JH policy on Red Shirt Sr’s hurting team

Submitted by BleedingBlue on November 19th, 2020 at 9:48 PM

Only *Four* scholarship, redshirt seniors on the roster.

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I think this is a huge latent factor in the team’s struggles this year.

There has been a big shift in philosophy over the last 15 years from trying to save kids for their best year, a redshirt senior year, to getting them on the field as fast as possible. Not only that, but if guys aren’t performing by their 2nd year, they seem to be getting pushed out.

JH favors large recruiting classes over developing the kids at UM. 

The team this year is really young, inexperienced, immature and not able to weather in-game adversity as a result. 

My Name is LEGIONS

November 20th, 2020 at 12:59 AM ^

Part of the reason Harbaugh can get better players than MSU is because of the thought of early playing time, whereas d'Antonio had a team full.of fifth year seniors.   Catch 22 of sorts.  

tigerd

November 20th, 2020 at 8:10 AM ^

Boy, this is a stretch. What you fail to realize is that the change in philosophy is not in trying to keep players around for their "best" year. It's about being able to use their talent while they still remain in school. If players are that good they will never see a 5th year any more. Instead they will be on an NFL roster. 

1VaBlue1

November 20th, 2020 at 8:19 AM ^

Yep...  No way anyone continues to recruit well (and JH has recruited quite well) by putting the dynamic new guys on the bench for three years.  That is no longer what CFB is about.  You score points by unleashing your offense with the best players you have available.  I think Harbaugh is ~50% there...  The best players appear to be seeing the field, but the offense hasn't been unleashed.

fishgoblue1

November 20th, 2020 at 8:35 AM ^

With the current pandemic, the athletic department is not in a position to write a 10 million dollar check for someone to not work there anymore.

More likely he makes changes to his assistants and gets an extension.  

Wolverine 73

November 20th, 2020 at 9:30 AM ^

Given how many players don’t want to sit and transfer out or leave for the draft early if they are good, I’m not sure the idea of a fifth year Brian Griese whom you have groomed to be your QB while he sat for years is still a thing.  Very few kids seem as invested in the programs and willing to wait to play, as once seemed to be the case.

Magnus

November 20th, 2020 at 10:59 AM ^

I don't see this being an issue. Fifth year seniors aren't helpful unless they're good. If you're good, you've probably left for the NFL. If you're not good, you're a backup or you've transferred.

If you're so-so but *this close* to an opportunity (or if you've been injured), you might stick around, a la Andrew Vastardis.

MGoStrength

November 20th, 2020 at 2:27 PM ^

If you're good, you've probably left for the NFL. If you're not good, you're a backup or you've transferred.

Seems simplistic.  I can think of several 5th year guys off the top of my head that were good like Graham Glasgow, Ryan Glasgow, Jake Rudock, Taylor Lewan, & Maurice Hurst.

MGoStrength

November 20th, 2020 at 1:05 PM ^

JH favors large recruiting classes over developing the kids at UM. 

The team this year is really young, inexperienced, immature and not able to weather in-game adversity as a result. 

That's fine for skill position players, but not for the lines.  It takes time to put on weight and strength to play up front.  Speed, power, explosiveness, etc. is less trainable than strength and size. 

theintegral

November 20th, 2020 at 3:34 PM ^

I do like the thought here, but it is not easy. I often go ourlads.com to look at how many 4th and 5th year players each Big Ten team has.  I recently posted this on the Wisconsin system which seems to be your desire. 

Quick summary of just Wisconsin:                                                                                                            Ten of the starters on offense are 4th or 5th year players (not Mertz).  There are five 5th year players, three on the offensive line.  Seven of the defensive starters are 4th or 5th year players.  There are six 5th year players on defense, 2 of the 3 defensive linemen.  Wisconsin recruits linemen who are long, lean, and athletic (basketball players).  Do not worry about weight until they arrive on campus.  Redshirt.  Get to play in their 3rd or 4th year.                                                         Our offensive team averages 2.64 years, by far the lowest in the Big Ten.  The defense averages 3.45 years.  We give up about 1.7 years per starter to Wisconsin.  Experience in the system, weight and strength matter.

OTOH,  Look at 2016 and 2017 recruit and decide who to redshirt:  not easy to decide what to do.

https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Season/2016-Football/Commits/&nb…;   for now

https://247sports.com/college/michigan/season/2017-football/commits/

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2morrow

November 20th, 2020 at 4:39 PM ^

IMO it is fine to have a small number who have been leaders. I think it does help the culture of the team. I also think it is probably not good to have too many as it probably takes away some playing/development time for underclassmen - players who will be the future of the program and depth.