football.
November 30th, 2019 at 7:40 PM ^
Rio. I think they're going to Rio.
November 30th, 2019 at 8:51 PM ^
I stand corrected. They will learn something about futball in Rio.
December 1st, 2019 at 1:51 AM ^
"So where is Jim taking the team next year for the annual spring trip?"
Should take them to Indianapolis, it's the only way a Harbaugh coached team will ever see it.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:52 PM ^
118 points over two years given up on defense to OSU.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:55 PM ^
No it is not ok .. but watching this game the players also need to play, play as mistake free as you can, not make stupid penalties when you play the #1 team regardless of their name.
In truth I loved the shoe penalty (I actually laughed and then said to myself they shouldn't have done that) and didn't mind #44 hitting the QB a little out of bounds. We all despise OSU and I like when things are a little out of the norm but it's not like they needed more help.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:02 PM ^
Pretty certain there will be turnover on the staff again. Maybe as many as 3.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:09 PM ^
No way Warde has the balls to fire Harbaugh, so I guess Don Brown leaving is the next best thing. His system is so predictable and Day owns him.
November 30th, 2019 at 7:04 PM ^
It starts with the HC. I know one thing for sure, he's no Bo
November 30th, 2019 at 7:19 PM ^
Can’t see Partridge coming back
November 30th, 2019 at 7:23 PM ^
Don Brown, RB coach....
November 30th, 2019 at 10:32 PM ^
Mork might make Don Brown the RB coach, but not here
November 30th, 2019 at 8:38 PM ^
Hopefully we will turn over some of our “insiders” while we are at it.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:04 PM ^
Just curious; Nick Saban realized that he could never get over the hump at MSU and left for LSU. I seem to recall him insinuating at the time that Michigan‘s presence made the hump insurmountable. Does Harbaugh believe that he will get over the hump relative to OSU?
November 30th, 2019 at 6:03 PM ^
To blame the coaches for this loss is unfair. OSU dominated both lines of scrimmage, its receivers caught the passes thrown to them, we could not get to Fields, Dobbins had a great game and our DBs let their receivers run free (Hill was not nearly as good this year as he was last year, at least not when I've been watching). Meanwhile, Nordin missed the first extra point (had to be the kind of thing that subconsciously made the players think "Oh no, not again ..."), Patterson dropped a snap at a crucial time, Hudson jumped offside at a time it was the last possible thing we needed, McGrone hit Fields out-of-bounds for no earthly reason, two guys untied Dobbins' shoe (pretty sure that wasn't coached) and then our WRs started dropping every pass thrown their way. This one is on the players, but they fought the whole game. It's always great to be a Michigan Wolverine except when reading the postgame whining.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:53 PM ^
Having the line dominated on both sides IS a coaching issue. Because coaches need to recruit (far) better. And likely teach the game better. And maybe train better. And scheme better. And on and on. Look at the 2020 class, where are the big nasties to compete with OSU anytime soon?
November 30th, 2019 at 7:13 PM ^
EXACTLY !! The recruiting has been disappointing. Everybody keeps pointing how our 2019 class was rated higher but it took taking 10 more players or so to do it. OSU still had the 3rd highest rating / player and their 2020 class will finish in the top 5 again. I really believe Harbaugh is having a hard time impressing parents with some of his strange antics and doings
November 30th, 2019 at 7:13 PM ^
EXACTLY !! The recruiting has been disappointing. Everybody keeps pointing how our 2019 class was rated higher but it took taking 10 more players or so to do it. OSU still had the 3rd highest rating / player and their 2020 class will finish in the top 5 again. I really believe Harbaugh is having a hard time impressing parents with some of his strange antics and doings
December 1st, 2019 at 4:02 PM ^
This right here. Not sure why so many on here try to separate execution from coaching. Execution is part talent, part coaching. Coaching in college also involves recruiting - i.e. bringing in the talent.
If you have better talent and better coaching, you get better execution.
December 2nd, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^
Eliminating unforced errors definitely is part of coaching. Those lapses of competence by very competent athletes can be minimized by coaching technique; not just repetition in practice, but by psychological applications. The muffed punt by OSU's Wilson occurred because, as a freshman, he hasn't been inoculated yet by the OSU staff. This type of coaching is a deficiency in JH's staff. A wildly talented WR corps, like DPJ, Collins, Bell, etc should never deliver such embarrassing results as they did in the second half of this game. Self-inflicted errors can be coached into near-extinction.
I cringe at the juvenile whining about losing this game because OSU is paying recruits. Sad, whining crybabies.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:03 PM ^
You can’t coach a line of scrimmage that moves 5 yds down field at the snap. You can coach a safety to be deep as the deepest. I think we saw what should have been a 10 pt loss on talent turn into a laugher on coaching/culture (discipline, dumbass mistakes). Hard to see this getting better ever.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:04 PM ^
You can’t coach a line of scrimmage that moves 5 yds down field at the snap. You can coach a safety to be deep as the deepest. I think we saw what should have been a 10 pt loss on talent turn into a laugher on coaching/culture (discipline, dumbass mistakes). Hard to see this getting better ever.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:30 PM ^
- Shea doesn't fumble the snap, +3 UM
- Hudson doesn't jump offside -7 OSU
- DPJ catches the TD +4 UM
Mich is up by 2 at halftime instead of down 12.
Haskins follows his block on 4th and 1, he likely gets caught in OSU territory with Mich down 1 point. It could have been a competitive game, but not with those mistakes.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:04 PM ^
You can’t coach a line of scrimmage that moves 5 yds down field at the snap. You can coach a safety to be deep as the deepest. I think we saw what should have been a 10 pt loss on talent turn into a laugher on coaching/culture (discipline, dumbass mistakes). Hard to see this getting better ever.