Michigan Team thoughts from Outsider Sources

Submitted by umgoblue11 on August 1st, 2019 at 12:54 PM

Figured with the start of August and before camp kicks off I would drop what I've been hearing about Michigan from various outside sources (NFL scouts and player personnel, other college staffers, etc). I'll leave out info from the Michigan side, as at this time of the year it's mostly... "this player looks great, best shape of his life, etc" and not as subjective. Side note, that's why the fans that get pissed about Michigan fluff pieces on players make me LOL... no one is gonna put out a piece on how crappy someone looks or put a player on blast. Every player looks great this time of year. This ain't going to be on every player, just the guys I've heard the most about (I.E. nothing on Sainristl because no one has seen him yet).

Offense:

As I've said in previous posts, Gattis gets a lot of love from outside folks. The dude has coached under some great names, and he'll be the best OC Michigan has had in the past few decades (to be fair that list isn't exactly a who's who). He's an elite recruiter and an unbelievable WR coach, so enjoy him while we have him. With that being said don't freak out if we're not putting up 50 a game in the first month of the season. Part of that is it's going to take a little bit of time for the offense to gel and part of it has to deal with who they are facing the first month of the year. MTSU should be a good warm-up and then you have Army who's going to try and keep the ball outta our hands and limit possessions. So if we only win 28-7 or something where the offense output isn't significant, do not panic. Then you move to Wisconsin who has a very good defense, which will be a good test for the offense.

Last year's offense was pretty solid (25th in S&P) but outside folks said their problem was that they couldn't change speeds on anyone. If they got off to an early lead they were solid, but they had real problems when they went down early (NW, ND, OSU). Couple that with a lack of explosive plays and that's where an offense can bog down. If you can't go fast and aren't super explosive you can get yourself into trouble. I give Harbaugh credit for doing what Saban did-- realizing that you have to adapt your offense or you'll get left behind. I think Michigan changes that in a big way (pace and explosive plays) this year and you're gonna see a more consistent offense because of it. 

QB: Shea is the real deal. Folks never really understood the assumption that he'd go pro after last year because scouts really wanted to see him perform in a pro-style offense. And he did pretty well but needed to sharpen some parts of his game. He's on something like his 4th coordinator in 4 years. He bails out of the pocket too quickly but doesn't have the elite straight-line speed to be able to survive that way. That's why RPO is perfect for him as you get him naturally moving around the pocket and he's elite at handling the ball. Also gone will be that long-developing PA shots down the field. Michigan will take their shots, but it ain't gonna be 7-step PA dropbacks anymore. Shea is a sneaky dark horse Heisman candidate if he stays within the offense because Gattis is going to put up some numbers throwing the ball.

RB: By the time October rolls around, you will see Zach Charbonnet as the lead back if he stays healthy. There are college staffs that had him as the #1 RB on their board and think he has high draft pick in 3 years potential. He reminds me of a David Johnson type back. Shifty and can put his foot in the ground, but nasty enough to run you over. Should be a Frosh AA and serious potential to be an AA and early-round RB if he keeps on his progression track. 

WR: Holy cow this is the area that is going to make Michigan very, very difficult to stop this year. I'd put them right behind Bama and Clemson for best WR corps. DPJ, if healthy, is going to blow up-- NFL guys love him and he has the most potential out of any of our WR's. Needs to be a bit more physical, but think Julio Jones where if he catches the ball downfield in space can take it to the house. Nico has the best hands in college football and is an NFL player right now with his size. Has some Alshon Jeffrey comps. Nothing on Tarik, because no one has really seen anything on him. 

TEs: Nothing really here, but McKeon looks to have turned a corner. He had a tough year last year, and I think he was too much in his own head. Needed to take coaching more serious and I think the proverbial light-bulb went off. 

OL: Flat out there are some dudes on this line. Reminds folks of the old Michigan lines, and quite a few teams are envious of what Warriner's put together. Bredeson-Ruiz-Onwenu is an ELITE grouping on the interior. Ruiz will be the highest picked in the draft-- he's heady and a true center. But Bredeson is right there behind him. He's going to be a long-time vet in the NFL. A few scouts have some serious man-crushes on him-- an elite leader who has really improved his game, if he's consistent in his pass pro could be an AA.

Defense:

General thoughts: Talent-wise this group takes a big step back. Devin Bush is flat-out the best Michigan LB ever and I think he wins NFL Rookie DPOY. What he was able to do sideline-to-sideline is impossible to replace. However, I think as a group this defense will be more consistent in big games. I know fans don't understand this, but when you know you're going to be a high pick in the NFL Draft there is a bit of self-preservation that goes on. Every agent and scout you interact with you is telling you where you stand and it's impossible to block that noise out. It has nothing to do with their love of Michigan or their character, but when you are a little banged up and there's potential for you to lose millions of dollars, the calculus changes. That's why it isn't all always about getting the most 5-star NFL talent onto a team-- when you're Clemson or Alabama and you win all of your games it's easy to keep everyone pulling the same direction. But when you lose the first game of the year, it makes it that much tougher for the coaching staff to keep it all together. And I think that's what happened at the end of the year-- guys lose a little bit of focus with their eyes turned to the next step and things can go south quickly. I really think this group will play within Brown's system.

DL: The DL has some real dogs and adding Danna to that group will really help diversify their looks. People have told me that they noticed Michigan has continued to shift up their looks, especially against spread teams. You're going to see a lot more 3 man fronts and a stand-up guy or two off the edge. Aidan Hutchinson is the breakout here-- I have to be careful how I phrase this, but he's in that Bosa/JJ Watt category from talking to folks. That doesn't mean he's going to have that level of production, but he has elite length, get-off, and pure dog in him. Carlo Kemp is also getting a lot of love and is a guy that isn't getting talked about enough. People love his game and he's a leader up-front. 

LB: Probably the spot that is my biggest area of concern. Mostly due to the fact that it's impossible to replace what Bush did. Ross is a dude and a big-time thumper but he can't run like Bush. Khaleke Hudson is going to essentially try and replace that this year, which is his best fit. Let him run around and make plays. Brown wants LB's that can run--gone are the days of 245+ LBs. This group is filled with a bunch of guys who will have roles: Uche, Gil, McGrone, Glasgow, and Anthony. This is Brown's specialty and I think he's gonna throw a ton of guys out there in specialized roles to mitigate the loss of Bush.

DB: Hill will be an AA this year--his issue was always going to be size. He's not going to be a highly drafted CB because of his size but will be a guy who plays in the NFL for a while due to his instincts and toughness. Reminds me of another Detroit guy, Desmond King in that he's smaller, but just makes plays. Daxton Hill is a dude, but everyone already knows that. Other colleges were enamored with his speed and toughness. Runs like a gazelle and will straight up disrespect you if he's got a shot on you. Give him a little bit of time-- Safety is a very hard position to pick-up quickly and especially in Brown's defense. Not worried about this group as they don't face a legit passing attack until Iowa in October and Zordich/Campanile/Brown are known for their DB acumen.

Later on, in the week, I'll do a post about Michigan's rivals (OSU, ND, MSU, and PSU) to give you an idea of what we're going against. 

Moleskyn

August 1st, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^

Going off your join date, you're new here. People are going to hold a level of skepticism toward a newbie coming in and sharing content that purports to have roots in legit sources. Your info may be legitimately sourced, it may not. We have no way to really know.

I'm not going to pass judgment myself, but here are a couple suggestions I offer out of good will:

  • If you continue to post OPs like this one (which, I personally hope you do), try to better delineate between your personal opinions on players/situations, and the information you are hearing from your sources. Reading the OP here, it is hard to tell when you are relaying information that you've heard from others, versus when you are giving your own personal opinion.
  • If you (understandably) don't want to doxx yourself, reach out to Seth and/or Brian privately and have them vet you behind the scenes. Receiving a "stamp of approval" from one of them would go a long way to toward establishing the legitimacy of your posts. UMBig11 is another connected poster here, and while he still takes flak from some for his posts, he is generally well-regarded.
  • Don't take the skepticism of others personally. There have been plenty of people who have come by here touting themselves as connected to insider sources, and have turned out to be losers just seeking attention. We don't have enough data yet to know if you are one of these.

If your content is legit, then be confident in that and stay above the fray.

umgoblue11

August 1st, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^

Thank you for the advice— and I agree with your points! 

I always appreciate the zeal of MGo posters, and knew by posting now that folks would be skeptical. And I welcome questions and feedback. If people want to ask specific questions like, “where is that opinion on ZC from?” I would say multiple college player personal directors and recruiting coordinators have told me that they thought he was a Day 1 starter for their program. 

Bill22

August 1st, 2019 at 11:47 PM ^

I agree.  The more I think about it, this schedule is a bitch.  Would a loss in any of the following games surprise you?  Army, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Ohio State???  Those are 7 TOUGH games.  Thankfully most are at home.  If they can go 10-2 with a win over the Buckeyes, I will be over the moon happy!

Bodogblog

August 1st, 2019 at 1:42 PM ^

I lol at Iowa being a legit passing attack.  Stanley is a generic senior QB, now without his two first round TEs.  They'll have a trick or two for the Michigan game, Brown will download it, and he will be wrecked from there. 

 

I do appreciate this post, what's your inside position?  Not to be blunt, but you're not UMBIG11, who could post this without any credibility concerns. 

umgoblue11

August 1st, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^

I tend to agree with the line Iowa passing attack, but Stanley is a legit talent and someone who’s got a shot at the NFL. 

And credibility on a message board is an oxymoron. I can’t “prove” to you my connections so I get your position. And I appreciate your bluntness! All I can say is that I’m happy to have a mod vet my background, and am happy to do so. I can see how some folks would be skeptical. I’m not like Roll Tide Roll poster like back in the day or a Mineral King (RIP)

JPC

August 1st, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^

You can email the site owner, or one of the admins, and explain why you're doing more than posting stuff you read somewhere else. If he/they buy it, they will speak up and people won't jump on you. 

UMBIG11 got jumped on when he showed up claiming to be an insider with no proof. He did exactly what I wrote and now (most) everyone knows he's legit. If you choose not to do that it, don't be surprised by people calling you out. 

umgoblue11

August 1st, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^

Fair enough! Just emailed Seth, so anxiously stand by while you await his verification of my legitness. I erred in trying to post before he verified my background. And I can understand some people for being frustrated because they've been burned by previous troll accounts. I don't take offense to anyone being skeptical-- for all you know, I am some Russian troll sent to rile up the fan base into a tizzy! 

I'll try and "source" specifics in my posts a little better to assuage some fears, but I'd encourage you all to ask questions rather than trying to parse words. I can't show receipts as proof but I am happy to help educate and illuminate where I am able to!

1VaBlue1

August 1st, 2019 at 1:47 PM ^

I have to agree with Don - while I like the post, some attribution would be nice.  I tend to agree with most of what's said, simply because I know the team as well as anyone that's been on this blog all year.  But it reads like some rando poster just throwing up his thoughts.

I'm good with that, because I like the thoughts!

But if you're going to say its from "outsiders", give some credit to whose thoughts they actually are.  Or, at least, provide some type of reference if you're not comfortable outing a source.

BTW, I think Christian Turner is going to make as much noise as ZC will.  I have no reason to believe that, other than also having no reason to not believe it.  So take that to the bank!

umgoblue11

August 1st, 2019 at 2:18 PM ^

One of the first lines of the post, “would drop what I've been hearing about Michigan from various outside sources (NFL scouts and player personnel, other college staffers, etc)”

I respect you for being skeptical and completely understand it! And as my post is titled from outside sources, I would hope folks realize that I am not postulating myself as an insider. I’m not going to stop by with nuggets of inside info, I just figured since it was a dead period I would write what I’ve heard from folks in the NFL and other college programs. 

If you don’t want to believe what I write or am skeptical, that’s cool. But I feel the level of sourcing folks expect on a message board a little much. I’ve been in a position where I’ve heard a lot of cool info for a while but couldn’t share it. But I still can’t put a name to anything I hear because that would burn the people I talk to, and they wouldn’t be so open to me with their thoughts into the future. 

I’m not UMBIG nor Sam Webb, just someone who is in a position to hear a lot of interesting information from college programs and the NFL. If you don’t want to hear it, that’s fine by me I won’t post anymore. 

Don

August 2nd, 2019 at 10:24 AM ^

“But I feel the level of sourcing folks expect on a message board a little much.”

This is my last comment on this—I’m not losing any sleep over your post, and I want to acknowledge your calm reaction to the various critical comments, including mine. It’s normal for those being criticized to fire back with increasing hostility and invective, and you’ve done the opposite.

To your comment about sourcing: one of the reasons MGoBlog has been as successful as it’s been is precisely because Brian established from the get-go that the content here was going to based, as much as possible, on informed, sourced facts and data. It’s the philosophical opposite of RCMB, to pick one example.

That emphasis is reflected in the general population of MGoBlog, which has a large core of fans who share and appreciate Brian’s approach, and many of these MGoBloggers post greatly valuable fact-based information themselves that they post sources for when appropriate (no, I don’t put myself in that category). 

In other words, I think the general expectations here for board posts are much higher than for the typical message board, which is one reason why there’s such focused abuse of truly ridiculous posts (yours is not in that group). And when necessary the mods will take action and nuke the epically stupid or vile shit that occasionally gets posted. And that’s a good thing. It’s a form of community policing that in my experience is lacking on most boards and social media sites.

One final thing: believe it or not, I fervently hope that all of the positive things you wrote are borne out during the season.

Hail-Storm

August 1st, 2019 at 1:57 PM ^

I'm really happy to hear how well the inside of the line looks.  Love the Ruiz is so highly thought of. Having a strong center like Glasgow and Molk, getting the line set and making line calls will be huge. 

I'm a little concerned you didn't talk about the Tackles.  I'm hoping they are strong enough to keep Shae clean and open some holes in the run game.  Gattis' quick strike spread I'm hoping will also help in this aspect.

NotADuck

August 1st, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^

Great info but I am confused about one thing you said.  When you stated the proverbial light bulb, "went off" for McKeon did you mean that last year he wasn't thinking straight and his light bulb wasn't turned on?  Or did you mean that this year he has is thinking straight and his light bulb has actually turned on even though you said it "went off" (like when a guy "goes off" on somebody it means he's dominating)?

Midukman

August 1st, 2019 at 2:42 PM ^

Agreed. Thi schedule sucks ass from a potential loss standpoint. Wiscy is at camp Randall, the fighting leprechauns aren’t gonna roll over for us and neither is Sharty. Whoever scheduled Army should be fired and Iowa is fuking Iowa, thank god we don’t play there. That brings me to the trailer park boys to the south. Does anyone really think they’re gonna have a drop off if Fields stays healthy. I’d love 12-0 but the realist in me sees a 9-3 season which I pray every night I’m wrong. 

AZBlue

August 1st, 2019 at 3:02 PM ^

As we are all getting in shape for the season, I respectfully remind you that terms like “Sharty” and “O$U” are discouraged on this board.  Be better than that - or consider heading to Mlive.

Also - I am all for giving OSU the benefit of the doubt until we beat them but.......... please explain what about Justin Fields leads you to believe he will be a great QB this year? (outside of his star rating)  He did almost nothing at UGA and basically sucked at the OSU spring game.  I don’t think he will be bad but would bet he will be a significant step down from Haskins as a passer.

chatster

August 1st, 2019 at 3:28 PM ^

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl whose uncle’s cousin’s sister’s hairstylist parks next to this guy who heard from various outside sources (NFL scouts and player personnel, other college staffers, etc.) who’ve been listening to 31 college football podcasts and reading lots of college football blogs and who told this other guy about everything that was passed out on maize-colored paper at 31 Flavors last night. I guess umgoblue11's predictions are pretty serious. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-SieCU11r4

LabattsBleu

August 1st, 2019 at 4:08 PM ^

Great comments... especially about being patient with the offense... i remember not being impressed at all with PSU under Moorhead the first 5-6 games - particularly when Michigan throttled them...

once they turned the corner however, they were a juggernaut... having someone as talented as Barkley can make any offense go from good to great mind you... but it was still impressive.

mrjblock24

August 1st, 2019 at 4:33 PM ^

Going to go out on a limb here and disagree with you about Wisconsin's defense being "very good." They lose their top two LB's from last year, have a very young and inexperienced secondary. They should be average, and we should score at least 30 on them.

Bucks

August 1st, 2019 at 5:00 PM ^

To condense this down:

Cough cough ahem flem, hairball finally has it figured out y'all!

Sit back & enjoy the amazing spectacle... of a middling-plus 9 win season. Complete with losses yet again to rivals and redundant excuses after.