I’m staying positive

No reason to be optimistic in the face of overwhelming evidence that this is a mediocre team. Just hope for next year like every year since Lloyd

Michigan offense = hot trash

I appreciate you.

what are you staying positive over?

I'm positive that our offense is the worst in the B1G

We need to hire new people to recruit and coach OL and QB. They've sucked for 3 years. I see no reason to think OL won't still suck in year 4. There's always hope with QB, but it's been a letdown every year.

Who's there?

Vodka.

Vodka who?

Vodka Martini! Ankyu...ankyu bery much!

We aren’t getting a coach better than Harbaugh, but we need to make some changes with the OC

Three years ago, our head coach left a concussed QB in the game ... and even sent him back in.  T he team was on its way to a 5-7 season.  We hadn't been in the national championship conversation in nearly 10 years.  The team was...

SOFT.

Harbaugh came in, and he was a savior.  He took Hoke's tire fire and turned it into 10-3 and demolished an SEC division champ in a bowl game.  The improvement was DRAMATIC.  You could see how much better coached the players were.  

Competence.  It was lovely. 

One year after that, we were in the national championship conversation.  We only lost to OSU because of the refs.  

This year, we have the least experienced team in the country, and Harbaugh is dealing with Hoke's terrible recruiting late, especially on the O-line.  

it's only 1 loss, and one that weather and youthful inexperience cost us.  

This team is still 4-1 despite being the least experienced team in division 1.  I'll take it.  Besides, this team will be incredible next year.

Yes, there's room for improvement, but I am thankful every day for Jim Harbaugh.  So should you.  

Just wait til Harbaugh gets HIS guys

Hasn’t been good to us since Indiana in 2015. Luck has to break out way at some point.

Everytime we lose a game like this during a season where I think we'll be pretty damn good...it like makes me question everything else I was positive about. Like am I gay? Is that possible? Michigan disappointment has hurt me so much it makes me question my sexuality. It can't be healthy.

"it's year 3!" "how come we can't do this or that" "inexcusable" "unacceptable"..

This is the same fanbase that ran RR out of town on the back of the idea that his offense is a gimmick and has no place at Michigan.

You know, RR may not be the best offensive coach out there, maybe others have become better at coaching a scheme he played a major role in developing than he is, but the truth is that RR was run out of town because people had a problem with the kind of offense he ran and they had that problem before his first ever game at Michigan.

If you look around college football and try to find offenses that work frequently and regardless of talent level..they're all 'systems' you consider gimmicky. Let's face it, we - as a fanbase and program - glorify the idea of rock solid defensive football with vanilla offense. Hoke glorified that, Harbaugh glorifies it too. The nostalgia of 10-7  wins, the idea that winning with high-powered 'fancy' offense isn't for real men, that stuff is a key element of Michigan mythology. Harbaugh came in essentially with the promise of being Bo - not just of winning as much as Bo - but to basically be Bo 2.0. Everyone notes how big a role nostalgia for Bo plays in what Harbaugh says about Michigan. Look at some of the changes that were made, the return of the old block M, even the old maize. We got a real Michigan Man in Jim Harbaugh and he lives that stuff because it's a big part of his life story.

But if you want to win with tough D and a vanilla offense, you need good, well-executing players across the field but especially at QB and the O-Line. Inexperience significantly reduces the likelihood of that especially in combination with inclement weather. Our execution is awful, but mythological "Michigan football" is based around execution.

To be blunt, we're getting a high-functioning Kirk Ferentz here with better access to talent. If we have a QB and a line, we can make a run at the playoffs. If not, we're pretty meh.

 

 

We just got punked by a team with JUCO level talent

Hire a Don Brown for the offense and then I'll get positive. 

We are not going to get a better coach than Harbaugh. Who do you want? Meyer, Urban?LOL. Harbaugh leaves and we get Ed Orgeron or the equivalent. It's a game played by 18-22 year old kids. The UofM experience is exceptional. The D is amazing and the O needs tons of work. If you are critical then I suggest you listen to Bo's "the team" speech. It's time to back the team.

 

Anyone wanna buy my tix to the Maryland game. Not sure I feel like walking out of there after we get slammed

The void in the OL in Hokes last 2 years. Next year OL will be better and by 2019 they should be good! I just hope Harbaugh doesn’t leave us for the NFL if he has a 4 or more loss season.

But, okay, I’ll play. I think the issue is just as likely to be that the players and staff, as much or more than the fans, are well aware of the records against rivals. When I look at the last 10-15 years against OSU and MSU, I see terrible records; so do they. For comparison, I look no further than John Copper, who couldn’t beat us; despite being one of the winningest coaches in OSU football history, and having some of the best teams to play for that school. Players on his teams have said that his attitude toward Michigan WAS different; he (and his teams) lost anyway. I think the problem may be as much or more about how Harbaugh & Co. mentally prepare themselves and their teams for these rivalry games than it is about X’s and O’s. In the locker room, the mantra may be “we prepare same way every week.” I doubt that is really true. It can’t be accidental that incredibly successful coaches at the NFL and college levels are getting out-coached in these games. Many people on this board have noted the odd play calling at key moments: two consecutive fade routes in the red zone, when running plays had been effective during the drive; successful running plays that were inexplicably abandoned; and, of course, forcing a pass-heavy scheme in the middle of a monsoon. These are symptoms of a coaching staff thinking too much; and it’s affecting their preparation and execution whether they admit it or not.

I'm sorry but we need to rage after a loss like that.  To expect sunshine and rainbows from this fanbase after wandering the desert for so many years is not realistic.

Your optimism is nice. Glad you have it. I fail to see how these softies are going to benefit from a hope of this shaking them up. That’s never been the way they’ve responded, because when they were punched in the face tonight they recoiled and wimped out. I love that the fans have more intensity than the players. I promise you, put some pads on me and I would have thrown less than three picks.