StoneRoses

August 8th, 2014 at 8:30 PM ^

As long as it's spelled M-I-C-H-I-G-A-N and there is a big block M on the front, it will be Michigan. The fans/students/alumni who go apeshit over cosmetic changes to the program should really refocus their frustration towards the administrators who have continued to let the program stagnate since 1997.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

August 8th, 2014 at 8:35 PM ^

OK, so if it's black and red, and the game is played in the JerryDome, and the helmet has a wolverine head instead of wings, it's all still Michigan then?

Look: Michigan is not a discrete set of traditions with no relation to one another.  It's the whole package.  Dave Brandon says The Brand, The Brand, The Brand, and then continues to change things that are absolutely fundamental to The Brand, one of which is the uniform.

StoneRoses

August 8th, 2014 at 8:43 PM ^

Don't be absurd, black and red jerseys would obviously not be considered a  cosmetic change, that would be a complete overhaul. The Universityn needs to be modernizing the football program on a consistent basis or we run the risk of turning into an outdated and obsolete Dinosaur of a program. Every year since 1997 with the exception of 2006 and 2011 this program has underachieved, that is a sure sign of complacency and laziness and it has crippled the program. If minor changes like this help to keep the program fresh it is not a bad thing.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

August 8th, 2014 at 8:56 PM ^

This is not "keeping the program fresh."  It's desperately following a trend.  It's like expressing your individuality by saying Blurred Lines is the greatest song ever.

You're telling me this is a cosmetic change, and ironically, I agree in a sense - telling everyone we have a modern, not-complacent program because the color of the pants is different for one game is the very definition of lipstick on a pig.  This doesn't mean we're shaking off complacency, it means we're desperate to sell jerseys and incapable of figuring out how to brand a program without joining a herd of sheep.

StoneRoses

August 8th, 2014 at 9:06 PM ^

I've never heard of any blurred Lines...

Listen I don't disagree with you. After receiving my Mden catalogue today, my stomach turned in horror after seeing of the monstrosities that Adidas is pulling out of their asses. However I am loving these jerseys and can't help but think we really could use some well thought out new stuff in the program. These jerseys would be one of those things.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

August 8th, 2014 at 9:20 PM ^

I think the night game itself is what qualifies as well thought out new stuff.  Nobody ever thought, "Michigan, yeah, that's that program that never plays night games."  If a random football fan had been asked, "which program doesn't play night games?" most of them would've struggled with the answer, big-time.  It wasn't part of the brand or identity or anything.  Having night games improves the whole deal.  Mike Barwis was well thought out new stuff because the program badly needed some better ideas in the S&C realm.

But if you put a football player in a blue uniform and maize pants, hell, nobody would even need the helmet to identify the school.  Put him in blue pants and it could be any number of schools.  This is just a gimmick that homogenizes us.

Bodogblog

August 8th, 2014 at 9:35 PM ^

His spread offense was following the herd.  It was a radical change from Michigan tradition.  It violated your idea of "the whole package".  Doing away with the #1 jersey, bringing in smaller, quicker players, using the 3-3-5, playing music at practice, not wearing white and blue gameday shirts instead of maize and blue, swearing at players in practice and openly ridiculing some... and many other "25 cent cuts".  Many people hated RR for making Michigan not Michigan. 

If you agreed with them, I applaud your consistency.  I wouldn't have agreed with you.  But if you thought all of those things were minor and not a big deal, you need to examine your hypocrisy. 

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

August 8th, 2014 at 10:21 PM ^

RR invented the damn spread.  This is not hyperbole.  The zone-read that he ran was his own creation.  The herd followed him, not the other way around.

Your list is chock full of things that nobody ever associated with Michigan.  The 3-3-5?  Really?  "Michigan doesn't run a 3-3-5" is something that nobody said, ever.  "Michigan doesn't play music at practice" is absurd.  The only things I'll grant you are the offense and the #1 jersey, and RR backed right off handing the #1 jersey to just anyone after there was backlash, so it shouldn't really even be on your list.

There's nothing hypocritical about what I'm saying, because all those things are complete non sequiturs.

Bodogblog

August 8th, 2014 at 10:43 PM ^

No. You are the blue hair shaking your fist at RR for changing Michigan into something not Michigan. For violating your total package. You are today's version of that person, substituting Brandon for RR. I didn't agree with that person, I thought all those things happened and didn't affect my perception of Michigan. Just as I don't agree with you, given I don't believe things like movie night or one alternate uni a year affect my perception of Michigan. And this is obvious, and I'm sure you're intentionally ignoring my argument, but who invented the spread is totally unrelated to my argument. Changing from tough, physical, pro style football with a fullback and TE was a monumental change for many. Think about it: many fans of Michigan have only ever seen the team on TV, they were used to big, tough players. Part of their "total package was that, maybe primarily that. RR changed it with the spread, and with all the other things I listed. They shook their fist, I looked forward with optimism. I do the same today. If you didn't have any issue with the RR changes, but shake your fist at the Brandon changes, yes I call you a hypocrite. You both rage because you believe "this is not Michigan!"

Bodogblog

August 8th, 2014 at 11:59 PM ^

Maybe you actually don't understand my point. 

You are just like the anti-RR crowd, in that you see a collection of "25 cent" changes and declare that Michigan is being lost.  You probably didn't agree with the blue hairs back then, in othe words, you dismissed what they thought was important in This is Michigan.  

Now, you are presented with a set of 25 cent changes that you disagree with, and now you are declaing that Michigan is being lost.  I'm saying it's hypocritical of you to have ignored their complaints - because you thought they were minor and didn't affect you perception - and then turn around make the same complaints about Brandon. 

My view: I was OK with the RR years (except the losing), it didn't affect my perception of Michigan.  I am OK with Brandon, it doesn't affect my perception of Michigan.  So to the extent that I believe both represent a significant overreaction, perhaps I do disagree with both of your perceptions.  Though not violently so.  I just don't understan why either of you were/are so upset. 

But if you dismissed the blue hairs concerns, then you did tell those people their perception was invalid.  That you represent the mirror image of them, flip-flopping RR for Brandon, seems hypocritcal.  Again, if you were a RR-rager, I withdraw and applaud your consistency in opposing anything that violated the Bo Schembechler model.  But I don't agree with you. 

Artie

August 9th, 2014 at 3:47 AM ^

You could say the same thing about administrators wanting to be like the Oregons of the college football world instead of trying to be Michigan. Don't worry about the fucking Brand and win some games. I wild be extremely surprised if we have swayed any recruits thus far with our "jerseys".

StoneRoses

August 8th, 2014 at 8:25 PM ^

All that remains now is to beat Penn State. I would be EXTREMELY dissappointed if we do not send them back to Pennsylvania with a loss (hopefully a double digit loss). God...we MUST beat them this year.