Ohio State and Online Academics
ESPN article where Marcus Freeman former Ohio assistant coach now head coach at ND mentions players at ND have to actually show up for class every day where at Ohio not so much.
Interesting that Coach Freemen is walking back the statements when I distinctly remember Justin Fields while at Ohio mentioning not having to go to class.
I understand that Michigan and ND offer classes that are helpful to the student athlete and admission standards help, etc. However is it safe to conclude that although walking back the statements Coach Freeman is actually spot on and that Ohio is simply the SEC of the B1G.
Is there a right or wrong here?
I'm pretty sure OSU is already an associate member of the SEC based on other recruiting practices (cars, tats and so on) regardless of whether they play school or not.
And half of the people here would like to join.
two opposing schools getting in a war-of-words and throwing shade at each other ....... 95% of the time it is dumb and meaningless, but still entertaining.
This likely the same thing. Also witness TAM and Alabama just last month.
The entire argy bargy is effing ridiculous, but you're right its entertaining as hell. ND & OSU going after each other in the press is priceless. I may even get on 11 warriors just to see the absolutely pooh throwing monkey meltdown.
Going to be fun on Sept. 3rd.
Yeah, normally I'd agree it's somewhat meaningless but the fact these 2 schools kick off their season opener at Notre Dame means there's going to be a little fire going into this game.
And, after all, one of these teams has to lose so that's at a very fun consolation prize at the very least!
There's still a slight chance for the meteor to wipe them both out.
Game is in Columbus, and I believe it won’t be particularly close (big OSU win). The only thing that the ND game has me worried about is that they’re now focusing on Freeman’s comments and they’ll somehow forget about Michigan’s comments after the game that was prime bulletin board material.
You OSU fans said the same thing before the early Sept. game last year when Thibodeaux-less Oregon came in a beat your ass in Columbus.
Only kidding PB, not sure why the board is being particularly neg happy tonight...most of us know you are one of the good OSU posters here.
Lmao we deserve all the shit in the world for that loss. God that was miserable.
Agreed, a little extra spicy given the schedule but also because Freeman is AN OSU ALUMNI! I think that makes it even more hilarious. He’s basically saying, “I graduated from a football factory where academics aren’t important” which is kind of a weird flex, it’s not like he went to Cambridge and was crapping on osu from that lofty academic perch.
Well, he's a highly paid football coach so he doesn't really have to protect the integrity of his degree, but yeah, spicy!
We need to hear from Gordon Gee on this.
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State president Gordon Gee abruptly announced his retirement Tuesday after he came under fire for jokingly referring to "those damn Catholics" at Notre Dame and poking fun at the academic quality of other schools.Jun 4, 2013
The only difference is it's not two schools going at it, it's Freeman stirring shit up repeatedly to try and gain support from the ND faithful, then walking back his comments when he realizes he's just feeding OSU BB material, and they aren't responding to it.
Freeman better have his guys ready to go come 9/3. Otherwise this offseason chatter is not going to sit well.
I don't love Notre Dame, but I do support the heightened shade it is directing at OSU. And of course its academics have this deficit. Especially for their average revenue athlete.
According to a recent Board post, OSU is ranked #140 vs. Notre Dame at #243 in terms of global university rankings. Just sayin...
Are you saying that this isn't "hating" but "describing, coming from one who'd know?"
Yessir! Just describing the facts...LOL!
Marcus Freeman is actually accomplishing something that anyone who knows me would have previously said was not possible... he is somehow tilting my "sports hate" (as opposed to real hate which I do my best to avoid at all costs) away from Ohio State towards Notre Dame.
I want OSU to be up 59-0 at the end of Q3 against Notre Dame in September and then punch one last TD in the 4th quarter just so they can go for 2.
Hold on, you prefer OSU to ND?
That's just wrong.
All I can say is that I want OSU to trounce ND. The heart wants what it wants.
Now, and forever, fuck OSU. No other school will ever approach my "sports hate" for that school.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Your heart is betraying you.
For 4 hours on 3 Sep, we're all Rudy!
We're all offsides?
We're all the worst sports movie ever made?
Always want OSU to lose. Full stop. But realistically they’ll probably blow the doors of ND week 1 at the horseshoe and I won’t necessarily mind because Notre Dame has been pissing me off on the recruiting trail. It’s honestly a win-win because whoever loses will make for some great schadenfreude.
I agree with you. Normally, an OSU loss is a great thing for UM but in this case an OSU win against those motor mouth a-holes would not be a totally bad outcome like most OSU wins. My dislike for Freeman is growing by the day. He just comes across as a "hey, look-at-me" - self-centered type. Besides, it's all going to come down to the UM-OSU game this year so we either do it or don't
Every time we bring up this subject, I get this uncomfortable, unnerving feeling that the Buckeyes are just laughing at us:
Mission accomplished
His quote was actually - "we ain't come to play school". The "I" & "didn't" & "here" must've been a re-write.
Congrats btw to Cardale for being the 417th most prolific QB ever to play in the CFL.
Damn do I love me some good banter on this site! FYI the 417th most prolific QB ever to play in the CFL has one more national championship ring than UM has this century lmao.
...and you're still down by a few.
Touche, my friend, but I still have to downvote this on general principle
Wait records and championships began when Cooper left? How convenient.
Arent you guys near 1000 days since beating your only rival? How sad.
OSU, like Michigan and many schools, has lots of online classes. So does ND in fact. They have entire degree programs that can be done online.
This whole thing is just as stupid as Columbus and South Bend.
Actually I read an article that Michigan was one of the only schools to not have online classes as an option for athletes. That article was from 2019 and it's very possible that Covid changed that. Notre Dame was one of the other subset of schools to not allow online classes (I think Standford, Vandy and Northwestern were the others).
I actually took online classes at Michigan pre-2019.
The academicz argument is such bullshit.
At Michigan,
At ND,
At tOSU(tm)...
... the football players are NOT pulling down 3.8s and 32 ACTs like most of us had to.
Exactly right. I have my BSME from Michigan (1972) and I knew a few of the football players. Anyone that thinks they had to go through the same academic requirements as the rest of us are just fooling themselves. Here's a news flash - it the same at UM, ND, and OSU. We all recruit the same 4 and 5-star players and all top-notch football CF powers go out of their way to keep the stars eligible.
I don't think anybody here would be so naive as to believe football players have as rigorous an academic program as non-athletes. I think the more relevant question is whether a football player can get away with less at a school like Notre Dame or Michigan than they can at most other schools. Is it easier for an OSU player to skip classes or have somebody write his papers for him than it is for a Michigan player? Honestly don't know the answer to that...
FYI, this is the 2019 article about athletes & online classes -- article says Michigan is only of 6 Power 5 schools that doesn't allow athletes to take online classes (other 5 are Northwestern, Notre Dame, TCU, Vanderbilt & USC)
This was on r/cfb yesterday. osu fans should just acknowledge it and own it. There was the justin fields and Joe Burrow article about their online course curriculum. Neither set foot on campus for classes. This was before the pandemic. I think Michigan was one of the few schools that very limited online courses. IE athletes had to physically show up. The pandemic changed things. Everyone does online, so the entire thing is moot. osu fans could have squashed the entire thing with a quick ‘so what’.
The entire college experience and value has been reduced across the board. Michigan is one of the best universities in the world and we’re still bringing in grad transfers through certificate programs rather than degree programs.
https://bustedcoverage.com/2019/09/25/justin-fields-takes-online-classes-not-on-ohio-state-campus-much/amp/
https://abc6onyourside.com/amp/sports/the-football-fever/online-classes-keep-football-players-out-of-academic-fray
partial paywall
https://www.onlineathens.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/23/online-classes-keep-football-players-out-of-academic-fray/2022963007/
https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/college/football/2019/09/25/ohio-state-quarterback-justin-fields/2690641007/
THIS is information I was not completely aware of - appreciated.
We acknowledge the online classes and own it. Fans get mad over Freeman disparaging his experience at OSU and now saying the second shitty thing about OSU. It’s absolutely true that you can take courses online at OSU and any university, but we start to get butthurt when it’s someone that played for us and that we loved that starts shitting on the value of the experience and now education that he received. He can get fucked and rolled over in September for all I care. As far as I know, all fellow OSU fans have disowned him because of this second shitty comment and he’s purely the HC at ND now.
we start to get butthurt when it’s someone that played for us and that we loved that starts shitting on the value of the experience and now education that he received
All I'm hearing is that Ohio State fans can't stand a little off-season banter from an opposing coach who's simply standing up for his current place of employment.
And we should know about this kinda thing, because Harbaugh took shots at Michigan's academics when he was at Stanford and we *GASP* got the fuck over because we're not children.
Between this and all the belly-aching over Desmond Howard making a joke at the Heisman ceremony, you gotta admit that Ohio State fans are weak as tissue paper when it comes to trash talk. Hell, you make it a HUGE deal anytime a Michigan player says anything tangentially related to your school. "Oh no! They said something about us! Quick! To the motivation board!"
Just saying :-)
Uh, you think Michigan fans just "got over it"? Until 2010 when it was clear Rich Rod was gonna be fired and Harbaugh was who everyone wanted as a replacement comments or not, he one of the most hated former players around here.
Not to mention the fact that the moral high-ground is claimed here regularly when it comes to academics, yet when pointed out that a 2.0 GPA is all that is required to stay eligible for football and that normal academic qualifiers do not apply to the football team, negs come. But yes, people "got over it because they aren't children".
But why make it at the Heisman ceremony when CJ is right there? I think a lot of people think that was low-class by Desmond, but to each their own. And yes, we take it personally any time. It’s a rivalry! That’s what it’s meant to be about my guy/gal! :)
Play skuul!
Cardale Jones respects your spelling.
OSU has an entire athletic campus that is north of the College of Ag campus, northwest of main campus. It is quite a hike to get to anything on main from the football facilities there.. It wouldnt surprise me at all that kids would want to take classes online to avoid traveling back and forth. Very few of the athletic facilities used by varsity sports outside of ohio stadium and St Johns arena (womens bball sometimes still plays there I believe) are on main campus. All of your non-football field sports are out there, mens bball, hockey, everything.
I honestly dont know where osu gets all of its money---the entire campus is under construction right now. They are building several new buildings on west campus alone--im not even sure for what purpose yet. All told there are probably 20-25 new 5-15 floor towers on the columbus campus built in the last 15 years for various purposes. Sometime late next year the $2.2 billion new hospital tower is supposed to be completed, The $1billion+ cancer tower was completed fairly recently too. Its not just the athletics getting money thrown at it.