Is it possible to Fix MGOBLOG?

Submitted by Marvin on April 27th, 2020 at 12:45 AM

I have been signed up on this blog for a fairly long time, and at first I loved it, primarily because of Brian's writing and the amazing content Brian and the rest of the contributors provided. I could come to this site and read more about a satisfying Michigan win, or if Michigan lost, it helped somehow to hear from others about how the loss affected them. There were all kinds of reasons why it was a great blog -- certainly too many to list here. At one time my cousin tried to start a sports blog for the school he went to and I asked him if he had heard of MGOBLOG. He said of course he had, it set the standard for sports blogs and exemplified what he and his friends were trying to do.

I realize it's OT season, and there have always been irritating posts -- I have made some myself. But despite those posts, the good parts of the blog always overwhelmed the bad because it felt like it had momentum. Even during the Rich Rodriguez years there was a spirit to the content and the board posts that showed pride in the University of Michigan.

Over the past couple of years, though, I have sensed something different. It feels like this blog is slowly dying, or losing cohesion, or falling prey to too much negativity. Discussion threads seem increasingly tawdry. Every board topic, no matter how relevant or informative, soon devolves into a rant about Michigan's poor recruiting or Harbaugh's mediocrity, or worse, into a political argument. The same self-hating idiots take over every fucking thread and if the person's account is banned he/she just gets a new one. This person who calls himself Berns is a case in point. He signed up about a week ago and every single one of his posts says the same god damn thing, and he keeps on posting like he owns the place. No matter what anyone says he won't shut the fuck up. 

I realize part of the overall negativity is about Ohio State's dominance. I hate it too, and I hate it that they can recruit at such a high level while Michigan seems, with a few exceptions, stuck with second tier talent. So some negativity is warranted. But once it's been said, it doesn't need to keep being said, especially by the same douchebags who lack perspective or knowledge about the game. 

Does anyone else think this blog has gone downhill? What can be done to save it? (aside from Michigan becoming a perennial playoff team, which obviously would help, but that's not what I am talking about.)

One possibility would be for the blog to require a subscription in order to make or comment on posts. The content could still be free, and it would still be possible to read board posts and comment threads, but in order to actually have a voice you would have to pay a monthly fee. At least that would minimize trolls and help to keep multiple accounts to a minimum. 

 

Seth

April 27th, 2020 at 8:12 AM ^

If you mean the tone of the message board, not really.

If you mean the physical site, yes, that's in the works. We saved the site and owe HUEL our lives and livelihoods for that but now that we're not just trying to get off a sinking ship we can either slowly fix this site or build a better from the ground up, and I think we are leaning to Option B.

If you mean the front page content, I dunno man. 5-star hellos are the top content as far as eyeballs, and the last one we wrote will spend an eternity in the hopper. 3-star hellos get a bunch of people riled up and get relatively few readers and that's what I'm working on now.

1VaBlue1

April 27th, 2020 at 8:26 AM ^

Glad to hear you're looking at changing up the message board part of the site!  And thanks for letting us know that little tidbit.  I don't think you guys owe us anything as to status of said change up, but you know everyone complains about the functionality of the board - maybe a status post would allay some of the hate?  Yeah, I know, it would also drive more hate.  You're screwed if you don't, and screwed if you do.

I think the front page content is as good as its ever been, FWIW...

MGoArchive

April 27th, 2020 at 9:48 AM ^

Good to hear. 

My recommendation would be to leave the old site in a read only state with the link structure intact (to preserve people's bookmarks/other sites linking to content), and front page content on a new platform would take a link structure with both the date/content title - 

For example, if this (https://mgoblog.com/content/mgotheater-3000-game-1995) was posted on the new site site, the URL would be https://mgoblog.com/content/2020-04-27/mgotheater-3000-game-1995

ppToilet

April 27th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^

There’s really only two things needed for the message board IMHO: first, autohide any post that gets 20 or more downvotes. Second, allow users to block certain users from appearing in their feed. This self moderation would help immensely.

Of course, Michigan beating OSU, winning their bowl games, and recruiting 5-star players wouldn’t hurt.

Hemlock Philosopher

April 27th, 2020 at 8:17 AM ^

Nice little concern troll piece here. I love the addition of flavoring participles in the section where you complain about the threads becoming tawdry: they add much needed irony at a key moment. 

Toasted Yosties

April 27th, 2020 at 8:19 AM ^

Reduce the number of comments a newly created account can make a day and have it increase over time. Do something similar with creating MGoBoard posts. Also, create a daily random discussion post to capture a lot of the minutiae that don’t deserve a full post on the board. I’m guessing most of that can be automated and would serve to clean up the board, especially with the trolls. 

Panther72

April 27th, 2020 at 8:21 AM ^

I agree this blog has become a home for man pouting. Don't know how else to put it. I can be negative with a loss, but I look for analysis to feed the disappointment. But trolls and ignorance isn't helped with excessive drugs and booze. With that said, I need intelligent sports analysis. Either that or I drive the wife nuts. Im not a web tech or anything close but I sure hope some brains can bring some help. That said, Go Blue!

KingCarr

April 27th, 2020 at 8:34 AM ^

Yes, the fix is stop reading the comments if you can't handle it.

The comments that blindly defend Michigan can be just as nauseating as the 'maizen' comments.  

I'mTheStig

April 27th, 2020 at 5:16 PM ^

instead of nested structure this one has, which sucks for browsing

Especially on mobile (which kinda of ironic considering when 2.0 rolled out, and people were commenting on how disruptive the whitespace is, we were told it was for mobile).

The vertical lines after a couple of replies just blend together in a single, thicker line.

joegoblue

April 27th, 2020 at 8:55 AM ^

I have some input. These motherfuckers only say this negative ass bullshit to get a response. Doesn’t matter what it is. As long as someone acknowledges their whining. It’s pathetic and it’s like they have mommy and daddy issues. Social media created a therapy session for entitled people “who nobody listens to.” I feel like the only way to change is to not acknowledge trolling. The are attention seeking Little Bitches

KC Wolve

April 27th, 2020 at 9:15 AM ^

I still just want an app. 
 

it would also be nice to be able to read a recruiting thread that doesn’t evolve into people yelling at clouds. 

JimmyHardballs

April 27th, 2020 at 9:16 AM ^

As a fan of free speech it pains me to say this, but what the site needs is more moderation. At least in the short term to clean up the board and the troll posts. Draft weekend and the website was unreadable with 2+ posts for every draft pick and then 5x troll posts for Shea and DPJ. 


Add mods, clean up the board, delete all troll accounts, IP ban if you have to, and then hopefully in a few months we are left with a stronger cleaner board which accurately reflects UofM.

nerv

April 27th, 2020 at 1:36 PM ^

I dont think banning trolls equates to governing what people say. I mean you can go look at essentially every football or football recruiting thread and they all go down the exact same way. It takes somewhere between 5-10 posts. Then one of the handful of same people (on about 10 handfuls of different accounts) come in with the Same.Exact.Fucking.Message every single time. Then what is equally baffling to me is that more level headed posters then respond and have the same argument over and over. People need to not feed the trolls, but banning them to the best of our ability is a pretty large stretch from some totalitarian act of destroying free speech.

MGlobules

April 27th, 2020 at 9:59 AM ^

I've been visiting since shortly after start-up, and have made my share of complaints about deteriorating quality. There was a period of exhilarating possibility here in the early-going that is quite dead now, but that's been gone for five to seven years. That was a function of the fact that a small, bright group of really enthusiastic people were contributing, not just content but comments. Brian's posts were sometimes amazing in their adventurousness, in a way that just hasn't been sustained. Now he's kind of a football and hockey fan who weights in intelligently, and that's okay. 

The place also held a shambolic wonderfulness in terms of site construction that in time grew outdated, neared collapse, and was never replaced with anything terribly functional, let alone pleasing to look at. In truth, I don't think the managers or Brian give a dang, or maybe can afford better. But it did lend to the sense of decay that began to grip the place going back three or four years.

Now? It's hard to care a lot. I read Bronx Blue because he's sane and inspired and friendly, and I check in to monitor M news. Fending off the crazies and especially the lame and adolescent sexual stuff would have been important to me, but apparently means clicks. Or work. Or something. Hur hur reactionary stuff about women was never my thing. The sense that a certain laziness pervades administration and monitoring contributes to the ongoing an institution that has seen better days.

I wish I cared more; at one point I absolutely did. But not everything that ends--with a bang or with a whimper--means the end of the world. They can just be celebrated for the way they sustained people for a brief, beautiful time. 

 

S.G. Rice

April 27th, 2020 at 10:00 AM ^

I'd enjoy the site more if there were an official and enhanced version of the Troll Cave where I could click once and never ever see another post by maizen's current account.

Hell I'd even pay for that feature.  HUEL, what kind of dollars are we talking about here?

nerv

April 27th, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^

Don't you just get the feeling that maizen is actually Brians troubled cousin or something. And Brians aunt begged him to just let the poor kid rant and rave on his website because it stops him from torturing local wild life and makes the neighborhood safer.

FlexUM

April 27th, 2020 at 10:04 AM ^

I help run/ran a variety of bodybuilding/fitness boards and I can share a few items to chew over. Keep in mind most fitness boards (and really any message boards) are dying due to other social media.

1. Charging is a bad idea, overall, because all this information available free, everywhere. It's why paywall sports type info/forums are dying. Why in the hell would you pay for insider info when you can easily find almost all of it free? If you want to stay alive or grow increase traffic and participation ie cast a wide net.  The lifeblood is traffic and participation. While msu or osu fans drive us nuts you want them here participating. That is a GOOD thing. Natural bodybuilders on a steroid site bickering and arguing is a GOOD thing as long as you have moderators to clean it up if it gets too out of hand. Start charging and you end up with people running a site who think their farts don't think and a circle jerk of 10 people actually paying while the site dies. 

2. Increasing traffic and participation will lead to more troll accounts. That's ok. It's really not a big deal if you have a handful of good moderators. 

3. Don't be fooled into thinking your information is better than it really is. It's not. Plenty of high profile bodybuilding and fitness forums have "guru's", mr olympia's, people with huge social followings and they've died overnight when they started to charge. Again, all this information is either available free or really just not worth paying for, no matter how good the creator thinks it is. 

4. A clean and crisp forum is helpful. A few easy changes here would help immensely. Clean up the form, divide it into sections, etc. 

 

This is one of the best sports forums/blogs I've ever been to but the information isn't that special. I say that as a lifelong michigan fan and season ticket holder who has been here over a decade and truly loves this site. If that's how I think how do you think a casual fan will think? So...cast a wide net, increase traffic and participation, and have good moderation. With social media, message boards are going the way of the dinosaur, which is another reason charging wouldn't make a lot of sense.  

In the past I paid for subscriptions to many sites with sports but I don't pay for any now. There is too much free info available. 

 

I do online diets/training programs for people as a side gig and for 90% of people I tell them "all the answers you seek are available for free online". If they want to pay me cool but all the information is at their fingertips. Most of the time they pay me so they are accountable...but that's it. Just 10 years ago that wouldn't have been the case. All information is free so you have to figure out how to separate yourself. 

 

egrfree2rhyme

April 27th, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^

I actually disagree.  I think that the content here is special, which is why I wouldn't think twice about paying for a subscription even though I don't have a subscription to a single other site on the internet.

It is very difficult to find content about Michigan football that compares to the content on this site anywhere else on the internet.  The UFR articles are amazing.  There are no Michigan sites that offer something similar, in fact I'm not aware of any site that's dedicated to one team that delivers this level of quality analysis. 

FlexUM

April 27th, 2020 at 4:19 PM ^

Sure I mean some would be willing to pay just like any any forum but many simply won’t, especially if it’s an ongoing subscription. It virtually always fails. All things considered we’d all miss the content if it disappeared tomorrow but it’s not worth paying for, for most people. 
 

We live in an age where things like that are expected free. It’s just like my training business instead of 30 people paying $200 a month it’s 10 people paying $100. It’s mostly because I out a lot of effort in but people expect it free because there is so much free out there. If I wanted to make more money I’d do it volume and just train more people. 
 

it’s really the same principle here. I’d focus on driving traffic with outstanding free information and get people to use the boards. I’d actually focus on making it easier to navigate the article comments sections and commenting there more. 

MGoStrength

April 27th, 2020 at 10:05 AM ^

Over the past couple of years, though, I have sensed something different. It feels like this blog is slowly dying, or losing cohesion, or falling prey to too much negativity.

Part of it is bickering over politics and Covid and part of it is frustration over JH and his lack of success against OSU and not being able to return to being a B1G winner or even sniff it.

Discussion threads seem increasingly tawdry. Every board topic, no matter how relevant or informative, soon devolves into a rant about Michigan's poor recruiting or Harbaugh's mediocrity, or worse, into a political argument.

Agreed, see above.

I realize part of the overall negativity is about Ohio State's dominance. I hate it too, and I hate it that they can recruit at such a high level while Michigan seems, with a few exceptions, stuck with second tier talent. So some negativity is warranted. But once it's been said, it doesn't need to keep being said, especially by the same douchebags who lack perspective or knowledge about the game. 

I can't speak for anyone else, but as someone in their early 40's who grew up in the 90s, who's parents (alum) went there in the late 60s/early 70s, everything in my cultural upbringing gave me a sense of success and investment in the rivalry.  Now, it's a foregone conclusion that we will lose, and it's been that way going on almost two decades.  I personally will never accept that.  It has slowly chipped away at my enjoyment of being a UM fan.  I just don't enjoy it the way I did in the late 90's through mid 2000s where it felt like we had a legitimate NC chance every year.  It also is more frustrating now because we can follow recruiting very closely.  Prior to the internet recruiting databases, we didn't really know about recruits until the season started.  It may have been equally frustrating watching OSU sign top players back in the day too, but we didn't know about it.  Now, not only are we getting beat on the field, but we're getting beat all offseason and being forced to listen to our rival fans taunt us online in a dozen different media platforms from blogs, to youtube videos, to Twitter.  The list goes on and on.  It's one loss after another.

There is a lot between the two schools on how we got here that are incredibly frustrating.  Meyer & Tressel's uncanny success and suspected and/or real cheating.  Day's subsequent success.  UM's seemingly one failed coach after the next.  You get the sense that no matter what UM or OSU does they will always come out on top.  That feeling of powerlessness of never being able to beat your biggest rival, particularly when despite that fact, they continue to seemingly work at beating us more than we do them, even during their success is a hard pill to swallow.  I think it's human nature.  You can get mad.  You can stop paying attention.  Or you can accept it.  But, it's hard to be a positive, excited fan in the face of failure in comparison to your biggest rival whom you have historically been competitive with.  I just don't know how fans get past that.  It won't go away until we start beating them at least once in a while.

 

4th phase

April 27th, 2020 at 11:12 AM ^

There needs to be more mods. How hard is it for them to designate a few more? After some time on the site and a certain points threshold (assuming they are working) you can be up for being a mod. 

Also the game threads limit posting frequency. Why can't that be done with the board? Make it so you can only start 1 thread per week. And only make 25 posts or something per day. This prevents people from spamming. 

The whole BPONE attitude and going on and on about how everything sucks is getting tired. We get it man, you want to win more, you want better recruits. So does everyone else. 

Ty Butterfield

April 27th, 2020 at 11:17 AM ^

Michigan football is dead. They aren’t beating OSU or winning the Big Ten ever again. Some people have actually realized that but most want to hide their heads in the sand. Recruiting is bad and not getting better. Anyone who points this out is labeled a troll. 

Sten Carlson

April 27th, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^

So, Ty, why are you hear?  Serious question.  Every comment makes your sentiment crystal clear: YOU HATE MICHIGAN.  So again, why bother coming in here continuously?  You just, “keepin’ it real” and letting all us “kool-aid drinking sheep” that we’re deluded?

Troll culture is fascinating, in a pathetic, pathological way, and you, Ty, exemplify it as well as anyone I’ve ever seen. 

MRunner73

April 27th, 2020 at 12:06 PM ^

Some topics on this message board I avoid. Topics of a big Michigan Football or BB win or loss are usually fun and informative. Trolls happen. Like a bad TV show, I just change the channel.

Live and let live and tune out the bad whenever possible.

uncle leo

April 27th, 2020 at 3:28 PM ^

The board is fine. The reason people are negative is because the majority of posters here are football fans and they are fed up with the program, rightfully so. I am glad the wool has finally been lifted; it took a long time for people to finally understand Michigan football is all hype and no substance. And the sport I love most, basketball, is very little hype and all substance. I hope, someday, that Michigan football looks across the aisle and emulates the basketball program.

I never understood why people have a false nostalgia about how message boards used to be. I started in ESPN boards in the late 90s, and people were just as negative as they are now.

egrfree2rhyme

April 27th, 2020 at 4:00 PM ^

The football program is all hype and no substance but the basketball program is all substance and no hype?

The basketball half of that statement may have been true with Beilein as coach.  None of us know if that will be the case with Juwan.  I definitely wouldn't say that the Juwan era has been characterized by "no hype" up to this point.

uncle leo

April 27th, 2020 at 4:06 PM ^

It's been true for about a decade now; that's what I am speaking about. I have no clue how the future will be.

The moral of my story is that basketball has always been widely overshadowed by the football program. That's how it was when I was a kid, that's how it was now.

The football program is recruiting and off-season hype and lots of shit talking. Basketball just produces results.

I'm not sure how much "hype" the Juwan era has brought. I think it's brought excitement, but I don't see a ton of people on here and outside talking a bunch of shit.