Jalen Rose Upset with U of M President's Opinion re: Final Four Banners
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I saw that U of Michigan has no plans to put back up our hoops banners. Should I do like most of its former BBallers & never return? cont
or should I ask for the $250k I donated for my Endowed Scholarship back & move it to another school? Stay Tuned.
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I understand the tough position that MSC is in. hopefully jalen knows that she doesn't speak for everyone in the program or for the fans.
Raising a pair of 20-year-old banners will "reignite Michigan basketball for good"? I think you're assigning a little too much importance to these things. Besides, I think the program is pretty well on its way as it is.
Forget the whole Fab Five aspect, I say we save our banner raising for championships, whether they be Big Ten Championships or NCAA. Final Fours are nice, but banners are for championships.
They were, weren't they? For me that's a reason not to put them up: they banners were not earned. And (following this logic/if true) when you discuss the way that other untainted players lost out you say "Exactly. That's why the actions were harmful. They hurt the team, the U," etc. And we can't be party to some kind of sentimental turnaround that says "Now we're going to celebrate that."
This doesn't mean you don't forgive and forget, or welcome Jalen back, etc. But it sure would be a reason not to put the banners back up.
I am a huge C Webb fan, and fan of the Fab V--I adored those guys. But that doesn't mean you put the banners back up. Hell, put the Fab Five's pictures up in the rotunda, etc. But unless I'm missing something, not the banners.
Anti-Establishment: the historical setting justified a degree of disaffection which shaped opinions in which an entrenched disconnect remains. I know it is more justified to defiantly hang the banners. However, I do what I hate; and, in my worthless opinion, defer to the protection of the reputation of the University for the sake of order amidst chaos. Ironically, without my having a platform for addressing any of the real concerns in this case, it sickens me to say, "The better part of valor is discretion.": meaning I agree with MSC by default.
I would appreciate it if MSC would help guide the NCAA with the assistance of the professional sports world; and, for future reference; they together should no longer tolerate punishing the innocent players such as those who were in the program at Michigan when at the time the penalties were imposed without fruitfulness.
Dont' sweat it Jalen, the Fab Five were bigger than any banner, you will get more notoriety the longer MSC prevails with her petty agenda. Like Armando Gallaraga's NOT Perfect Game being more memorable because of the obvious incompetence of the first base umpire. Like Shoeless Joe Jackson and the HOF. Like the Cubbies season and the foul pop down the third base line. You, Jalen Rose, have achieved immoraltality
QUEME LOS BANNERS
actually Braylon Edwards is disguise? Or is Braylon just Jalen in disguise? Both spout off a bunch of stupid, self-centered, garabage about their scholarships. I'm sorry but Jalen is just an idiot. He should take his scholarship money and shove it up his ass. Then he can stick to having pissing contests with Skip Bayless.
What's the point of the banner if the NCAA doesn't recognize the games? Should we hang up a fucking Stanley Cup banner in Yost too? Sure, the NHL doesn't recognize that Michigan won a Stanley Cup, but we should honor the greatness of those past teams anyway, right? Hell, the 2011-12 basketball team was pretty good, could we get an NBA Championship banner for them? It's embarassing to even think of a Fab Five banner hanging next to the one the Big 10 championship one won this past season.
April 12th, 2012 at 10:18 PM ^
no two ways about it. it would be celebrating cheating. understand Jalen will be upset, but that's life.
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April 13th, 2012 at 12:22 AM ^
must be a lot younger than I thought.
I'm with you, Glove, right down to being from Southern Illinois. I'm jealous as hell that you got to see the Fab Five in Champaign; I grew up about 2 hours south, down 57 to 70. I still have my Jalen jersey, but it doesn't fit anymore, unfortunately. Cheers to you, my friend.
I am older than 29, have had season tickets since a few years before the Fab 5, and went to almost every home game when they were here. I was a huge fan of them and completely enjoyed the hype that surrounded them. I fully understand the impact they had on the culture of that time.
I was also hugely disappointed when the scandal broke - disappointed in the players who took money and in the coaches who ignored what was going on. They broke the rules and we all paid the price. Michigan fans should expect more.
I find it hard to understand how so many of us can be so indignant over OSU's violations but ignore our own. The games were vacated because they broke the rules. The banners mean nothing.
April 13th, 2012 at 11:51 AM ^
I don't know why you assume that anyone opposed to putting the banners up "doesn't get" how big the Fab Five was. I was in middle school (prime sports fandom years) when they played. I loved them. I sobbed after the 1993 title game. But that doesn't change the fact that we were punished and had to vacate the games. That they were a popular team is not a credible counterargument. We broke the rules. It makes me sad that we did, but that's life.
April 12th, 2012 at 11:39 PM ^
hey at least there is still the NIT banners, Thats something to be proud of/
April 13th, 2012 at 10:33 AM ^
Michigan easily gets placed in the top 20 all-time best basketball programs in the country. In fact, if Michigan doesn't have basketball tradition, neither does MSU because historically the two teams are essentially equivalent to one another after vacating the Fab Five and including Izzo's run as their coach.
April 13th, 2012 at 11:53 AM ^
Because there is no tradition in crisler without the fab 5.Really? What about the 13 Big Ten championship teams? The four non-vacated Final Four teams? The 1989 national champions? Please explain to me how those teams do not constitute any tradition.
April 13th, 2012 at 12:40 PM ^
MARY SUE COLEMAN IS AN UNCLE TOM!!
To me, the fab five will always be a novelty. They were the it thing in the early 90's, but in reality they never won jack sh*t, and to me winning trumps image any time. One of the posts talks about never having a conversation about the 89 team. To me, that is just sad. I live in Illinois, so the 89 team gets discussed way more than the fab five here, as Illinois fans feel robbed for that year, even though they got beat fair and square.
I am 34, so I remember both teams, and have far more respect for what the 89 team did in one of the toughest years in the big ten maybe ever. Even though the whole of the fab five was not guilty of what C-Webb did, the fab five era is the beginning of the dark ages for Michigan Basketball. Thankfully we are now out of those dark ages, but the last 10-15 years have not been great for UM hoops.
Instead of worrying about Jalen Rose getting his panties in a bunch over the fab five and banners being hung or not, maybe we should focus on the 89 team a little more. I would put that team up against the fab five any day of the week, and the 89 team would win.
The '89 team definitely seems to get lost in the shuffle, which really is inexplicable when you consider that they're our only national champion. It's bizarre.
It really is bizarre that people care more about a team that never won anything opposed to our only National Championship and legit one at that. That championship also had Glen Rice, who still holds the record for most points in a tournament, and that record will probably never be broken in this era of basketball. Who are the jerseys we have retired, Buntin, Russell, Hubbard, Tomjanovich, and Rice. I don't see anyone on the fab five that deserves or warrants their jersey retired.
it makes no sense for the University to hang the banners in Crisler. It would be a thumb in the eye of the NCAA as well.
But this topic has come up over and over again, what to do with the banners. And it has been pointed out that as long as Michigan has them, this issue will continue to come up.
I think Mary Sue Coleman should send a the damn things to Jalen. He can hang them in his own home to remind him how great he was.
April 13th, 2012 at 10:53 PM ^
Why is this such a big debate? Chris is the only one that got punished. They are part of the Michigan family. I support them for better AND for worse.
Mgrowold put it best, they changed college basketball WHILE wearing the Maize and Blue.