It’s gotta be said. 3-14. No trips to the line.
Davis 4-4
Castleton 2-2
It isn’t even just Teske shooting bad, he’s playing with his back to the basket at least 6-8 feet too far out. Only Kareem could get away with such poor post work with the sky hook.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:23 PM ^
His fadeaway hook shot is a horrible shot. And he does it constantly. Instead of trying to get closer to the rim he moves out on his post ups.
Juwan really needs to fix Teske before the tourneys. Even Austin Davis is better in the post now than Teske
February 13th, 2020 at 3:14 PM ^
Don't know if he's fixable as a true post man at this point - he's spent his whole life as a pick and roll big. His lack of comfort of putting a ball in the cage a foot away is getting progressively worse the more open shots he gets. Vexing.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:24 PM ^
Or how about, it doesn't need to be said?
I complain all the time on here (about the refs), but not a peep tonight. Great team win all around! Enjoy it.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:40 PM ^
Can’t help but see an obvious disconnect here... what does you complaining all the time about refs have to do with Teske’s performance tonight?
Is this a humblebrag about not consistently complaining?
February 13th, 2020 at 12:17 AM ^
I didn't intend it to be a humblebrag but rather an acknowledgement that the majority of my posts are negative, almost always about the refs, and I was feeling overwhelmingly happy about the entire game -- the refs, Teske, Brooks, Simpson -- and I couldn't understand how anyone could take any aspect of this particular game to task.
But you're right about the disconnect. What does complaining about the refs have to do with complaining about Teske? I think I was just upset that the OP "jbrandimore," who ardently defended the refs in Michigan's 3 losses to MSU last year, was now saying bad things about Teske's performance. I remember telling jbrandimore last year after our 3rd loss to MSU to take a swim in the Detroit River with a heavy stack of signed Cassius Winston game programs because he couldn't help but profess his admiration for Winston and his ability to carry MSU to wins against us. And here he was complaining about Teske on a night we dominated.
I thought Teske played well. And I like Teske, even if he seems to be playing worse than he did in the Bahamas (and perhaps last year). I would take Teske over Davis and Castleton any day when it comes to minutes.
I think my original comment came from a place of wanting to show that I am not always negative, despite how my comments might come across. Tonight was a perfect example to show that I can be positive! (see exclamation point)
Are there any shrinks out there that could help me advance my self-analysis?
February 13th, 2020 at 12:28 AM ^
I love the big guy, but Teske did not play well tonight.
February 13th, 2020 at 12:57 AM ^
"I thought Teske played well"
So youre going to claim Teske played well just to prove you aren't always negative? Oh OK
The team outside of Teske shot over 50%. Teske shot 3/14 which is not well or good. Simple as that.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:07 AM ^
I wrote a post saying that maybe Teske didn't actually play well, and I just didn't see it because I was watching my kid, having a glass of wine, enjoying a blowout with lots of good defense in the paint and no Teske jacked up 3's (that I could remember seeing)...but then my computer froze and I couldn't send.
But here I am retyping it. I guess Teske didn't play well from the gist of this thread and I stand corrected.
Still love ya Big Sleep.
February 13th, 2020 at 6:57 AM ^
He did jack up one 3, a wide open - I mean, 15' open in all directions - bomb from the top left, and it clanged harmlessly off the front of the rim. It didn't even look good going up, shot too quickly, too flatly, and too weakly. Face it, Teske is a shell of himself from last year, for whatever reason. He has been horrible in the post, offensively, all year.
I'd rather have Davis in the game when we need post points. But defensively, Teske still plays better than Davis.
February 13th, 2020 at 8:44 AM ^
yes Davis, finishes much better around the rim than Teske, but Teske is much better defensively. I'm at a loss to explain his regression offensively which is really a season long thing, not just last night.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:26 PM ^
February 13th, 2020 at 6:37 AM ^
It has been said consistently in most game threads and various other places. I'm not sure it needs a separate post. I'm not sure that we need to call out one of our players so publicly. It was a good win. Yes, Teske was struggling, but he's been a good part of the team and he seems like a decent guy. Maybe we can just leave it at that.
February 13th, 2020 at 7:55 AM ^
You're probably right, 901 P. But isn't the whole purpose of sports message boards to call out {insert person, topic, garbage university in Lansing, here} so publicly?
February 12th, 2020 at 11:27 PM ^
Last year Teske was asked to be a lockdown defender, pick and roll, and stretch 5. Never did we go down low back to the basket with him last year. Remember in the second MSU game last year when we made a run and he had Winston on him 1-1 and he managed to travel?
Teske has been a good player for his career. Has outplayed his recruiting ranking. Fact of the matter is in this offense, he doesn’t have a role. He’s not sound down low back to the basket and his outside shot is spotty at best. With Davis’ emergence as Jordan Morgan 2.0, it lessens his load.
Simpson had great chemistry with Teske last year and it just isn’t there anymore. That has hurt Simpson’s game too.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:58 PM ^
I think this is mostly it. He needs to go back to being mostly just a screener. His post game has advanced enough that he should be able to post up mismatches.
I'm more concerned about his defensive game. He's doing a terrible job contesting shots, and it's been that way all season. I suspect he's carrying more weight and is just not as active as before.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^
I think he has too much on his plate now and is physically and mentally fatigued. I’d like to see some selective swing sets that look to get livers or Wagner post touches against smaller wings. Teske can reliably hit a 15 footer, so he should be able to suck the primary post defender away to enable such touches.
I think More of that and less forced teske post touches will actually lead to better offense, and take some of the pressure off teske to get micro breaks on offense and refocus as a primary defensive contributor.
just my opinions...
February 13th, 2020 at 9:54 AM ^
Jordan Morgan 2.0, that's actually a great way to describe Davis.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:29 PM ^
Start The Substitute Teacher (Davis....my kid says he looks like one).
February 12th, 2020 at 11:33 PM ^
LOL "substitute teacher", especially after Davis gave his mean mug look following the late-game dunk by Livers.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:30 PM ^
He throws knuckleballs at the rim. Physically he is a mismatch. Technically he isn’t so good at posting up. Or shooting in general. But don’t give up on guys. Eli Brooks was on our crap list earlier this year and I’m not sure they win some of these games without him. Jordan Morgan went through a slump in confidence his senior year and then had some key plays in the final four run.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:37 PM ^
When was Eli Brooks ever on our "Crap list" this year? He has been a baller this season. 1st game of the season he dropped like 24. Vs UNC 25. He has been one of our most consistent guys
February 13th, 2020 at 12:02 AM ^
He's played well overall but he's been very inconsistent. For example, he went through a 3 game stretch with games of 2, 4, and 9 points against msu, Purdue, and Minnesota earlier this year. Brian was openly calling for cutting his minutes for DDJ.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:05 AM ^
Just because he had a bad 3 game stretch doesn't mean he has been inconsistent on the season
His bad 3 game stretch was sandwiched in between good games: 16pts, 15pts, 2pts, 4pts, 9pts, 25pts, and 12pts. Not many players are going to play good for the entire season
If you dont think Brooks has been one of the most consistent scorers on the team then I have no clue what to tell you. Anybody who thinks he belonged on a crap list at any point in the season is full of crap themselves
Brooks went from 2ppg last season to 11ppg this season. Easily the most improved player on the team.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:29 AM ^
Austin Davis is the most improved player on the team. Upvote my ass if you agree, and downvote Michigan Stan's post above to drive home the point.
February 13th, 2020 at 4:56 AM ^
Eli Brooks 2019: 2.5pts, 1 ast, 1.2rebs, 29%3pt
Eli Brooks 2020: 11pts, 2.2 ast, 3.8rebs, 38%3pt
Austin Davis 2019: 1pts, 0.8rebs, 67%FG
Austin Davis 2020: 4.7pts, 2.6rebs, 70%FG
Anybody with eyes can watch the games and see Brooks is the most improved but if you aren't smart enough to see it you can also look at the stats. Brooks didn't have a SINGLE 10pt game last season. This season he has TWELVE 10+ pt games including four 20pt games
February 13th, 2020 at 6:56 AM ^
Yeah, IMO it's not that Davis has improved (or that Teske has regressed) it's that they have been asked to do VERY different things this year. TEske is not a back to the basket guy. He's a stretch 5 (via P&R, screens, etc) not a post guy that Davis is. Teske moved out of his wheelhouse and Davis moved into his b/c that's what JH wants the offense to be.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:12 AM ^
Doesn't make much sense to use their per game statistics to prove which player has improved more when Brooks gets 3x as many minutes as Davis. I'm not here to argue which one is the most improved. Who cares? They're both much improved and that's good for Michigan Basketball. But if Davis was getting starter minutes, and I'm not saying her should be, his points per game and rebounds per game would likely be higher without that actually meaning he's even more improved.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:12 AM ^
Double post move.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:24 PM ^
You're making my argument for me. He'll score a lot of points for a stretch and then no points for a stretch. That's the definition of inconsistent. I think he's a good player and will get more consistent with time.
February 15th, 2020 at 7:14 AM ^
How do the stats reveal how he’s played defensively? I was screaming for him to be switched onto Winston at EL. Finally he was on him for the home game with drastically different results for MSU. Half the game is played on the defensive end and you shouldn’t gauge everything from offensive output. Real defenders sacrifice part of their offensive game and energy to make stops.
February 13th, 2020 at 12:13 AM ^
To your point on Teske...Davis’s post up technique has really improved. When he catches it down low, I now expect him to score.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:24 AM ^
He actually looks quick and agile when he gets the ball in the paint. Compare that to how he looked in his sophomore year. That should give us the patience to let Castleton continue down that same road.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:37 PM ^
Teske's in a slump. Cut him some slack and trust the coaches to work with him to work his way out of it. Big Sleep has helped us win A LOT of games. Respect it. Be a fan - not a critic
February 13th, 2020 at 12:15 AM ^
I think its just a slump as well. I seem to remember more strong takes to the basket and dunks last year. I think its just an effort and focus thing. Right now Davis is playing with a lot of effort lately. Teske has to get that back. If Davis starts picking up minutes that will help.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:21 AM ^
I agree. Put in the work and get it fixed by tourney time.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:37 PM ^
At this stage, Davis clearly looks more athletic and polished than Teske does. Teske tries every finish off the first initial move, doesn't matter if it's a hook shot or rolling to the basket, its gonna be all in the same motion. Davis uses elbows, goes up and under on defenders and uses positioning. Teske will probably look good in the NCAA tourney because teams wont have played against him yet.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:42 PM ^
I think you’ve had too much Brandy, J...
February 12th, 2020 at 11:49 PM ^
Teske discontent is shortsighted, hawt take, and insane. I don’t know why anyone would create this topic.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:49 PM ^
I love John Teske. It isn’t his fault that another offense was primarily,”fixated” on making everyone a shooter no matter what your height was. Juwan is forced to try and develop and mentor to this young man, at the same time. First, Juwan is trying to help him understand that he’s not athletic enough to stay on the perimeter in the pros. So here’s what we’ll do. We will allow you to look quirky in games in the regular season, with high hopes that come March, Big John, you may literally,”shock the world!” Thank the lord, he has a coach that’s patient enough to allow him the opportunity to learn on the job. Teske, will eventually surprise even himself sometime soon and he will be a much better player for Michigan. He is a selfless, intelligent, and great ambassador for the University and I am extremely proud of each and every one of his 104 victories in the Michigan uniform. And for that we all should be grateful. GO BLUE!!!
Thanks Big Teske
February 12th, 2020 at 11:58 PM ^
I can’t believe that announcer said Teske is gonna play in the nba lol
February 13th, 2020 at 12:16 AM ^
He’s had a couple games this year, where I thought “maybe?” on him in the NBA. But nights like tonight make that look a bit silly. He needs to finish better.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^
he has a better chance than mr gucci, i'm guessing.
February 13th, 2020 at 12:16 AM ^
Reading this thread is sort of bizarre after a 25-point win on the road.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:03 AM ^
No shit.....
February 13th, 2020 at 12:34 AM ^
Teske probably couldn’t even manage to ride Lebron’s dick
February 13th, 2020 at 1:51 AM ^
you can make the point without saying that
February 13th, 2020 at 6:30 AM ^
This is a reference to that thread, isn't it?
February 13th, 2020 at 8:21 AM ^
"Rick Snow" seems like the perfect name for a douchebag who would make a comment like this.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:05 AM ^
Sir this is an Arby's
February 13th, 2020 at 2:02 AM ^
Another weird stat from the game from another senior leader now sharing the UM all-time win record:
X is -6 in +/- for the game where he plays more than half the minutes and we win by 25