Michigan at #13 in CFP, move up 2 spots

Submitted by Ajcoss on November 19th, 2019 at 8:22 PM

Title says it all. Top 7 didn’t change, same order. Oklahoma only moved up 1 spot which was cool to see. 

Only Florida at 11 and Wisconsin at 12 are above UM with 2 losses. 

I like hypotheticals and this is a message board, so what the heck. Anybody think UM has any shot at the top 4 even if they win out? Seems like an OSU blowout this weekend, and UM a convincing win over them  would bump them pretty high. Not saying high enough, but worth the debate. Thoughts? 

bluesalt

November 19th, 2019 at 10:55 PM ^

I think we'd have to beat OSU by 30+ to have anything of a shot (and crush Indiana this week.)  We need to jump FOUR conference teams, two of which we've lost to, and one of which we won't play.

So it goes:

OSU beats Penn St.

Minny wins out (thus handing Wisconsin a loss).

We annihilate OSU.

OSU beats Minny unimpressively but by enough to drop Minny below us without raising OSU past us.

And then all of the other crazy stuff you talk about to boot.  Merely beating OSU by even two touchdowns at home isn't going to vault us from the 10-12 range we'd enter next week at over OSU, or certainly not enough to keep us above them with the boost they'd get from winning the conference championship game.  Winning 5 in a row by 30+ would allow the Committee to consider us in the "best team right now" discussion, but we'd need serious style points to overcome two losses and no division title.

saveferris

November 20th, 2019 at 7:44 AM ^

We needed PSU to finish with 3 losses and OSU 2.

This is mathematically impossible at the point.  A 3-loss PSU means OSU is no worse than a single loss.  A two loss OSU means Penn State will have finished no worse than 2 losses in conference.

Michigan has been eliminated from B1G Championship contention for 2019, but that doesn't mean we don't have plenty to play for.

BuckeyeChuck

November 19th, 2019 at 9:29 PM ^

True. A 2-loss conference champion will still receive consideration, but a 2-loss NON-champion will not make it. Wisconsin, however, can win out and be a 2-loss conference champion and they will be in the mix. Not saying they'll get in, but they'll be considered if they get wins over Minniesoda & OSU/PSU plus their win over Michigan. This could get them closer to 6, but would need a lot of help elsewhere to get to 4.

Ajcoss

November 19th, 2019 at 9:44 PM ^

I think we overplay the conference champ thing. Has it really helped anyone? Maybe Washington the year they got #4. PSU got left out as a champ. I can give you a few examples where the none champ was playing better and frankly committee members thought that team was better than the “x” conference champ. (OSU and Bama). 

Ajcoss

November 19th, 2019 at 8:38 PM ^

Here is the path I see.

LSU - Wins Out, clear #1

OSU - hammers PSU, UM beats them solidly. OSU beats Wisconsin/Minnesota, they get in.

Clemson - Like to say lose, but weak schedule so say in.

Georgia - Loses to LSU at end. 

Bama - Loses to Auburn without Tua. Or looks really ugly Winning.

Oregon/Utah - One needs to lose the next 2 weeks. Turnaround and beat other in PAC 12 CG. Thus 2 loss team wins.

Oklahoma - Loses a game somewhere. No other Big 12 team really high.

This would leave Georgia, Oregon/Utah winner, Bama, Michigan, and whoever wins Big 12, Florida fighting for 1 spot. Michigan (maybe Florida) would be the only team riding the momentum of not losing in last 5 weeks. But beating OSU solidly would bump us past Florida. Not saying it would come out in our favor. But we would all watch that selection Sunday pretty close. UM would get some talk. 

I think Oregon/Utah losing before they play is the hardest to happen. The rest doesn’t seem that far fetched. 

Above scenario has it LSU, Clemson, OSU, and Michigan (beating out the teams above)

 

TrueBlue2003

November 20th, 2019 at 1:37 AM ^

I just posted the identical thing above.  Apologize for not scrolling down. 

You forget about Baylor who would possibly finish ahead of a 2-loss Michigan if they win out.  The B12 needs a two loss champ like the PAC12 does.  Much more likely for the B12 though since Baylor plays Texas this weekend (and is only favored by 5.5) and OU still has OSU.

Agree that the PAC12 scenario is the most unlikely by far.  Oregon and Utah have escaped several close games and that probably doomed the chances of a miracle for Michigan because both have easy remaining schedules.

The Mad Hatter

November 19th, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^

I'd like to think everyone would play, but we had a goddamn captain sit out last year so who the fuck knows?

I don't like players sitting out bowl games, although I understand why. But bowl games are important for momentum, recruiting, and the media narrative.

You signed up to play and got a scholarship to do it. Play the damn games. All of them.

Maize and Blue AF

November 19th, 2019 at 8:40 PM ^

Not a chance, with two losses and no conference CG win.  I would be thrilled if our boys won out and came home with a Rose Bowl victory.  Or even if they just managed to get the OSU monkey off their backs.

smwilliams

November 19th, 2019 at 8:43 PM ^

Options will narrow after this weekend, but if Ohio State beats Penn State and Michigan wins out and then Ohio State beats the Minnesota/Wisconsin winner, Michigan will go to the Rose Bowl as I’d believe they’d end up around 7 or 8 and the highest remaining B1G team. 
 
If Michigan drops Indiana or Ohio State, Holiday Bowl vs. USC or Washington.

Now, it gets more interesting if let’s say Penn State wins and Wisconsin beats Minnesota and then Penn State in the B1G Championship. Then, you’d have a 2-loss Wisky champ and PSU, Michigan, and OSU all with 2 losses. My guess is Wisky would go to the Rose Bowl and Michigan could end up in the Citrus vs Auburn?

 

mGrowOld

November 19th, 2019 at 9:10 PM ^

Absolutely nobody.  The only team they did play that was any good kicked their ass.  And now they lost their starting QB, long expected to be the first pick in the draft for the year.  Any other school from any other conference is going to drop lower than 5 if that happened.

I said it last week and this weeks ranking just proves my point.  The committee  WANTS three SEC teams in there.  LSU, Georgia and Alabama and they will gig the system to make it happen.

Michigan has 0.0 chances of getting in.  Sorry all.

Ajcoss

November 19th, 2019 at 9:50 PM ^

Never ever will 3 teams from same conference make it in the current 4 team structure. I would say UM is like 3%. To say 0.0% is just off. UM has a way better chance than 3 teams from same conference. Need a few upsets this week though. And UM needs to keep winning by 17+. 

Personally I think you get to the end. Most members throwout conference junk and just say, who do I think the 4 best teams are right now if they play. This is why Bama gets lots of love every year, this year might be different with Tua and literally 0 quality wins. 

A Lot of Milk

November 19th, 2019 at 9:53 PM ^

It's a moot point if they lose to auburn. You could probably make a good argument that they don't deserve to be in even if they do beat auburn, but it seems kinda harsh to penalize them for being in the same division as lsu, especially when we know they're very likely still one of the four best teams in the country

OSUtopia

November 19th, 2019 at 9:29 PM ^

So Wisconsin beat Michigan, but Michigan should be ranked higher. Even though their records are the same.

Conversely, if UM beats OSU but OSU wins out, Michigan goes to the Rose Bowl because they will be the highest ranked Big Ten team.

Higher ranked at 10-2 than a 12-1 OSU. Even with losses to PSU and Wisky, 2 teams OSU would have beaten. Even though UM didn't win its division or conference. And OSU did.

Just trying to follow the logic here.

bdneely4

November 19th, 2019 at 9:57 PM ^

So if Michigan beats OSU should Michigan be ranked higher. I think the point is how do the teams look today. That’s why the do the rankings every week right?  I would say at this moment Michigan does look like the better team than Wisconsin or Florida. 

OSUtopia

November 19th, 2019 at 11:06 PM ^

Yes, I agree that how a team looks today is important. Finishing strong is meaningful. However, it doesn't mean that the resume is wiped clean. What happened earlier in the season is also important. When the rankings are done each week, both issues are considered and a conclusion is reached.

raleighwood

November 19th, 2019 at 11:57 PM ^

Why better than Florida?  They've only lost to two Top 5 teams.  They also have a win against Auburn and recently destroyed Missouri.  I'd say that Michigan and Florida are pretty comparable...but Florida has the edge at this point. 

I know.....why don't they settle it in a bowl game!

 

 

 

FA_Wolverine

November 19th, 2019 at 10:03 PM ^

My point is all based on resume. How many top 25 wins and who are your losses to. 
 

Michigan has 2 top 25 wins and 2 top 25 Ls 

Wisconsin has 2 top 25 wins (H2H over Mich), 1 top 25 L, and then a bad loss to Illini. That L has to matter. 
 

Florida has 1 top 25 W and 2 top 25 Ls. Florida has also played 2 FCS teams. 
 

The rest of what you said honestly doesn’t make sense to me. You’re just throwing out some random hypothetical. I’m talking about rankings based on resume which changes weekly cause teams win and lose. 
 

mGrowOld

November 19th, 2019 at 9:04 PM ^

Insert Lloyd Christmas "so you're saying there's a chance gif"

Realistically our best path would involve time travel and a different outcome to the PSU game.  Short of that I think it's wait until next year time again.