"It's harder to get into Big Ten universities, except MSU"

Submitted by James Burrill Angell on

The article title pretty much says it all but it's worth a read. http://bridgemi.com/2014/08/um-soars-msu-doesnt-on-freshmen-test-scores/

Apparently State has also fallen behind Michigan Tech in admission standards.

 

EDIT: for those of you who still won't click a non-sports/non-Snyder or Rosenberg article here's the guts:

 

"Since 2001, Michigan, Ohio State, Minnesota, Indiana and Purdue have seen substantial gains in ACT test scores for incoming freshmen. This has pushed the Big Ten's average scores on the so-called "middle 50" -- representing the middle 50% of incoming freshmen - up 2 points or more over this period. ACT scores for Big Ten freshmen in the 25th percentile of their class rose from 22.6 points on average in 2001 to 25.1 points last year, a 2.5-point increase. Those in the 75th percentile rose from 27.9 to 29.8 (a max ACT score is 36). But as the conference attracts higher-achieving students, one member, Michigan State, has basically tread water since 2001. Incoming MSU students raised their ACT scores by roughly one point over this period, even as other schools - both from the top and bottom of the Big Ten - raised their game considerably, a Bridge analysis shows. Michigan State now ranks second from the bottom among the 12 Big Ten universities that report ACT scores, ahead of only Nebraska. (Rutgers and Maryland joined the conference this year but are not included in this analysis because nearly all their students took the SAT). Back in 2001, MSU was ahead of Nebraska and essentially tied with Indiana, Purdue and Minnesota, and just behind Ohio State and Illinois. Except for Nebraska, these other schools had surpassed Michigan State on either the 25th and 75th percentiles or both by 2013. MSU does, however, have far more company when compared with Michigan's 14 other public universities. With the exception of UM, the Bridge analysis finds that nearly all in-state schools stayed relatively stagnant since 2001, as measured by the ACT. MSU ranks third in the state in academic strength of its incoming students, behind UM and Michigan Tech."

UMgradMSUdad

August 28th, 2014 at 12:17 AM ^

That's the value of a standardized test.  While not perfect, it is the same standard for everyone. There is incredible variability in high schools.  Just as an example, I've seen students who graduated at or near the top of their class, with a GPA of over 3.9 who have scored below 20 on the ACT and required remedial courses before being able to tackle college level classes. Someone like that is likely to struggle in a rigorous academic climate.

Yeoman

August 28th, 2014 at 12:46 AM ^

...that could be an argument for either side.

If your goal is to bring in the students best equipped from the outset to tackle a rigorous academic climate you'll prefer the standardized test to GPAs for precisely the reason you've outlined.

If your goal is to equalize opportunity for students across vastly different socioeconomic circumstances you might prefer the UT solution, again for precisely the reason you've outlined. There's enormous variation among high schools, and this way students only compete against their classmates and aren't punished or rewarded for the high school they happened to get stuck in.

The result's likely to be a fair number of students that wash out at UT. There will also be some students that kick ass in those remedial courses and then flourish when finally exposed to an environment they never would have seen otherwise. How many of the former are you willing to suffer in exchange for the latter?

Asgardian

August 27th, 2014 at 9:56 PM ^

25% of MSU students scored a 28 or BETTER

25% of Michigan students scored a 28 or WORSE

Damn proud of our university, but let's not pretend getting into Michigan magically makes you a genius / better than everyone else.

Those of us that went there will remember every class still has its "dumb kids".

James Burrill Angell

August 27th, 2014 at 10:25 PM ^

Not sure about your MSU stat but I recruit for Michigan and the stat is the bottom 25% of our entering class had a 29 or lower. One point may seem meaningless but on the ACT it's quite a bit. The difference between the 25th % and 75th % at Michigan is only three points (30 to 33). Further, going with your stats you're saying only a quarter of their kids had the credentials to compete with our kids.