Lansing City Pulse "Izzo Fully Informed"

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NateVolk

February 21st, 2018 at 6:07 PM ^

The school is writing it's legacy going forward right now with how they are handling this. 

When they shielded those two coaches and let everything move forward business as usual, they condemned the school for a very long time in the eyes of the world

This article changes nothing on that front. It only makes the defenses MSU sports fans will cook up even more creative/desperate. 

bronxblue

February 21st, 2018 at 6:15 PM ^

It's sorta funny how the MSU partisans in the media already came out and attacked this article before it even got wide release. I mean, at this point there is a lot of evidence that Izzo knew something happened and didn't really care. That might not have been illegal in certain contexts, but it's pretty clear at this point that he only cares about winning basketball games and doesn't give much of a shit how he gets there.

bronxblue

February 21st, 2018 at 9:40 PM ^

None of this surprises me.  I will give him a small bit of doubt in that he seems to not be able to talk about sexual assault eloquently, but I honestly don't believe he is quite as neanderthalic (sp?) as he comes across.  It just reads like someone who lacks the vocabulary to process these types of issues, which is itself depressing but not all that surprising for a 63-year-old rich guy from a tiny-ass town in the UP.

The Krusty Kra…

February 21st, 2018 at 6:49 PM ^

Than the fact John Truscott (MSU PR) and Justin Rose (Ch. 7) actually shared something from the RCMB that was anonymously published under the title "ESPN's Paula Lavigne is a liar"

 

lilpenny1316

February 21st, 2018 at 9:58 PM ^

I don't think we have a single alum that's working the UM beat for Freep or DetNews.  Chengelis has been here for so long that you'd think she's an alum, but she went to U-Cincinnati.  Wojo reports on everybody.  Funny that the ones who screwed over our program were actual alumni.

bronxblue

February 21st, 2018 at 10:07 PM ^

Yeah, I read about a quarter of that "article" and good lord is it the usual bullshit.  They cite the Jones Day report as if it is gospel but seemingly get the dates all wrong; that report was only focused on the handling of the sexual assaults a year ago; the claims against Dantonio (e.g. him having a player accused of sexual assault to talk to his mom) were from instances 7 years ago.  

Also, and you'd think we'd have learned this by now, but "independent reports" that took place over only a couple of months and paid by the school are not always the most objective analysis of a situation.  But I'll concede this report is arguing that, yes, Dantonio told people about the King, etc. assault.  It also showed that Blackwell didn't comply with his duties, which creates that grey area of "senior leaders" vs. director of whatever Curtis Blackwell was in terms of who responded properly.

And don't get me started about their OCR "findings", which they claim Lavigne ignored.  If they had actually read the report, it said: 

OCR determined that a sexually hostile environment existed for and affected numerous students and staff on campus at the University during the time period covered by OCR’s investigation; and that the University’s failure to address complaints of sexual harassment, including sexual violence, in a prompt and equitable manner caused and may have contributed to a continuation of this sexually hostile environment

And as for the sexual assault by Payne/Appling, the report only concluded that despite MSU's ongoing failure to support sexual assault victims, they hadn't failed in their support/created a hostile environment for the victims in this instance.  The OCR is not equipped to perform a criminal adjudication of the actual claims, and they didn't here.   The "preponderance of evidence" claims relate to the standard MSU's student legal system should apply to its handling of these assaults, which the report seemingly makes a lot of effort in pointing out MSU did a bad job at.  They didn't rule on whether or not Appling and Payne assaulted her, only that MSU didn't follow their own standards in adjudicating it.

It's just...it's a shitty post from a message board that some MSU goobers in the media latched on to because reading some legal briefs is beyond the pale for people in the position of reporting on pressing matters, but apparently is well within the ability of a guy sitting on his couch trying to get a NodeJS API to run properly and hasn't practiced as an attorney for about a decade.

MichiganTeacher

February 21st, 2018 at 8:45 PM ^

Sounds like Wonders Hall has a (much) higher standard of behavior than the basketball team does. Not at all surprising. Disgusting though.

Maize4Life

February 21st, 2018 at 9:29 PM ^

seems that EVERY incident of MSU basketball and football players involved in sexual assault found a way to be covered up internally...now how do you suppose that happened????..Izzo and Dantoniono new Nothing????  Hogwash

Archie grosnover

February 21st, 2018 at 10:13 PM ^

At some point I would anticipate that the choice to never prosecute any state basketball or football player will include the Ingram county prosecutor and his contact with the athletic department and the coaches of the football and basketball programs. Keep in mind Stuart cunning’s is now and convicted felon, and believe is now in prison.

You Only Live Twice

February 21st, 2018 at 10:44 PM ^

Dunnings did  a year of jail time and was released in the fall of 2017.  

Yeah, it was quite a system in EL

theintegral

February 21st, 2018 at 11:06 PM ^

I swear to goodness that I saw the police report online around the time that the Title IX situation reared its head.  Remember the specifics.  Most disgusting.  Police absolutely recommended the the 2 be charged with rape. Where did the report go? 

jbrandimore

February 22nd, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^

According to this article, and what seems to be known - this is the timeline.

Alleged assault occurs on Sunday, August 29th.

Assault reported to police on Monday, August 30th.

Police brief Izzo and Hollis on Tuesday, August 31st.

Investigation completed and a decision to not file charges on Thursday, September 2nd.

I have to ask - how the hell can such a serious charge be investiged and referred to the DA and a final decision rendered in like 48 hours?

Is this normal? How would you even get a rape kit processed that fast?

I believe other reports mention that the victim in this instance was counseled by the DA that she might not want to go forward due to the trauma of having to testify.

Can a legal eagle explain how on earth you can get all this done in 1-2 working days?

Arb lover

February 22nd, 2018 at 10:54 AM ^

One of them even refused to answer questions the first night, with a smirk on his face as noted by the responding officer in the report. The only way to wrap up an investigation like that in 2 days is if the outcome is predetermined. If a real da got a case like that within 48 hours they would kick it back and chew out the chief given potential admissions and lack of full follow up/investigation.

ST3

February 22nd, 2018 at 1:24 PM ^

There may not have been enough to charge, maybe, but Payne admitted Appling raped the girl. Izzo's response was straight out of the Catholic priest scandal playbook - move the offender and hope the problem goes away.

NateVolk

February 22nd, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^

Remember the timing there too. Those were two monster recruits, especially Appling. Whom I believe was Mr. Basketball or runner up. Izzo had just gotten to his 8th Final Four in a dozen years. I doubt he lost more than a time or two to Michigan the previous decade. The 2009 team had been celebrated as "bringing back Detroit" in that Final Four. Then in that summer of 2010, he spent around 3 weeks flirting with the Cavaliers' job. Basically waiting on Lebron's decision. Prompting MSU fans to rally for him to stay outside the basketball arena.During the summer no less.

That is some powerful mojo for a guy at the apex of his powers. And very powerful reasons to make bad things go away without examination.

We saw the danger similarly with Paterno when your adulation becomes cultish and make a man bigger than the institution. The pressure on men in those positions is immense to live up to an image. It's easier to do the minimum and steer clear of bad press rather than do the right thing. A lower standard than if the abused was their loved one. 

yossarians tree

February 22nd, 2018 at 1:35 PM ^

That's like asking "What did Nixon do wrong?"

He knew that two of his most promising players had been accused of rape, that the "investigation" and dismissal and cover-up (players moved off campus) were all hastily performed in house, and then allowed both players to have a four year career without any punishment. Because Izzo benefitted from the institutional insulation does not exempt him from the fact that the insulation was FOR HIM. 

I've said it since day one of the Nassar hearings: they will give up Lou Simmons, they will give up Hollis, they will give up all the trustees. But don't let anyone lay a hand on the Precious. You have fucked up priorities first, and all the crooks fill in the blanks in support of it.

 

NateVolk

February 22nd, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^

"Told ya....Tom and Mark dint know nuttin"...... "What else ya expect em to do?" MSU fan response to whatever new reports come out

Not hard to figure out why both guys went into hide and duck mode immediately. If I had a job making 7 figures plus, a cult of personality worship among tens of thousands of people, unlimited power without ever having to take any blame..... jeesh,  someone coming in wrecking my good time with legitimate questions about my motives and judgment would scare the hell out of me too.

Sierra Steve

February 22nd, 2018 at 6:06 PM ^

So what exactly are you guys attempting to latch on to from this article? Did MSU go too far to protect the accusor by moving the players?