NFL Combine Final #s
QB Shea Patterson
Height: 6’0 7/8”
Weight: 212
Arm: 30 1/2”
Hand: 9 3/8”
Wingspan: 73 4/8”
Bench Press: DNP
40 Yard Dash: 4.71 (5th)
Vertical: 31” (T-5th)
Broad Jump: 9’8” (6th)
3 Cone Drill: 7.14s (T-3rd)
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.50s (6th)
WR Donovan People’s-Jones
Height: 6’1 5/8”
Weight: 212
Arm: 33 1/2”
Hand: 10 1/8”
Wingspan: 79 2/8”
Bench Press: DNP
40 Yard Dash: 4.48 (T-10th)
Vertical: 44 1/2” (1st)
Broad Jump: 11’7” (1st)
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
TE Sean McKeon
Height: 6’5”
Weight: 242
Arm: 33 1/2”
Hand: 9 1/8”
Wingspan: 78 6/8”
Bench Press: 18 reps (T-4th)
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
OT Jon Runyan
Height: 6’4 1/4”
Weight: 306
Arm: 33 1/4”
Hand: 9 1/8”
Wingspan: 79 5/8”
Bench Press: 24 reps (T-10th)
40 Yard Dash: 5.08 (T-9th)
Vertical: 30 1/2” (T-7th)
Broad Jump: 8’11” (T-11th)
3 Cone Drill: 7.57s (3rd)
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.69s (9th)
OG Ben Bredeson
Height: 6’4 5/8”
Weight: 315
Arm: 31 1/8”
Hand: 10 1/8”
Wingspan: 76 6/8”
Bench Press: DNP
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
OG Mike Onwenu
Height: 6’2 5/8”
Weight: 344
Arm: 34 4/8”
Hand: 10 1/2”
Wingspan: 82”
Bench Press: 26 reps (T-8th)
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
OC Cesar Ruiz
Height: 6’2 3/4”
Weight: 307
Arm: 33 1/8”
Hand: 11”
Wingspan: 79 5/8”
Bench Press: 28 reps (T-6th)
40 Yard Dash: 5.08 (T-9th)
Vertical: 33” (T-4th)
Broad Jump: 9’5” (T-5th)
3 Cone Drill: 7.91 (13th)
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.64s (4th)
LB Josh Uche
Height: 6’1 2/8”
Weight: 245
Arm: 33 5/8”
Hand: 9 4/8”
Wingspan: 80”
Bench Press: 18 reps (T-8th)
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
LB Khaleke Hudson
Height: 5’11”
Weight: 224
Arm: 29 3/8”
Hand: 10”
Wingspan: 72 5/8”
Bench Press: 30 reps (1st)
40 Yard Dash: 4.56 (8th)
Vertical: 33” (T-10th)
Broad Jump: 10’ (T-11th)
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
CB Lavert Hill
Height: 5’10”
Weight: 190
Arm: 30 7/8”
Hand: 9 1/8”
Wingspan: 74 3/8”
Bench Press: 21 reps (T-2nd)
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
S Josh Metellus
Height: 5’11”
Weight: 209
Arm: 32 2/8”
Hand: 10 2/8”
Wingspan: 75 5/8”
Bench Press: 20 reps (T-3rd)
40 Yard Dash: 4.55 (10th)
Vertical: 36 1/2” (5th)
Broad Jump: 10’4” (T-7th)
3 Cone Drill: 6.94s (4th)
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.40s (6th)
Coach Gattis continues to hammer home the point that guys need to practice and always be trying to improve whenever he talks to media outlets. I think the fact that Shea worked more on his golf swing than anything else last off-season really irked Coach Gattis and the results on the field seem to imply Gattis was correct. He hasn't said anything negative about the QB's we have on the team currently so I expect them to be ready to go.
He was a rich man's John O'Korn.
Where do you think Hudson fits onto an NFL defense? My thought is he’ll end up too small to be a LB and not quick enough to be a safety. Maybe could be a solid special teamer
I think DPJ will be a late steal. Anyone who watched our games can see he was criminally under-utilized. .... They just never got the ball on time.
Those are both true, to a degree. DPJ, while very talented athletically, wasn't an all-world WR. There's more to WR than just having athletic talent.
The ball on time issue was a big one, and yet in the biggest moments of the biggest games when the ball was there, the WR's - including DPJ - didn't come through.
Uche has momentum to go far earlier than that. Otherwise that’s a good list.
I don't think Hill will be drafted that high unless he has a blazing 40 at his pro day. Isn't that where Long went, and he had very good combine numbers, and was a more productive college player, IMO. DPJ will probably move up with his performance. Not really sure what teams think of Uche. The buzz keeps saying higher, but he's a need and circumstance guy in the first 3 rounds, meaning he won't be taken because he's the best available.
On most points, when compared to the evaluations for all the Wolverines, that is a wildly optimistic list.
Ruiz late 1-2
Bredeson 3
Hill 5-undrafted
Hudson undrafted
Runyan 4-5
DPJ 4-5
Omwenu 4-5
Uche 3-4
McKeon 7-undrafted
Metellus 7-undrafted
Onwenu (phone wants to change to one emu) down to 344. That’s.....good.
People were dumping on McKeon for 18 reps but that’s a respectable number and all these power lifters that posted about getting better than that must have been special athletes in their days.
It’s very respectable for an athlete overall - but it’s pretty poor for a NFL TE. Look at Metellus and Hill - they are 50 pounds lighter than him and both put up more reps. Those are the kind of blocking matchups he will be expected to dominate in the NFL and from a pure strength perspective that will not be the case. That’s to say nothing of the DE and LB that he will be matching up with every down. In a matchup on the edge between McKeon and Hudson- I’m taking Hudson every time
It would be interesting to go back and compare this group's performance to their recruiting profiles. Patterson, DPJ, & Bredeson were the top ranked recruits. The NFL ranked Uche, Bredeson, & Hill as the top prospects. But, it was probably Runyan, Uche, & Hudson or Hill who were the most productive in their playing careers.
Ranked By Recruiting Profile:
- Patterson (5-star, .9982, #4 overall)
- DPJ (5-star, .9925, #12 overall)
- Bredeson (4-star, .9799, #39 overall)
- Hill (4-star, .9409, #132 overall)
- Uche (3-star, .8588, #707 overall)
- Hudson (3-star, .8819, #386 overall)
- Runyan (3-star, .8402, #1138 overall)
Ranked By NFL Profile:
- Uche (6.26)
- Bredeson (6.14, good backup who could become starter)
- Hill (5.97)
- DPJ (5.90, backup or special teamer)
- Runyan (5.88)
- Patterson (5.60, chance to make end of roster or practice squad)
- Hudson (5.46)
It makes me wonder why UM seems to struggle to get the most out of their highest ranked recruits. Is it just playing the odds and if you only have a few high 4-stars and 5-stars the high miss rate doesn't give you much room for error? Gary, Peppers, DPJ, Solomon, & Bredeson are the top ranked guys to finish their UM careers in this era. I'd say only Peppers lived up to his profile. Bredeson had a solid career, but you'd probably never assume he's the top UM o-line recruit since they started tracking that. Anecdotally I feel like we do much better with the low 4-star and 3-star guys.
Ruiz was a big time recruit. He was 47th nationally and the #1 center. He achieved his potential at Michigan I think and would have been an elite college center had he come back for his final year.
Ruiz was a big time recruit. He was 47th nationally and the #1 center.
I arbitrarily picked the top 3 recruits and compared them to the top 3 in terms of production. Ruiz happened to be #4 in recruiting, just behind Bredeson.
He achieved his potential at Michigan
I wouldn't say he underachieved. He was a 2 year starter. He made 3rd team all conference his sophomore year and 2nd team his junior year. But, he wasn't really dominant either. As a point of comparison, Runyan had more production as a much less heralded recruit.
So, why the down vote? Do you agree or disagree with the overall argument that UM doesn't seem to be getting the most out of their most highly ranked recruits or are you just upset Ruiz didn't fit the criteria I used? We could certainly expand it.
What the fuck are you guys going on about? Ruiz was an elite recruit and he did well enough here to leave early to the NFL as an OL. He's a success story and a testament to the quality of Warinner.
I hope you get your meds fixed, buddy. Get help.
BTW you guys are way too invested in your discussion points...relax man.
What the fuck are you guys going on about?
What do you mean? I feel like I explained it fairly well. I was comparing the top 3 recruits in that group to the top 3 productive players. Ruiz was the #4 recruit. It's arbitrary and not a reflection on his ability or production. He wasn't really a part of the argument. What's the problem?
Ruiz was an elite recruit and he did well enough here to leave early to the NFL as an OL. He's a success story and a testament to the quality of Warinner.
I think he did OK. He wasn't great. He had some really good games and some not so good games. He was no Jake Long, Taylor Lewan, David Molk, Steve Hutchinson, etc. But, he was a higher ranked recruit than all of them. I think he had a fine career, but I don't think he did anything special either. For example, Tyler Biadasz out performed him as the top center in the B1G last year and was a much less heralded recruit.
I'm not trying to be a thorn in your side, but can you please explain how Peppers lived up to his #3 overall recruit ranking? Below are his stats for 3 years (really 2.25 years being that he didn't play a lot as a freshman):
Defense:
119 tackles
3 sacks
1 Interception
Offense:
239 rushing yards with 5 TD's
82 receiving yards with 0 TD's
Special Teams:
993 return yards
1 TD
Nothing about those numbers say #3 overall recruit in the country living up to his hype. Sorry, the infatuation with Peppers is a bit insane. As a OSU fan, I can tell you with certainty that Peppers never once came into my head as a guy to worry about during The Game.
I'm not trying to be a thorn in your side, but can you please explain how Peppers lived up to his #3 overall recruit ranking?
I would consider his awards & recognitions.
- 1st Team All American
- 2 Time 1st Team All Conference at 2 positions (LB and Return Specialist)
- B1G Player of the Year
- Jim Thorpe, Walter Camp, Bronco Nagurski, Chuck Bednarik, Maxwell, & Heisman Trophy Finalists
As a OSU fan, I can tell you with certainty that Peppers never once came into my head as a guy to worry about during The Game.
Interesting, did you watch the 2016 game? He didn't really do anything offensively. But, he had an INT, 7 tackles, and a 44-yard kick return that just barely missed getting a TD on.
I know all about the awards. It was heavily discussed at the time, and a lot of people questioned it. More of it was based on him being a "3 way player" than actual production. He was a great KR guy, an average LB/Safety, and pretty much a non-factor on offense. Half of his hype was driven by his recruiting ranking and being a guy that plays multiple positions. Looking at his overall numbers though, it's tough to say he played like the #3 recruit in that class.
Yes I watched the 2016 game, and in that same game JT Barrett outran Peppers.
He was a great KR guy
Yup
an average LB/Safety
Average?..like average P5 LB/safety? I don't see average. I don't think he was the top LB in the country. He was undersized and playing out of position. But, he was far better than average. For example he had similar tackle numbers to Worley and Baker, but more tackles for loss than anyone on OSU.
and pretty much a non-factor on offense
What makes you think that? I think the play calling was super vanilla with him. Unfortunately he just always ran it in the wildcat so it was super predictable. But, he was dangerous with the ball in his hands. He averaged 6.2 yards per carry and scored 3 rushing TDs in 2016.
Half of his hype was driven by his recruiting ranking and being a guy that plays multiple positions. Looking at his overall numbers though, it's tough to say he played like the #3 recruit in that class.
I'd agree part of his value was his ability to play offense, defense, and special teams. I don't think he would have received as many awards had been only a defensive player. I think he was fast and explosive, but undersized for a linebacker. But, when you take a good LB, an electric kick/punt returner, and a guy that scored 3 TDs on offense and averaged 6.2 yards per carry and then it paints a different picture.
Yes I watched the 2016 game, and in that same game JT Barrett outran Peppers.
I think you're mistaken. I'm assuming you're referring to the run that often gets pictured where JT stiff arms Peppers just as Peppers is off balance from being engaged in a block, which I'll post below a link to that part of the highlights. Barrett is a good runner in his own right and 20 lbs heavier than Peppers. But, you'll see JT is running full stride whereas Peppers is just coming off a block when their paths meet and Peppers tracks him down from behind and runs him out of bounds. JT does not outrun him. He also picked off JT in that game FWIW. But, this isn't a comparison between the two, but rather a logic as to why Peppers was so highly regarded.
Okudah had 3 Int and 0 TD for his career.
Comparing Okudah is laughable at best. He was a lockdown corner that shut down #1 WR's at an alarming rate. Peppers wasn't a corner. Okudah didn't return kicks or play on offense, so the TD's are pointless to use as a comparison.
Very obviously, you used Peppers' stats to down him, and the poster above you used stats against you in the same way. What you point out is exactly what he's saying - you can't use stats as the end-all, be-all. He went to New York for the Heisman ceremony for crying out loud.
Your only argument here is "you can't use stats for Okudah, because XXX, but you can use them for Peppers, because YYY." That would be silly, please don't do this.
I'm not saying you can't compare players, but comparing players at different positions is near impossible. For a similar comparison, compare Peppers defensive numbers with Malik Hooker who played the same position at the same time. His career numbers are:
84 tackles, 0.5 sacks, 7 INT, 4 TD's.
He played 1.5 seasons.
Peppers play on offense was minimal. He was great as a KR/PR. He was solid on defense. That was kind of my point, why all the awards and everything is beyond me. But let me say that in no way am I saying he was not a great player. He broke returns quite a few times, that changes a game. I'm a Steelers fan, and if he was playing with them I would be happy.
Offenses avoided Peppers on the edge just like offenses avoided Okudah. That's why his stats were down. Nobody threw in the flat against Peppers.
The NFL that drafted him in the 1st rd tends to disagree with you. I'll side with the NFL over the internet guy. Peppers was an excellent college football player. Did he change the world like we hoped when he signed? No he didn't. Does that justify your post and make it a win for you? Congrats.
I think the point is that Okaduh is highly regarded without a ton of stats. Okaduh is a better NFL prospect than Peppers because he fits a perfect role...a CB. Peppers did not play the position he projects to in the NFL so he was a developmental player. But, Peppers was a more accomplished college player as is evident by his versatility and big play ability. FWIW Okaduh was not much different as a recruit (#8) from Peppers (#3).
get off your high horse....
I measured my hands. Embarrassing.
Don't be. People who get invited to the NFL Combine are abnormal. They are in the top echelon of their field. They are unique, which is why they get paid so well. I'd bet if you compared say, SAT scores, you might find the shoe on the other foot.
Given the user name, I would have thought you'd measure your penis.
Khaleke had a great combine. I hope he does well in the NFL. He played like a warrior for us. Left it all on the field.
Lavert Hill putting up 21 reps on bench is surprising. I wonder why he didn't run the 40.