One departure.......unexpected...
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:20 PM ^
umbig11 anything new on Kingston Davis?
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:23 PM ^
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February 3rd, 2017 at 8:00 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:40 PM ^
Guessing it's Kugler.
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:10 PM ^
me too
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:47 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:55 PM ^
Not sure why you would even need someone to verify this for you. Onwenu doesn't even make sense here.
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:26 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 9:35 PM ^
He's an in-state lineman and projected starter. Not homesick and not a problem with playing time. The other options would be academic and legal trouble. He was at the Orange Bowl so he is eligible. No legal trouble has been reported anywhere.
The OP made this sound like someone was transferring by choice as well so it would most likely apply to someone that does not want to be at Michigan anymore. And on our list of linemen, Onwenu is among the least likely for this story to apply to.
February 3rd, 2017 at 10:48 PM ^
Where was it confirmed that both players are departing because of family issues or playing time? I may be wrong. I just asked a question. And though you wrote very little, already, you are conflating and assuming.
February 4th, 2017 at 12:25 AM ^
Clearly the OP does not want to name the OL at this time. You didn't ask a question. You just threw another name out there for him to confirm after he already said no about Cole & Bredeson.
Nothing is confirmed until after the fact. But there are common reasons why players leave programs, and the point I was making is that Onwenu does not fit them at this time. And why is the burden of proof on me? At least, my reasoning makes sense. What possible reason do you even see Onwenu leaving the program? Why is this even a concern for you besides the OP mentioning an OL leaving? Does Onwenu seem more likely compared to the rest of the returning OL?
February 4th, 2017 at 8:00 AM ^
I don't think we know enough to speak about true probabilities. You are making guesses. And assumptions. Maybe these guesses will prove correct, but, as they include weakly rooted assumptions, you will have guessed correctly for incorrect reasons. You could say the same for my concern that it is Onwenu.
The difference here: I'm acknowledging that and trying to assume nothing.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:14 AM ^
1. Onwenu is a projected starter; a true freshman OL who got playing time. Playing time is not a reason for a transfer. In fact, playing time is a big reason why it is most likely not him.
2. Onwenu is from Detroit Cass Tech, a hometown kid from a pipeline school. Who is the last Cass Tech kid who left Michigan for any reason? Boubecar Cissoko? And he didn't even leave by his own choice. He got into legal trouble. This also rules out things like homesickness and family emergencies.
3. We have no reason to believe that Onwenu is in academic or legal trouble. Who is the last Cass Tech kid to transfer out of Michigan for academic reasons? Most of the kids from that high school come pretty prepared for college.
This is not just some blind guess or weakly rooted assumptions. It is thinking which you refuse to do. Insiders have to post stuff many times without names because that is how they continue to get information. But it is lazy to just start listing off players' names like you are and trying to get the OP to continue to refute them until you are satisified. There is not one good reason to even think it would be Onwenu. So why even bring it up?
February 4th, 2017 at 9:36 AM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 7:09 PM ^
This is the answer I was punching for (it's humble and true).
I agree Onwenu is perceived as less likely to leave than other OL. But perception and reality make a routine of matching imperfectly. And even if Occam is generally correct, it facilitates assumptions. Maybe they are good assumptions. I was just eager to see a person other than myself to recognize -- irrespective of whether he thinks they are good assumptions --that they *are* assumptions.
"Maybe" is a much wiser word than "certainly," etc.
I try to choose to be a wise coward when given the opportunity between than and a brave fool. Of course, brave fools, by actually moving to claim things, have the luxury of being right more often than the wise coward who claims nothing. But as a personal philosophy, the principle here is what matters to me.
Hidden variables are real. For as far as I know, Onwenu had a severe case of disliking Harbaugh which onset the eve before umbig's OP. Or a sudden urge to quit school and football to be a hermit in the wilderness. Or is heartsick from a break-up or recently woke up without friends.
Obviously these are borderline insane examples. Less ridiculous examples are also extant. Those and these add up as unlikely. And that's the point of my original post. I have no absolute certainty that Onwenu would return.
It seems other outsiders, like LaB, likewise have no such certainty.
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:06 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:38 PM ^
Bredeson or Cole didn't make sense to begin with seeing Cole could have left for the NFL Draft and Bredeson was interviewed at Signing of the Stars. Runyan Jr seems unlikely given the legacy connection. Doubt it is Onwenu. Probably not Newsome given his current injury situation.
When I saw this, I was thinking Patrick Kugler. If not Kugler, then Spanellis or Ulizio.
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:42 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:46 PM ^
Bushell-Beatty and Kugler are the only other two to have started games. I assumed Bushell-Beatty would wait until after graduating. Transferring before graduating would cost you a year.
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:47 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:49 PM ^
Possibly, but I doubt anyone would make that determination now. Most of the reports have oscillated between being ready for this fall or 2018, but no one has even brought up career-ending lately.
And I doubt he would transfer during his rehab.
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:21 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:37 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 4:41 PM ^
OR Ben Mason
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:25 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:38 PM ^
why would anyone start a thread with no information at all. just to sound important? jeez look at me , i knew something you didnt know. how stupid. even if you are correct your reason for doing it is stupid.
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:41 PM ^
umbig11 has provided numerous and accurate pieces of information regarding the team.
He is warning us now so we know of the possible outcomes.
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:50 PM ^
so a random comment from an osu person, is enough? then everyone else starts comeing to conclusions and guessing at what and who may or may not be happening. weird.
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:03 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:14 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:48 PM ^
It has nothing to do with a tweet by a random buckeye fan. He's connected to the team. How you don't know this, and have been here since '08 I don't know.
February 3rd, 2017 at 9:05 PM ^
1600 points is pretty low for someone who's been here since 2008 though. umbig11 has been posting insider stuff for what? 4 months?
Then again, maybe all his posts get downvoted a lot and that's why his points are so low for someone who's been here so long.
February 4th, 2017 at 6:53 AM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 7:23 AM ^
is relevant to all as to cumulation of points. I have also been a member, technically, since 2008, but it is not unusual for me to stay away from site for over a year. A lot of time spent on site is dependent on what else is going on in one's life. Whereas some might spend every free moment here, others might just take a peek now and then during periods of signiiicant change w/in the program,etc. I do know since JH's hiring I don't think I've been away for a period exceeding 6 months. Hell, it took me a long time just to find the site and realize it was the best site, imo, availabe to UM fans.
February 3rd, 2017 at 9:57 PM ^
I've been here for like 3 months and already know UMbig is an insider. That guy must be incredibly dense
February 4th, 2017 at 2:28 AM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 9:14 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:46 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:50 PM ^
I don't speak for everyone, but you are more than welcome to post your inside info here.
We all thought you were gone for good. Like TomVH style gone.
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:12 PM ^
Gone like yesterday.
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:00 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^
At the same time, you can't expect every single reader/poster on here to automatically know who you are. And even moreso get uppity when they call it into question.
Particularly when to the uninitated it looks verbatim to what trolling is by definition.
February 3rd, 2017 at 7:49 PM ^
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February 3rd, 2017 at 8:12 PM ^
i didnt say it was impossible, but so many things are said before any real proof is given. just because some random person says it doesnt mean it is true. i dont know asiasi, and i have not heard anything from anybody close to him, so why guess about it?
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:14 PM ^
February 3rd, 2017 at 9:38 PM ^