Michigan State Snowflakes: The Coaching
October 31st, 2020 at 3:57 PM ^
There is no win total to go to a bowl game this year. Either way, I don’t think this team deserves to go to a bowl game.
October 31st, 2020 at 10:21 PM ^
Exactly, and if they did what player would sit out prepping for an NFL career they wont have?
October 31st, 2020 at 4:00 PM ^
But “we’re Michigan”, which is exactly how they play and why they don’t have any edge. Forget talent measurable a, Devin Bush was the only player to play with the attitude the great teams have game in and game out (win or lose). These guys fold and have no fight out there. How do you lose to THIS Michigan State? By being convinced you’re better than them and going in with that attitude. It’s also why OSU hangs 65+ on UM, because they treat it like the season depends on it and they attack it. Jim’s fire is GONE and no one can convince me otherwise.
October 31st, 2020 at 7:42 PM ^
That’s exactly it. Don Brown thought their o line was so bad he could line up in the 3-3-5 and fuck around all day and get a few picks.
Gattis thought they could just run in the middle all day to set up the pass behind the LBs.
They both treated it like an exhibition and didn’t adjust, just magically waiting for Michigan to our athlete them. Then young inexperienced guys started to have drops and mental errors and it snow balled out of control.
October 31st, 2020 at 11:37 PM ^
Well to be honest, Michigan State's offensive line is that bad, its just that they have nearly always played their single best game of the year against Michigan since Dantonio arrived. They'll go back to being hot garbage next week.
November 1st, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
Thinking back to the lack of preparation and lack of emotion we witnessed, it sure seems the Michigan coaches and team assumed a victory and was looking ahead to the IU game.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
Time for Harbaugh and staff to go
October 31st, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh just lost, at home, in year 6, to a garbage MSU team with significantly less talent than us, that lost at home to Rutgers, to a first year mediocre coach Mel Tucker who was hired in desperation after Dantonio retired in February.
Im literally speechless.
Fire Harbaugh.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^
Exactly! This is the one that did it for me! Ive always been nervous to play msu except this game because what you stated and then that happened! I'm done!
October 31st, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
Don stubborn as mule Brown
October 31st, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
Will the Harbaugh defenders please tell me one more time how it’s unrealistic to compete with our rival OSU because of the talent disparity, but MSU competes just fine with us with a talent disparity? And how getting less and less top 100 players than we got under Hoke will somehow make it better? This program is so full of itself thinking it’s so great and just needs to show up to win and this game proved it again. It also proved that Harbaugh is literally nothing special as a coach. I am done wasting time on this program until it decides it actually wants to put in work to do something great now instead of just talking about the past, the past, the past.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:54 PM ^
I have LOVED Michigan since I was a kid. And all you ever hear about is the past. What are we doing presently to earn such a revered reputation? Absolutely NOTHING. I feel like when we go on the recruiting trail, we have an "Arrogance" that sells Michigan to kids. We could be selling to kids that we ay the hardest in the nation, no team will work harder than us, and that's why we win. We see nothing but the Arrogance of the program spreading like a disease
October 31st, 2020 at 9:22 PM ^
The "past" for me is the 2006 team that went into Columbus at #2 in the nation and the 2011 miracle Brady Hoke team. The rest is all faded memory, text in history books, from before I was born.
October 31st, 2020 at 5:22 PM ^
Because MSU is willing to lose to awful Rutgers in order to make Michigan a competitive game. Should Michigan start competing with Ohio State, you would see Michigan lose its expected wins to awful Big Ten teams. Same reason why OSU nearly lost to Maryland and was blown out by Purdue before pantsing Michigan in 2018.
I have been warning that Harbaugh would get fired faster if he takes the Hoke approach of losing the winnable games to make OSU more competitive. IMO now that this debacle happened, he should just go all-in: prepare for nobody but Ohio State for the rest of the season.
I am not excusing this loss by any stretch; just creating a narrative where this game can happen and still be consistent with other teams' performances.
October 31st, 2020 at 9:19 PM ^
I am a young(er) Michigan fan. I did not truly "live" through the desolate times of the Rich Rod era. I was very much around for the Brady Hoke debacle. Up until today I have been adamant that Harbaugh would eventually get it done here and get Michigan into the Big Ten Championship and set them up for a potential playoff berth.
After bad losses (see 2018 OSU, 2018 UF, 2019 Wisco, 2019 OSU) there would be the rumbling talk of firing Harbaugh. A main counterpoint has always been "well who are you going to get that could keep Michigan at their current level and maybe, eventually, get them to Indy and the CFP." I always believed in this sentiment; and vehemently supported Harbaugh staying on as HC as long as he could.
That was until today. What I witnessed today flipped the switch for me. Harbaugh will never elevate Michigan to the CFP and elite status. We either need to move on or accept the fact that Michigan will lose 3 to 4 times a year in perpetuity.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
The coaching sucked ass. That is all.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:51 PM ^
Will the Harbaugh defenders please tell me one more time how it’s unrealistic to compete with our rival OSU because of the talent disparity, but MSU competes just fine with us with a talent disparity? And how getting less and less top 100 players than we got under Hoke will somehow make it better? This program is so full of itself thinking it’s so great and just needs to show up to win and this game proved it again. It also proved that Harbaugh is literally nothing special as a coach. I am done wasting time on this program until it decides it actually wants to put in work to do something great now instead of just talking about the past, the past, the past.
Also this website is a microcosm of the football program...OUTDATED AND SLOW
October 31st, 2020 at 4:04 PM ^
Hole' up. You better use the proper pronoun!
October 31st, 2020 at 9:19 PM ^
I don't know, but one possible answer is that the talent gap between a well-coached/experienced high second-deviation athlete and third-deviation athlete is much smaller than the gap between a well-coached/experienced third-deviation athlete and a fourth-deviation athlete, or something like that. The idea is that just because one is comparatively worse doesn't mean that the degrees of worseness are equal.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
It’s time to give Urban a call. Fuck it. Our only chance to be relevant again. This was an embarrassing loss.
October 31st, 2020 at 6:54 PM ^
Is he available? If not him then Tom Allen.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^
Out coached, decisively. Im with the mgoblog covid warriors now... lets just cancel this season
October 31st, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^
Awful offensive game plan and poor execution by the defense. The talent gap is extremely wide and the coaches didn’t leverage scheme or matchups to take advantage.
Utter disaster and it all points to Harbaugh.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^
In a word, sucked!
October 31st, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^
1) Don Brown is absolutely terrible. 1 trick pony; is garbage without All Americans across the D-line and secondary.
2) Gattis has a future and should get out of dodge before the stench of loser sticks to him and ruins his future.
3) The game has passed Harbaugh by, he has lost passion and the curiousity to learn new schemes.
4) Time to move on from this staff. Thanks for returning us to mediocrity.
October 31st, 2020 at 8:06 PM ^
I have no idea why Gattis gets a pass, here. Wasn't the offensive playcalling atrocious? In the modern game, your opponent gets points. I thought Gattis was the guy who was going to help us keep pace.
October 31st, 2020 at 9:44 PM ^
Because it had Harbaugh’s influence written all over it.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:54 PM ^
I thought the worst coach in Michigan was Matt Patricia. I might have to walk that thought back.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:54 PM ^
Great job today. Great pressure from Don Brown. Corners held up on their islands. You can see the depth on D with all of the great recruiting.
On offense, interior line really was great so good to see them keep trying to go up the middle. Big fan of the wildcat on second scoring drive. Great clock usage at the end.
Thought it was brilliant to not call timeout and force review for critical dropped pass. Needed that 3rd TO to force a 4th and 2 that they got anyway after a great onside kick.
Things are looking up!
October 31st, 2020 at 3:55 PM ^
Terrible game plan on both sides.
- running up the middle on 2nd and 10 constantly.
- awful play calls by Gattis at the wrong time.
- too many guys dropping passes.
- Not utilizing Milton correctly often and early enough.
- Don Brown, wtf man, no blitz when not getting a pass rush and taking way too long to change out CB's.
- Took forever to run plays on last drive and dinking and dunking, inexcusable.
- The whole team looked unprepared and not ready to play and sleepwalking through the game.
- So many other things, just unacceptable at this point in year 6.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
Not utilizing Milton correctly often and early enough.
I'm honestly not even sure what that is. Having an arm that can throw it 70 yards is nice, but it's not so helpful when those throws are 20 yards past the WR. Said it elsewhere, but he really started to remind me of Shane Morris this game. Every pass is a rocket, inaccurate on a lot of throws, and wildly inaccurate down the field.
His 300 yards passing in this game are some of the most hollow yardage I've seen in a long, long time.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:33 PM ^
Completely disagree. He had a lot of great throws and his receivers had a lot of drops. He's not good at the verticals though for whatever reason.
October 31st, 2020 at 6:36 PM ^
The lack of vertical accuracy is a big problem for the offense though. (Regular accuracy is an issue too) MSU figured that out and dared Milton to beat them deep, and he can't. Not even close. All they can do is throw short, which allows the defense to pack the box, which kills your running game.
And then once you bring in the regular accuracy where he's throwing too high, too far behind, or too low and not allowing WRs or RBs to consistently get YAC that becomes another problem. On a day he had 300 yards on 52 pass attempts, the long "passes" were 20 and 26 yards YAC gainers to Wilson and Giles. That's an issue.
October 31st, 2020 at 7:05 PM ^
The deep game isn't all on Milton. His WR's need to get open deep and he needs time. He didn't get either today.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:35 PM ^
They needed to run him to the sidelines more, early so he can pick a running lane to use his athleticism.
Bootleg passes to utilize said athleticism and if someone wasn't open or covered, tuck it and run.
Guys need to catch the ball when a good throw is made.
Running up the middle on 2nd and 10 multiple times when it was clearly not working wasn't the way to go.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^
No secondary, outside of Dax
Poor DT play since Hurst graduated
Poor run blocking, and we're still running the ball up the middle in the last minute when we're down 10.
OSU is going to [do very nasty things to this team's backside], if this season lasts that long.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:58 PM ^
Yesh what a mess.
3 TD favorites good god man.
let me share with you all what ill be doing the rest of the year and its worked in the past.
1.DVR the game
2.when the kids are in bed check the score. If you like the results watch the game. If you dont DELETE
October 31st, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^
I've been doing that for years, outside of MSU and OSU. I like to be punched in the balls in real time for those games.
What a shitshow.
Maybe we'll get lucky and the rest of the season will be called off.
October 31st, 2020 at 11:51 PM ^
I’m adopting this practice right now. Bless you
October 31st, 2020 at 3:59 PM ^
Happy Halloween! Tucker kicked Harbaugh in the nuts and stole his candy today.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:59 PM ^
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October 31st, 2020 at 3:59 PM ^
That was hard to watch. It makes me sad as a UM fan. The team never seems fired up. The game plan was.........wrong. The execution, poor. Zero development of the corners. Zordich got away with not wanting to recruit because he was developing talent. The corners aren’t starter quality for any team in the big ten. What we saw today we will see for the rest of the season. If the corners don’t get better, and Brown insists on running the same scheme, we are fucked.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:59 PM ^
John McKay, the old coach of USC, was at one time the GM for the Bucs back during their inception. During 0-16 and years of utter incompetence. He was once asked by the media about his team’s level of execution.
He simply said “Execution? I’m all for it.” Somehow that quote feels applicable here.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:15 PM ^
McKay was the head coach as well for the Buc's. That quote was in reference to the execution of the offense
October 31st, 2020 at 4:01 PM ^
The only rationale response is to fire everyone. Every single coach. Utter trash.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:02 PM ^
The really sad part about today’s game is Harbaugh will be really proud of how the team competed and Don Brown will really believe that if MSU had just missed on a couple of those downfield throws it would have been different. Sigh...
October 31st, 2020 at 4:03 PM ^
Really putrid performance all the way around
running into boxes where we had numbers and we’re getting 1-2 yards on first down
didnt so much as breathe on rocky Lombardi all day
amazingly poor game plan
October 31st, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^
It’s really cool that Wisconsin and Penn state and seemingly everyone but Michigan can run a new QB and they barely slow down. We have a kid in year 3 that seemingly has all the arm strength anyone will ever need and zero trust from the coaches to throw vertically.