RockinLoud

August 16th, 2019 at 11:56 AM ^

And came to Michigan where he played through injury as much as he could and played a key role in a scheme that wasn't conducive to getting him gaudy stats, and then was largely just criticized incessantly by most UM fans for not living up to whatever preconceived ideal that they had in their head for him to live up to.

 

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RockinLoud

August 16th, 2019 at 1:58 PM ^

Aaaah, the resident contrarian chimes in. Hope you're doing well champ!

That is a significant exaggeration.

Depends where you look. Maybe a better way to say it would be "criticized incessantly by most UM fans that were vocal." Any public comments section I went to, especially last season, where the article/post was about Gary, the vast majority of comments would fit that description. YMMV

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gustave ferbert

August 16th, 2019 at 11:57 AM ^

Funded with tax free money?  

Seriously, if colleges pull  this BS now, the necessary governing body needs  to take a look at the whole tax free status of athletic departments . 

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crg

August 16th, 2019 at 1:05 PM ^

I've been asking this for years.  People give the counter argument that it's just a "few poor kids/families here and there and not worth the IRS' time nor PR backlash", but we have to be talking about thousands of cases around the country each year, summing to millions of dollars changing hands unreported each year.  The IRS will audit normal (non college athlete) people for much smaller issues than that.

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gustave ferbert

August 16th, 2019 at 9:42 PM ^

Up until now I would agree with you, but I read (or heard) somewhere that O$U football team alone is valued at $1 BILLION franchise.  

The revenues from licensing, the tv contracts, they are only given the incentive to be even more crooked.  Now you have Carlos Hyde punching women in night clubs, the Powell Police Dept, altering arrest documents, and Tressel. . .

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1VaBlue1

August 16th, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^

I wonder what Michigan gave him...

/s (It's a joke, people!)

He and his mom must have been really turned off by Dabo and his marry gang of cheating pricks.  Much more so than Isaiah Wilson and his parents...

 

Edit:  I changed from Smart to Dabo, because Gary's main draw was Clemson, not UGA.  My bad...

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reshp1

August 16th, 2019 at 12:11 PM ^

Seems like the only shot Michigan has with top guys is with recruits whose families are not in financial difficulty and/or who genuinely care about playing school. 

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JPC

August 16th, 2019 at 12:44 PM ^

Yes, it is. I'm a Professor and I'm from the Bay Area. I'm very familiar with both schools. 

Stanford > Cal > Michigan 

Do you think Shaw is snaking academically minded recruits from Harbaugh based on his incredibly superior on field success? 

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crg

August 16th, 2019 at 4:45 PM ^

I have my own insider experiences and won't share them here, but those three specifically are closer than many think (also compared to a few notables on the east coast).

However (for a more authoritative view), just look at the listings of top public schools year by year for the past 20 some years (US News & World report, Forbes, etc.)  You will see UM and Cal frequently alternating orders within the top 10, with UM higher as often as not.

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JPC

August 16th, 2019 at 7:40 PM ^

Anyone who cites US News & World and Forbes doesn't know what they're talking about. Here's an actual fact - nobody fails to get tenure at Michigan and then bounces to a tenured gig at Stanford. A Stanford to Michigan drop, on the other hand, is totally feasible. 

Listen, I picked Michigan over "better" schools because I liked Michigan and the midwest in general. However, to suggest that Harvard, Stanford, and MIT aren't in another realm from Michigan is just asinine.  

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crg

August 16th, 2019 at 8:27 PM ^

You explicitly stated that Cal > UM, which is why I listed two prominent reviews stating that they are essentially interchangeable.  If you don't care for those, I could easily list about a dozen other review sources that I was able to find in just a few minutes of searching (and this is not just affordability or public perception, but also includes research grants, prominent awards, alumni placement, etc.)

I did not cite these reviews to claim that Stanford and UM were essentially equivalent (nor did I ever claim they were).  I stated that the gap is not as wide as you alude it to be - a certainly not a world apart.

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b618

August 17th, 2019 at 5:41 AM ^

In addition to going to Michigan, I also went to Caltech for grad school.  At Caltech, I had friends from a lot places (Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton), and I got to know what those places were like from their perspectives.

Academics is one thing.  If you look at the best, most-prestigious, and most-thorough ratings services -- Times Higher Education and QS -- the top 10 universities in the world are usually from among what you'd expect:  Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Oxford, Cambridge, Princeton, Yale, U. of Chicago, Imperial College London, Yale, and sometimes schools Americans are less familiar with such as ETH Zurich.

While outside that list, Michigan is still quite excellent.  It is usually around #20 in the world (where these services are looking at 1000 universities in the world).  It is sometimes a little higher than Berkeley and sometimes a little lower than Berkeley.  So the guy disputing that Cal > Michigan is correct in that they are pretty close and flip back and forth at times.  For example, QS 2020 has Michigan at #20 and Berkeley at #28.  THE 2019 has Michigan at #20 and Berkeley at #15.

However, there is something other than straight academics that can be highly valuable in the real world, in which Michigan is stronger than most places even in that list of top 10:  the alumni network.  Here, I don't mean the official alumni network -- I mean Michigan alumni as a group of people.

Michigan is very, very strong there because it has one of the largest number of alumni, in all different fields, businesses, locations, and levels of placement; and because Wolverines are pretty willing to interact with and potentially help out fellow Wolverines.  That has a lot of value and power to it.

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Kewaga.

August 16th, 2019 at 2:46 PM ^

Those that emphasize money, wealth and power in their life over other aspects AND those who are unable to provide basic necessities of life (due to lack of money) are the most vulnerable to forgo their morals for money and are more likely to succumb to corruption.

Another reason I believe there should be a cap on inequity in a country while still harnessing the power of capitalism by providing basic necessities like affordable housing, food, medical care/medicine and education.... while maintaining proper controls and checks to ensure that said benefits are not abused.

 

I know, I know... could not help myself.

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