uminks

November 12th, 2020 at 6:44 PM ^

Sucks that the virus is now exploding exponentially across the country. I think the B1G will follow suite in a few weeks. I was really looking forward to basketball since the football team has been playing so poorly.

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crg

November 12th, 2020 at 6:46 PM ^

It would be such poetic justice for OSU to get shut out of the post season due to covid - especially after bitching and lobbying so hard to get the Big Ten to play despite the obvious health risks involved.

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Jordan2323

November 12th, 2020 at 6:47 PM ^

Not including the game tonight but 313 FBS games have been played so far and only 40 have been canceled or rescheduled. 89% of the games have been played successfully. It seems to me that the programs are mostly doing things the way they are supposed to. If basketball has a similar model, or perhaps a better one, they should be fine. 

Also, several conferences started late so the success rate would've been even higher. 

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Lakeyale13

November 12th, 2020 at 9:42 PM ^

The question to ask is “What happens if the athletes get COVID?”   So far, the answer is essentially nothing.  Flu like symptoms and it runs its course. As long as the athletes live in a bubble and act responsibly there is no reason for the season to cancelled.  
 

Furthermore, all the issue surrounding cardiac inflammation seem to concerns without merit. I haven’t heard of any significant numbers of athletes, actually haven’t heard of one, that experienced the cardiac inflammation that was being touted as a potential major concern. 

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OSUMC Wolverine

November 13th, 2020 at 6:46 AM ^

hospitals will not wholesale shut down again. most burned through much of their cash reserves the first time around and add that state programs supporting them will be or have been slashed due to tax revenue crashing. the money tree has already lost its leaves. state governors are not going to make a declaration that may make the majority of their hospital beds go away after covid unless they are extraordinarily short sighted.

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blue in dc

November 13th, 2020 at 7:34 AM ^

My comment said nothing about who would make the decision.   A quick google search shows that a number of hospitals already are curtailing elective surgeries.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/11/hospitals-curtail-elective-surgeries-in-anticipation-of-covid-surge.html

Several major hospitals have begun postponing some elective surgeries to make way for an expected influx of COVID-19 patients amid an already record-setting surge of coronavirus cases in Oregon.

https://www.kmov.com/news/hospitals-cancel-elective-surgeries-increase-beds-to-handle-covid-19-patient-surge/article_53299082-2469-11eb-a9ed-fb9f643d72a9.html

ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) -- BJC Healthcare announced that starting Monday several of its hospitals will reschedule certain types of elective surgery that require an inpatient or overnight bed.

The move comes in an effort to manage the capacity of hospital beds as the number of admissions for COVID-19 continues to rise in the St. Louis area.

"Challenges in the first wave we were really focused on the disease that was primarily in St. Louis city and county 70% of those cases were in those two municipalities. At this point every place is full of cases. Rural and urban alike we just don't have an area where we can decompress," Clay Dunagan said. He's the senior vice-president and chief clinical officer at BJC HealthCare. "We're close at this point to not being able to meet the healthcare needs of the region."

Hospital officials say a staffing shortage combined with an "unsustainable occupancy level" may soon force them to curtail services for more pressing healthcare needs.They say nurses are facing an extraordinary challenge.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-hospital-beds-elective-surgeries-glenbrook-20201112-qpd6rgmxkzhorhw2zbnjd7nvl4-story.html

Faced with a record number of COVID-19 patients, some Illinois hospitals are returning to strategies similar to those they adopted in the early days of the health crisis, including limiting elective surgeries and adding more beds.

One health care provider, NorthShore University HealthSystem, has converted its Glenbrook Hospital in Glenview back into a COVID-19 hospital, meaning it is no longer taking patients in need of overnight care if they don’t have COVID-19. Non-COVID-19 patients who need to be hospitalized are being sent to other facilities in the system.

The five-hospital system also has started evaluating elective surgeries on a case-by-case basis, delaying some depending on their urgency, said Dr. Lakshmi Halasyamani, chief medical officer.

 

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Mmmm Hmmm

November 12th, 2020 at 10:30 PM ^

Jokes about Ivies being a bubble themselves aside...the Ivy ADs will not put their athletes in a bubble. Their endowments may generally be well funded but that’s not what they are going toward.

A bubble approach may make sense for P5 football or top-level basketball. In other words, the revenue sports at the places making real revenue. Not really anywhere else.

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vablue

November 13th, 2020 at 4:59 AM ^

The problem of course is that the law prohibits schools from telling the public about such a diagnosis.  Further, given the bad PR that would follow, it seems unlikely that if there was a long term heart problem schools would be unlikely to publicize it.  There have been cases of players having long term impact from the virus, we just don’t know what specifically that is yet.

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TrueBlue2003

November 13th, 2020 at 1:37 AM ^

We've turned back "exponential" growth twice now (nationally, and at least once before in each B1G state).  It's not actually exponential growth, it's more parabolic and it's hard to tell when it will inflect in any given location.

But as it relates to sports, they're so isolated that rapid growth around them probably doesn't matter that much, especially after thanksgiving at schools where kids are going home.  They're in a veritable bubble so I'm not sure I'd predict basketball to have a harder time than football is having.

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vablue

November 13th, 2020 at 5:05 AM ^

I is an interesting discussion on basketball vs football.  Basketball has less players and thus should have less risk of bringing it in to the team.  But the way the sport is played would SEEM to make it more vulnerable to passing the virus among players during both games and practice.  That said, the rapid tests should limit that risk to some degree.  I think I would be much more worried about spread between teams in basketball, but not sure if that is the reason to cancel it.

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Jordan2323

November 12th, 2020 at 9:20 PM ^

I hear ya man. I almost stayed out of the topic altogether because people get so sensitive about the subject of covid. Im just throwing out some stats and hoping for the best. Id really love to see some hoops but if it ends up best for the players to not play then we will just have to support that and move along. 

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uminks

November 12th, 2020 at 6:59 PM ^

Starting late was the big mistake since everyone knew come November that COVID virus was going to spread more rapidly. I have my doubts that the conference games can go on much longer after this  weekend. 

Well if the OSU vs UM game gets cancelled it will at least spare us of seeing another big OSU blowout and put the consecutive losses on hold.

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cobra14

November 12th, 2020 at 7:44 PM ^

Boise State now has 14 positives. It was  just announced so that game is in jeopardy if it isn’t one of the already canceled in a record breaking week of cancellation

Move season to spring and stick by it! NBA is already starting late it won’t hurt draft prep 

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Brhino

November 12th, 2020 at 11:19 PM ^

what percentage of games successfully played would you consider the threshold for deeming the season a success or not?  I'm not even talking about possible long-term health consequences or anything like that.  I'm just asking, how many cancellations before the season is considered a farce?  89% doesn't sound great to me.

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Wendyk5

November 12th, 2020 at 11:36 PM ^

I just watched The Deer Hunter for like the 12th time the other night. Fantastic movie. I wonder how it would do if it was released today, as is. So different from movies made in this era. Scenes are allowed to unfurl slowly, some with little or no dialogue. But I digress....

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outsidethebox

November 13th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^

But it doesn't have to be this way-another beginning. The general consensus at this time among the real experts is that if there was actual compliance to simple masking and social distancing practices at an 80% level of the population the rate of incidence would soon trend in a significantly better direction. It is that simple. That we refuse to employ these simple measures speaks to a stunning lack of collective, national character and will.

Back to my wife's pediatric practice-again. The incidence of illness among the population they care for has been striking, so far, through this pandemic. Interestingly, in general, the children have been much more healthy than usual-relative to the expected health issues  they see. However, as the incidence of Covid is increasing among the adults in their household, the children are now becoming ill-including testing positive at a significant rate. Here in Kansas, positive flu tests are just beginning to show up in this population. At this early date "our" practitioners have not seen a comingling of these viruses but it does have them on the edge of their seats in this regard. 

Here, this is not a simple matter but there are some very simple things we can do to forge a significantly better trajectory in this matter. We need a good dose of R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

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murderwolflives

November 13th, 2020 at 2:32 PM ^

Yes and dozens of countries locked down, masks punishable by the actual police, etc. and those countries are still having major surges.

Those countries being held up as shining examples of how to do things right - are experiencing just as much of a problem as those of us in the US.

Sadly, it's a virus and human attempts to "stop" it are largely ineffective at best (harmful at worst).

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