Michigan vs Texas: Two different paths

Submitted by SBayBlue on January 3rd, 2021 at 2:26 PM

Thought I would throw this article out there.

https://sports.yahoo.com/texas-and-michigan-taking-very-different-paths-but-will-either-work-014403137.html

I've thought a lot about a comparison of the two programs. Very similar, except Texas over the past decade and a half has won two more league championship games (2005 and 2009) than us (0 since we haven't been in any championship games since its beginning in 2011), and we have won no league titles since 2004. Texas has been in two national championship games during the same period, winning one of them.

The Big 12 has been dominated by Oklahoma in the championship game, but head to head, Texas during the regular season has held its own. Over the past 15 years, Texas has won nearly half of the Red River Shootout games. We have won just one game versus our biggest rival in the same time period.

Texas and Michigan both have major alumni benefactors, are both high quality universities, and have a long tradition of winning. While Texas is a recruit rich state, they have a lot of in state Power 5 D1 schools competing for those recruits. We have just Sparty as the only in state Power 5 school competing for recruits within Michigan.

After this season, would you rather be us or Texas? The answer is pretty clear to me.

Schemboeller C…

January 3rd, 2021 at 2:30 PM ^

Texas beats its rival and wins its bowl games. I’d rather be Texas. Also, the university clearly doesn’t put up with mediocrity has has high standards for its program, which clearly Michigan no longer does.

Eph97

January 3rd, 2021 at 3:09 PM ^

We will see in the next 5 years how the 2 schools do now that OSU has moved on from the rb playing qb types and is recruting pro style qb's just like OU. That Ewers kid from TX coming in for the 2022 class is said to be a once in a generation Andrew Luck type of QB. Also, OSU wins playoff games because it has a defense, OU doesn't.

M-B Devil Dog

January 3rd, 2021 at 3:44 PM ^

I'm in Texas and have seen him play twice and to be honest he is so good it fucking hurts.  Andrew Luck wishes he was Quinn Ewers. This kid might be a once every 20+ years type.  Yesterday he was 26-27, 365 yards with 4 TDs AT THE HALF and this was in the Quarterfinals of the Texas state 6A Div 1 ( biggest division in football in Texas)...the dude is insane and before anyone tries...don't compare JJ for us coming in.  They really are't even close and that is RIGHT NOW, Quinn is a year behind...That kid is going to be a f'ing nightmare for us

Hail to the Vi…

January 3rd, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^

No, I wouldn't say that at all. It was meant to be tongue and cheek. Just some gallows humor around the OSU program trajectory seemingly still point upwards, like it can get any better than it is now..

Having a 5* QB is one thing. Having "a generational talent not seen in the past 20 years" is quite another.

People said the same thing about Jimmy Clauson. That's why we play the games, hombre.

ajhe

January 3rd, 2021 at 5:02 PM ^

Are you kidding me?  And even if you want to say that OSU is in a different echelon than OU, the bottom line is that Texas is in a far, far better position than UM.  I live in Austin and get a kick out of Longhorn fans that think that Texas is bad.  If they only knew what it was like to be bad...

Schemboeller C…

January 4th, 2021 at 10:40 AM ^

As if the Big 10 East is much better? Ohio State plays a mediocre Michigan who almost never shows up for the Game, an up and down Penn State, and a feisty Indiana. They've had close calls against Maryland, Nebraska, and Indiana, and have been blown out in two cross over games against Purdue and Iowa in the last several years. How is that any better than OU playing teams like Texas, Iowa State, or a team like Kansas State, West Virginia, or Texas Tech? OU also has to beat the second place team twice to win the conference. OSU is 2-2 in the first round of playoffs. OU is 0-4. Okay. OSU also lost 31-0 in 2016 . None of your arguments support Ohio State being leaps and bounds above OU every year.

Schemboeller C…

January 3rd, 2021 at 3:35 PM ^

I’m just referring to the fact that they don’t keep a coach around who isn’t meeting expectations. I’m not commenting on the quality of their hires. I do know that Sark will likely not be around if he goes 0-5 against OU, 1-4 in bowl games, 3-3 against a team like Baylor, and never makes an appearance in the conference championship.

Megumin

January 3rd, 2021 at 3:38 PM ^

Seems about right. Are Texas fans excited about Sark? It be one thing if they were getting Meyer or someone, but making a coaching change is not guarantee of success. Herman was once seen as can't miss coming out of Houston.

That's not to say that Michigan is making the right choice with retaining Harbaugh. We'll figure out who comes out ahead in the next few years. If I had to make a wager, I'm guessing neither of us are in the playoffs or consistently beating our main rivals in the next few years regardless of this coaching decision.

bronxblue

January 3rd, 2021 at 3:50 PM ^

See, I find these more compelling quotes, but then again I'm not inclined to believe that the grass is always greener:

It’s just that betting on Sarkisian is betting on someone with no serious ties to the state being a lot better than he's shown to be.

Rather than reboot, the Wolverines want to see if an alum who won at Stanford and in the NFL and showed flashes in Ann Arbor, might still be able to turn it all around.

Maybe that’s naive. Or maybe it just keeps you from flailing again by reaching on a replacement.

Nobody knows, but since Mack Brown left Texas they've had 1 10-win season and 3 losing seasons with Strong and Herman; Michigan's had 3 10-win seasons and only 1 losing season (2020) with just Harbaugh, those if you include Hoke then we've got another 10-win year and 1 losing year.  Sark may well work out at Texas, but he also seems like a guy who comes into okay situations and, at best, keeps them okay.  Being an OC at Alabama for 2 years doesn't seem likely a reproducible coaching environment for someone, even at Texas.  We might be wrong, but this article is basically 500 words saying that.

Gentleman Squirrels

January 3rd, 2021 at 2:48 PM ^

Yup pretty much. You’re talking about a program that has ascended into the Bama/Clemson levels of recruiting. It’s gonna take a lot to knock them down from that pedestal.

We will know in a couple years if Texas or Michigan took the right approach. It might be that at the end of the day both programs can’t get over the hump even with separate paths.
 

FWIW, Texas has major recruiting advantages with the talent they have in the state and they consistently underperform. Michigan also has its issues but they don’t have the same advantages as Texas does.

Gulogulo37

January 3rd, 2021 at 7:00 PM ^

Not like OSU would fall off a cliff, but I wonder how much they benefit from teams like Texas and USC being down. I think it hurts Michigan that ND is doing well now. They're so similar in how they recruit, similar location, academics, etc. You can go to ND and get blown out in the playoffs, or go to Michigan and get blown out by OSU in the regular season. Brian Kelly is only 59, so he's not going anywhere soon.

micheal honcho

January 3rd, 2021 at 3:58 PM ^

Over the past 4-5 yrs I’d agree. Doesn’t excuse the fact that we were losing to them well before Urban lifted their recruiting another couple notches. 
 

A big difference between UM and UT can be snapshotted by looking at what is the quintessential moment in Michigan athletics and the Administrative reaction to it. The fab five scandal. Michigan’s reaction was to cut its balls off forever. To give preference & power to personalities that represent a balanced perspective in regards to athletics. Lloyd Carr was the poster boy for this and his early success gave capital to the idea that you didn’t have to be cut throat to the razors edge of allowable/traditional/moral in order to win championships. Texas still has a strong portion of its “ behind the scenes” power players that don’t mind talking about winning without adding some perfunctory comment about “the right way” or “with class” or some other ultimately racist at its core quip. 

IMO we won’t be a serious contender in football again until frankly a generational shift is COMPLETE within the UM power structure. When I contemplate Harbaugh and whether he can get the job done I have to sit back and imagine what that would look like and ultimately it looks pretty much like 2016. Except that instead of cutting our coaches balls off and forcing a fundamental change in his personality, The OSUs & Bama’s of the world would double down on THEIR ASSHOLE. They would expect the man that they have chosen as their leader to return nastier, meaner, shorter with press & administration types. They’d expect him to be shaving a few nice kids scholarships to make room for a transfer and open spots for a couple higher caliber players that are walking on campus to play football. Not playing football while they’re on campus. It’s not some magical X’s & O’s formula or a new coordinator or whatever. I’d argue that doubling down on the original Harbaugh offensive style and making Mattison the DC adhering to his style would have had a better record than we’ve been able to achieve since. 
 

I think it is possible to win big with JH as our coach. But not JH light. That guy is trying to please too many people outside of his program and not step on the wrong toes. He’s chasing instead of leading. He came to M with a football philosophy that contrary to popular opinion here, is a viable and functional system. He implemented it and took us a bad spot away from the CFP. At that point the UM voices should have collectively paid his fine and encouraged him to scream it from the rooftops that we got jobbed if that’s how he felt. We could have been screaming for more FBs, bigger OL maulers, MORE HARBAUGH!! Fuck winning by chasing the next mousetrap. Win by force of WILL!! 
 

But, ultimately we don’t want to come off as assholes like the OSU fans. So let’s keep chasing. 

SBayBlue

January 3rd, 2021 at 3:07 PM ^

That's because they're both similar (major alums, strong tradition, high quality academics) and they're not (better success the past 15 years vs their rival and league championships). Two paths, with potentially the same or different outcomes. Unlikely both will be successful, and more likely that they both could crater.

Catchafire

January 3rd, 2021 at 2:49 PM ^

Wolverines today, Wolverines tomorrow, Wolverines forever! Fuck Texas.

They fired Mack Brown, lol. Fired Charlie Strong.  Fired Tom Herman.

They ruined the B12 with the Longhorns Network.

Drove Nebraska, Colorado, TAMU, and Mizzou out of the B12.

Fuck Texas.