Josh Gattis comments

Submitted by lukepanici on February 6th, 2022 at 12:45 PM

https://twitter.com/tomvh/status/1490378413613408256?s=21

In a text to some Michigan players, Josh Gattis said, “Unfortunately the past few weeks has told a different story to me about the very little appreciation I have here from administration. In life I would never advise anyone to be where they are not wanted…”

tybert

February 6th, 2022 at 7:29 PM ^

Would have liked to see him stay but he chose to burn bridges with this exit and comment. I've been around the working world long enough to know never put anything derogatory in writing if you are leaving because you felt "underappreciated" - hey Josh, a lot of workers feel the same way and decide the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

If he asked Warde during JH's NFL promotional tour if he was in line to be next HC and was told no, they I credit Warde for being honest. Don't pretend and tell someone they are in the running when they aren't really up there in the ranking. The real opinion will always come out. 

We have the assets on staff to win with this roster. Get a proven DC and we are in good shape. 

If anything, this puts even more pressure on JH to sign a contract that makes it very costly to him personally to try to jump ship to NFL. 

GoArmy

February 6th, 2022 at 7:58 PM ^

Gattis got lucky with the weather and OSU having a historically pathetic and inept defense. Plus Stroud was afraid of the cold. OSU QBs don't normally fold like that. Gattis didn't bring it and will get exposed in Cryami. Although the ACC is weaker than the B1G West and the PAC 12. Not going to miss him.

MKen

February 6th, 2022 at 8:40 PM ^

Got lucky with the weather?  It was clear in the 2nd half.  osu wanted no part of UM's physicality on both sides of the ball.  They were soft.  Did he get lucky with getting a soft osu team?  Yeah maybe but M dominated that game for the most part and the play calling was great...even the design of the run plays.  Just sounds like you're taking away from the victory and making excuses for osu.

GoArmy

February 9th, 2022 at 4:57 AM ^

Nah - I did not write clearly enough. I'm making observations and assessing the opponent's prior capabilities and results, weaknesses, and where UM spent an entire year dedicated to exploiting them. Where is the OSU fanboi frame of reference? Analyzing our favorite team is not the same as drinking the Kool-Aid - Not the same as making excuses for OSU. Stroud is weak. Compounded with no running threat because OSU was not tough on the OL nor on the DL, exacerbated by the weather where OSU could not just air it out on a fast track and make up for their weaknesses by outscoring their opponent. UM would not let them out of that phone booth, and inside that phone booth is where this fight happened.

The OSU good weather BIG XII offense and defense was a mask to a.) their overall lack of toughness, and b.) their lack of toughness made them a one-dimensional pass-first team. That is the same pass-first team the weak non-tough OSU defense practiced against all year, BTW.

So when it came time to play The Game, OSU had zero ideas about what UM was going to hit them with, how hard they were going to be hit, and the depth and pervasiveness of the impact in all phases of The Game. OSU was like the green replacement units thrown into the Ardennes in the Battle of The Bulge. The weather and the fight came straight at the favored, comfortable team, and there was a panicked retreat, just like during The Game in November. The OSU defense was weak in personnel and in capabilities and scheme, particularly weak in mental toughness. Their QB is a thrower, not a Leader. The weather merely uncovered his weakness as a Leader.

The weather was a catalyst to expose how Gattis could exploit their weaknesses. Gattis and UM took advantage of that. Better weather conditions or an indoor track showed that Gattis did not have an absolutely weatherproof game plan. The CFP and Georgia shone a bright light on his Tier II OC capabilities. OSU was listed as Tier I in 2021. They were Tier II. Tier II met Tier I, and The Team - the more brutal, more dedicated Team - won The Game.

OSU wanted no part of UM's physicality. Your QB sets the tone for the team. He has to be tough and a leader first - throwing capabilities come after leadership and toughness. UM had a rugged pair of QBs (finally) who could win this fight. OSU had tough QBs that were leaders on the field in the past. They wanted to fight. Had the will to find a way to win. Stroud is not tough - Not as a QB, nor as a football player, nor as a person, and he is not a leader. And he was afraid of the cold. 

A lot of talk coming from Columbus about payback next year, etc. They have an entirely new Defensive staff and a new OL coach. Remains to see if they will be any tougher. Talk is talk.

Stroud will not be any tougher next year, no matter where they play. If it is a clean day weather-wise, OSU will have an advantage in the air. Gattis was no genius and did not scheme a way to beat OSU. UM was tougher, and UM dedicated themselves to beating OSU, and that toughness was what won this game in each hand-to-hand fight. OSU folded. The weather made it a rout. Gattis performed at an average level. Post-game, he ran his mouth because he had never been 'here' before. Upon exiting a program, his immaturity (again) clearly shows he is not ready for the next level. His success in The Game was more him being along for the ride than devising a strategy and fight plan and executing on it.

Gattis is neither innovative nor a Tier I OC. He is not a Tier I recruiter. Two strikes against him before Gattis even walks onto the practice field in Coral Gables. Who will he compete for, and what rivals is he set up to defeat as an OC at Miami? Will he out recruit Alabama? Georgia? From a Tier II team sitting in the Tier II seats in the ACC? His Tier II overall game will shine - Dimly - again.

You want to sustain the next 20 years of The Game like you lived to see in 2021, as opposed to the prior 20 years back to 2001? Take off your Maize-colored glasses. I am no OSU shill. UM won this in 2021. It is a start. Period. It is not a return to parity. What happens next is up to the Players and the ability of the new DC and OC and their staff to develop the Team as competitors who have a scheme they can win with.

But, whatever they do - They need to be prepared to fight in a phone booth and keep that door slammed shut for 60 minutes. Gattis would never grow into the OC role and emerge as the HC. He would never be the one who built the culture + scheme to bring that to the fight year-over-year, no matter what happened in 2021. Gattis appears to be more a defused Zach Smith than a Lincoln Riley. The next OC will be HC ready in scheme, development, and emotional and mental toughness.

Take the win in 2021. As Coach said - It is a start, a beginning. UM dodged a short round by having Gattis move on. If Coach is still here that long, the new OC and DC will also be candidates to replace Coach within three years. 

I'm not a homer - not an OSU fanboi. But, I assessed who is on this Team, who the leadership is and how they performed. To chart a course to win The Game in 2022. - and more than any other thing, win The Game every year. And then start over and do it again the next day for the entirety of the next 364 days. That is it. Everything else is secondary.

Beaublue

February 6th, 2022 at 10:06 PM ^

Strikes me as a situation in which the truth will never be known.   Is it the JG is a great OC who returned Michigan to glory but the Michigan "administration" failed to recognize and reward him for that OR did JG engage in unprofessional conduct on the recruiting trail which meant that he was told he would never be the head coach here?    Obviously the head coach engaging in his own adventures doesn't help either side.

However his departing tweet was unprofessional and in the long run JG will be the worse for it and not Michigan or JH. 

Speed_in_Space

February 6th, 2022 at 10:36 PM ^

Two things:

First, my username is now outdated. Can’t poke fun at the phrase anymore with Gattis being gone. 
 

Second, is there something bigger here that some people with more connections know about? I don’t know how credible Jordan Strack of WTOL is but his response to Gattis’ comments was the following: “This is who Josh Gattis is. I’ve said what I said. Michigan is going to be totally fine. I guarantee that.”

What is known about Gattis that the average fan does not know? I’ve heard two negative things about him from pundits and now I’m curious.

 

waittilnextyear

February 7th, 2022 at 12:07 AM ^

What I "learned" from reading this thread (and perhaps to save you the trouble) is:

(1) Gattis may or may not have been pulled off the recruiting trail and may or may not have cost us* Xavier Worthy by allegedly sleeping with said recruit's mom. Or multiple moms. This seems to have come from an insider/paywalled bit of info. Seems a bit sketchy, but seems to be pretty widespread "knowledge" possibly being re-confirmed by people reading that same insider bit.

*could be only partially true...remember the whole UM admissions saga with early enrollee or not being able to, or Worthy's friend getting processed...there seems to be at least 3 or 4 "reasons" why Worthy didn't come to Michigan.

(2) Gattis may or may not have been too close with coeds. I only saw this alleged in one single post in this thread, to be fair. Lacks substantiation; seems like 100% hearsay.

(3) Gattis seems to have a pattern of burning bridges on the way out (Bama, Maryland, UM). Without knowing the details of each situation, this seems pretty factual at this point. Twitter sniping at Locksley, backing out at Maryland, throwing shade while leaving Michigan for Miami (YTM).

If the text message posted upthread purporting to be from Gattis to his players at Michigan is accurate, he should be very careful about getting hit with tampering in the future. Not sure that I would really want him to make himself available to them "at any time," when that could easily turn into a sleazy transfer pitch. Maybe let the new Michigan OC, whoever that ends up being, "be there" for his former players while he coaches his own guys at Miami (YTM).