Mark Turgeon out at Maryland
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^
What the fuck did he do. Something had to have happened.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^
Be a mediocre at best coach for many, many years?
Edit: He tried to fight Juwan Howard!
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:13 PM ^
I think he is good enough to not get fired right after the season starts and not having lost like every game or something unless they are covering something up.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:15 PM ^
It does seem like there's a back story here that hasn't come out yet. Where there's smoke...
They're calling it mutual. Hope it's not a health issue with Turgeon.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:17 PM ^
That's a great point. I missed the "mutual" initially. I will feel terrible.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:33 PM ^
"Mutual" doesn't necessarily mean much. LSU and Orgeron "mutually agreed" to part company also.
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:55 PM ^
Exactly. "Mutual" as in, we won't fire you if you agree to go quietly.
Hope it's not health-related, or something worse. He did try to be a little tough guy with Juwan, so not really shedding a tear over here.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
There is really no smoke to anything else, he has been getting booed at home games, has looked miserable, and quit because he knew he couldn't turn it around and he was getting fired at the end of the year
December 3rd, 2021 at 5:22 PM ^
Hopefully not health related. More likely they wanted him out and allowed to him to position it as mutual, as long as he went along
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:21 PM ^
Counterpoint: Manning was dreadful at Wake Forest. It was either actually Turgeon's decision or something else happened.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^
I don't have any specific knowledge of Turgeon at Maryland, but I was at A&M for the entirety of his tenure there. His predecessor was Billy Gillispie, who was a raging alcoholic who publicly flirted with the Arkansas job before leaving for Kentucky in the middle of the night. Most people have nice things to say about Gillispie in College Station and I've never heard a good word about Turgeon. I think something can be inferred from that.
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:19 PM ^
I bet they have alot nicer things to say about Turgeon in Lexington than Gillespie.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:22 PM ^
Every MD fan I know, which is a lot being from MD, has wanted to fire him for years. Probably would have been fired last year if not for Covid financial concerns. Dude was getting booed and fire Turgeon chants after the last game in a pretty empty arena.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^
MD won the big ten in 2019-20
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^
What's your point. That Maryland fans are irrational?
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:10 PM ^
Having a random good year doesn't really overcome a decade of mediocrity. Not to mention that team absolutely played less than the sum of its parts. The thing that was the most frustrating about Turgeon is that he isn't terrible, you can get a worse coach, but he also was never going to have a really good team that made a legitimate run
December 3rd, 2021 at 4:14 PM ^
Save this quote for Sparty in a few football seasons.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:45 PM ^
It's bizarre timing, but I think it's just he's a shitty coach and it was just mutual agreement that it was over. Wasted talent for years and never lived up to many lofty preseason rankings.
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^
Other than Bruno Fernandez, it's impossible to name a player that improved during Turgeon's time. He recruited pretty well, but most players stagnated. You could lay that blame at a few players, but over 10 years, it definitely points to the coaching.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^
Relevant Link:
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:02 PM ^
I think Turgeon and Maryland were just mutually sick of each other after 10+ years. He never won enough for what Maryland fans deemed acceptable and he clearly was tired of all of the negativity directed his way. Dude looked like he aged about a decade over the past 2-3 seasons.
He took a couple big name transfers which significantly raised preseason expectations, with knobs like Andy Katz declaring them a top-5 team in the immediate aftermath. Now that they're 5-3 and likely going nowhere, both parties probably figured they might as well just call it a day and get on with their respective lives.
Make no mistake, I'm not defending Turg. I never thought he was anything more than replacement-level as a coach.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^
woah, kind of early in the season
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:13 PM ^
Took me a while to realize this wasn't a football post. I was thinking maybe he was the OC or something lol.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^
Same, lol! My first reaction was "but, but... they're bowl eligible!"
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:14 PM ^
Scared of Juwan. Finally acknowledging it.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^
Juwan nightmares were too much.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^
Is that the Danny Manning?
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^
Yep, of Danny and the Miracles.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:26 PM ^
Maybe Roy Manning is even more confused than we realized.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^
Interesting. The one Maryland fan that I know will be thrilled. They seemed condemned to tournament failures with him. I wonder what happened. My lightly-educated sense is that Maryland is not committed to being a terribly clean program.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^
Darn, who's HD going to troll NOW?
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:19 PM ^
he's going to focus his efforts on MMA training, hoping for a big payday fight with Juwan.
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:08 PM ^
Would get destroyed, Juwan's rubber guard is legendary
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:22 PM ^
At least Danny Manning will look slightly more intimidating if he comes after Juwan like Marky did.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^
The reaction from the MD fanbase is basically that dobby is a free elf.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
Perfect! Now he can finally leave basketball and go into fish taxidermy and be called, “Mark Turgeon the Sturgeon Surgeon”!
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:33 PM ^
How long have you been waiting to pull that rhyme out?
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:37 PM ^
it was kinda now or never, though. the opportunities to pull it out later are not...um...burgeoning.
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:55 PM ^
shades of that old kip adotta song, 'wet dreams'
I turned to him, I said, "Abalone -- You're just being shellfish"
Well, I knew it was going to be trouble, and so did Gil, 'cuz he was
already on the phone to the cods
The haddock hits me with a sucker punch
I catch him with a left hook
He eels over
It was a fluke, but there he was, lying on the deck, flat as a mackerel
Kelpless
I said, "Forget the cods, Gil, this guy's gonna need a sturgeon"
Well, the yellowtail was impressed with the way I landed her boyfriend
She came over to me, she said, "Hey big boy, you're really a game fish"
"What's your name?"
I said, "Marlin"
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:37 PM ^
lol, danny manning. turgeon is at least a professional coach.
i'll say this - the one-on-one games between DMV coaches just got way better..
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^
He's been trending down so I can see the desire to move on but this early in the season is unexpected. Also, Danny Manning taking over doesn't strike me as a sudden injection of life into the program but I guess we'll see.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:53 PM ^
Of course, "mutual" sometimes has that ring of "resign or you know what we will do", and typically, it especially does when things are very sudden. I am sure many of us have seen that happen over the years in our positions. I kind of wonder what the story here is then, because this seems....out of the blue. Even if it is something as innocuous as him being on the outs with his boss or the university over something, I am curious now.
December 3rd, 2021 at 3:02 PM ^
Maybe this is MD's first step in preparing for a move to the Big 12...said sarcastically with fingers still crossed.
December 3rd, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^
Feel like they just won the Big Ten a few years ago, but they seem to never do much of anything in the tournament, so that may be a big reason why. Still, its an odd reason to fire the guy right after the season starts, unless something happened off-court that we're just not aware of yet.
In any case, unless they've already planned to make an internal hire, Maryland should be able to get a good coach. Its a really good basketball school that can lure in some great talent on a year to year basis.
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^
Holy fuck, who did he touch?
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:22 PM ^
Terp Tears - so sweet!
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:44 PM ^
A: "My girlfriend and I broke up."
B: "Who dumped who?"
A: "It was kind of a mutual thing."
B: "Oh, so she dumped you."
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^
Hey, Maryland is bowl eligible. It’s a football school now.
December 3rd, 2021 at 3:14 PM ^
The first thing I thought of when I saw this was that Michigan and Maryland have had similar seasons so far - failing to even sniff the preseason expectations, surprising losses, trouble assimilating a lot of new players etc. The difference obviously is that Juwan still has a deep well of built-up capital and love with our fans, whereas Turgeon had expended all of his in the last 10 years.
But it's still worth noting coaches sometimes lose their jobs after starts like ours and Maryland's.
Let's go Blue! Figure it out!