Let the NCAA know what you think about the new clock rules

Submitted by zh2oson on September 5th, 2023 at 1:32 PM

Brian cited this in his game recap post: 

https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1698737115394425186?s=20

Excuse the source, but there's this as well:

https://twitter.com/TonyGerdeman/status/1698720207315886369?s=20

Less football.  More commercials.  Great work everyone!  

It won't make a lick of difference, but if you feel inclined to voice your displeasure, you may email the NCAA Rules Committee here:

[email protected]

You know nothing will change; I know nothing will change; Henri the Otter of Ennui knows nothing will change...but if some lackey at the NCAA has to sift through 17 extra emails today, I will feel slightly less aggrieved. 

 

goblu330

September 5th, 2023 at 1:48 PM ^

I had not considered how the clock changes could and likely will impact numbers and production for players.  It may not have much impact on sling-it-all-over-no-defense teams but in terms of grinding teams like Michigan it could have significant impact.  I simply don't see how it is possible for somebody like Corum to rack up the same yardage he did last year.

It is just bad and I wish they would consider rescinding it effective immediately.  I hated it the moment I heard about it. Nobody was asking for this change and it seems like a solution in search of a problem.

FauxMo

September 5th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^

You know what we need? A good, old-fashioned peasant revolt. You know, when the serfs have finally had enough of the egregious abuses of the lords and the landed gentry and just clean house. It usually ends with the total slaughter of the peasants by well-trained and well-armed knights, but was often followed by important egalitarian reforms. Let's take one for the team, people! 

mrlmichael

September 5th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^

Michigan will have to change the approach they had last year and not be content to run into a brick wall for a half when teams are determined to take away the run, the games will have fewer possessions and they will open themselves up to more upset opportunities this way.

Thankfully, the ECU game seems to indicate they don't plan to take the same approach as last year.

unWavering

September 5th, 2023 at 1:58 PM ^

The only thing that will change anything is if people stop watching.

It hasn't happened..... yet.  But I can't imagine we're that far off from it.  It's becoming hard to justify to myself spending 4 hrs on a Saturday watching what seems like 2 hrs of commercials just to see my favorite team beat a hapless minor conference team.  I've been a huge CFB fan for almost 20 years and even my interest is waning.  If Michigan wins a title this year, I've already been thinking of calling that the end of my fandom, ironically.  It'd be a good way to go out.

rob f

September 5th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^

While I understand where you're coming from (and I live within 40 minutes of both Hope and Calvin), I won't be doing the same.

For me, it comes down to drawing the line here: There's only two things I hate in this world---people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.

So nope, watching Calvin-Hope ain't happening!

St Joe Blues

September 5th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^

It's happening with me. I would normally spend most of Saturday watching football. As it was, I watched all of the Michigan game then started in on whatever was next, switching between the 3 games that I got with my TV package. Due to all the commercials, I actually got bored and shut off the TV. There were multiple times when I'd switch between all three games and they were all at commercial. They're losing me for the games in which I have a passing interest, although I'm not willing to shut off the Michigan game. Yet.

KC Wolve

September 5th, 2023 at 2:27 PM ^

It is happening, but it will take a bit. I rarely watch games live anymore and I almost never throw on random games like I used to. Its just too long. I used to be mad when my kids had events during game times, now I love it. Leave my phone in the car and if the timing is right, I can start watching a bit after half and finish "live" during the 4th. If I can't pull that off, I just don't watch unless its a big game. I also rarely go to games in person for this very reason. Its just not worth the hassle just to stand around watching players just stand around for an entire afternoon. If you would have told me, I would be doing either of the above 5-10 years ago, I would have said you were crazy. I love CFB, but it is just being ruined by university leadership and TV execs. 

Meteorite00

September 5th, 2023 at 2:00 PM ^

To corroborate this:

The total runtime of the Peacock replay of the ECU game --- which seems to exclude the times for commercial blocks --- is 2h, 33 min,  About 5 min of that was dedicated to pregame. 

zh2oson

September 5th, 2023 at 2:15 PM ^

The one nice thing about Saturday's Peacock experience was that the stream went live a few minutes early and showed the band doing it's thing.  That was awesome...and something that I think the streaming services/apps should lean into.

Give me some dedicated content.

Maybe (meek voice, shoulders shrugging) a streaming service could shave off a commercial or two every break to broadcast live from the stadium??  Show me the student section singing Mr. Brightside instead of the trailer for the AI movie for the 34th time and I'll take my medicine more willingly going forward.  

crlake202

September 5th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^

My dad and myself have season tickets together. He has had his for over 40 years and I took over his second ticket which historically was my moms even though I usually went with him. My mom used mine this past weekend and I went up north with my family. During the game I played the audio over my phone and kayaked around the lake with my wife and then each of my kids separately while I heard cheers from other cabins who forked out the money for peacock. I was tempted, it wasn’t the money, but a little bit of principle I guess, but the alternative was so much better. Covid removed sports from my life like everyone else during that time and I learned I could live without it being such a serious part of my life. Michigan football is the one think I held onto strongest because of my degree and the family history of games that I passed on to my son. I am not going again this weekend, we gave both tickets to my sister and Bowling Green will be my first of the year, with my son, not my dad. I never thought there would be a time when I wouldn’t have tickets, but if the game experience continues to deteriorate I can see the possibility. I never thought anything could replace a Saturday in Ann Arbor, but the networks and financial greed (which I understand, it a business and push it as far as you think you can when you are trying to make money) are pushing me closer to stepping back. I hope I don’t, but I missed the first game of the year for the first time in a very very long time, and the lake, the radio and the family was better. 

goblu330

September 5th, 2023 at 2:26 PM ^

I only watch college football with DVR fast forward.  If there is a game I want to see, Michigan included, I record it and stay in the bubble and then watch it when I can.  There are times when Michigan plays at noon where I don't start the game until 3 and then it is on the TV the rest of the day.  Stay off my phone.  Pause it, rake some leaves.   Pause it, cook some dinner.  Pause it, walk the dog with the kids.  Etc.  Last year I did not finish watching the Iowa game until 8 PM, no joke.  College football is still part of my life, it is just a lot different.

As for live viewing, I go to high school games around my area.  I just find the best game and go watch it.  Great atmosphere and it is 2 hours and $7 with popcorn.  

mGrowOld

September 5th, 2023 at 3:48 PM ^

Same here.  I think the only games I actually watch live anymore are the MSU & OSU games and that's because I want to give some people I know shit real time as it happens.  The rest I record and watch at my convenience skipping ALL the commercials and halftime.  As long as you dont look at your phone you're fine - hey it doesnt matter if the event happened hours ago as long as you dont know the outcome.  I do the same thing for NFL games too - makes the watching experience far more enjoyable IMO.

WeimyWoodson

September 5th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^

I went up for the game with my dad on Saturday. We have been going since the fall of 2008 (my senior year of college) and finally got to check off sitting in section one from our bucket list. We've wanted to do that for years but finally saw a cheap set of tickets.

While sitting there in the heat and the million commercial breaks, I thought to myself that the only reason I'm in the stadium now is because it is something I do with my dad each year. It is becoming so much harder to spend the 3+ hours driving into town, having that long of a game because of commercials, and then the 3+ hour drive back home. 

I'm just hoping that someone comes to their senses and fixes the issue before this wonderful sport is killed for good. 

bossmania

September 5th, 2023 at 2:25 PM ^

Something to think about- a typical 30-minute tv show is around 22 minutes, so 8 minutes of ads, which is ~26.7% of 30 mins. From the reddit post, 56 minutes of ads out of 203 minutes of broadcast time is ~27.5%. Super similar, which is surprising to me because the football commercial time feels so much worse.

jmblue

September 5th, 2023 at 3:33 PM ^

It feels worse because it's a lot choppier. 

A half-hour show will air for 5-7 minutes and then take a commercial break.  The breaks occur at regular, predictable intervals, always spaced out by a decent amount of time.  That's not necessarily the case for a football game, where a touchdown or turnover almost invariably means a commercial break, no matter how recently the last one occurred.

Blue Dispatch

September 5th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^

If fans bring attention to it on a nationally televised game, I think that the NCAA would be put in an very uncomfortable position. 

My idea was all the fans should delay entering the stadium until after the kickoff in protest of this asinine rule change. After kickoff, everyone enters and takes their seats.

Imagine an empty stadium at kickoff. That might generate some attention. 

 

 

bassclefstef

September 5th, 2023 at 2:32 PM ^

In an earlier thread about the conference realignment, I made a half-joke about the Big10 swallowing up as many teams as it can, and then splitting into regional sub-Big10's. The teams in each region would compete within that region, have a few out-of-region crossover games, and then have a championship game (or some sort of tournament leading to a championship game) as a culminating event for the season, and then this Uber Big10 would set themselves up as a competing organization to the NCAA. Honestly, this is getting to be more and more appealing sounding, and the new clock rules are just another bit of evidence for that.

 

TeslaRedVictorBlue

September 5th, 2023 at 2:40 PM ^

im less concerned about the commercials - i find that annoying, but whatever. more pee breaks. 

Im more concerned about the fact that the more possessions michigan gets, the better we do. we wear teams out. We pour it on in the 2nd half. If games are going to be shortened like this, one of our key strengths is mildly neutralized. Its a big deal against bad competition (as it helps increase the variability - think about playing wisconsin in basketball with the 35 second clock), and good competition that scores quickly (look at osu, maryland, maybe psu?)

goblu330

September 5th, 2023 at 2:47 PM ^

Agree that this could have a disparate impact on a team like Michigan.  They are going to have to adjust.  

I also noticed it in the Florida State-LSU game.  FSU up 31-17 with 9 minutes left in the 4th.  Last year 9 minutes left in the 4th was all the time in the world.   This year it really did not feel like there was even time for a comeback.  And running the ball was COMPLETELY off the table for LSU.

Sambojangles

September 5th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^

The clock rules are not set in stone, and there is no perfect number of possessions. Everything is arbitrary and has been changed over the years as the game and environment evolve. So I'm fine with whatever rules they want to go with - it's all made up and just a game, so do whatever. The NFL has a running clock for basically the whole game and it doesn't seem to impact the game in any material way.

The focus should be on the ad breaks - too many, too long, too often. A media timeout either side of a kickoff is an abomination and should be the first thing to go. Stop calling them "clock rule changes" and start calling them "TV advertisement accommodations." 

Through streaming we are now paying more directly for content than ever before (when we paid for cable but that didn't cover the full cost so also had to pay through ad service). Will one please offer a limited commercial broadcast? With corresponding limited timeouts during the gameplay?