How UMich football transfers are faring at other schools
https://www.mlive.com/sports/g66l-2019/10/423de80f8c1808/how-michigan-football-transfers-are-faring-at-new-schools-.html
Honestly, I had forgotten about Eddie McDoom. Nice to see he’s doing well at S Florida. Would sure be nice to have Aubrey Solomon this year.....
October 11th, 2019 at 8:04 AM ^
Back when fades to McDoom were one of our biggest gripes about mostly functional offense.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:22 AM ^
McDoom was money on those jet sweeps in '16. Crawford as a freshman looked like a young Darboh and a receiver who loved to block. He was all but given the #1 receiver spot in '17 and just couldn't get consistent.
Without a doubt the passing game scheme has changed greatly since we lost Jedd. Slot fades vs OSU to McDoom to fades to Jake McCurry when the game was still close last year vs OSU, and now the painful route tree they are running this year.
How does it seem that in 2019 when the spread/air raid is so commonplace that we happened to hire a guy who doesn't seem to know either how to scheme it/execute it, or both?
October 11th, 2019 at 8:25 AM ^
...when the game was still close last year vs OSU...
So, Friday evening?
October 11th, 2019 at 8:35 AM ^
IIRC, we had the ball twice in the third quarter down a score. The game was close until the punt block/INT combo near the end of the third quarter.
October 11th, 2019 at 9:46 AM ^
People definitely have some weird, selective memory from last year's game. You are correct, we were down by 8 (27-19) with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter..... Then the blocked punt broke the game open (follow that by an INT and the boat race was on).
October 11th, 2019 at 10:00 AM ^
True, but it was nothing short of a miracle that we were able to cut their lead down just before halftime.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:14 AM ^
I'm not arguing that (It is football, though, anything can happen), but there are a fair share of people that think it was a complete blow out after the first half (someone was trying to convince me it was 35-0 at half). We even cut it back down to 2 scores early in the 4th, but then we gave up back-to-back touchdowns (one was a short field off a Joe Milton INT) that finally sealed the deal as a blow out.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:21 AM ^
Come on. OSU was in total control the entire game. It wasn’t as close as you want it to be.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:39 AM ^
Some people think the ND game was close.
October 11th, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
I get it. If you only look at the score, it’s easy to think we were still in it. However, we simply did not look competitive in the second half of that game. The score may say otherwise, but the in-field performance looked rough from the get go after halftime.
October 11th, 2019 at 2:38 PM ^
Nobody thought the game was trending toward UM, but things can change during a game on a dime. Michigan was dominating OSU in 2017 and then...stuff happened.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:30 AM ^
How does it seem that in 2019 when the spread/air raid is so commonplace that we happened to hire a guy who doesn't seem to know either how to scheme it/execute it, or both?
Gattis has never been an OC before. Anywhere that he's worked he wasn't in charge of the offense. Yes, Locksley was going to hire him, but maybe Locksley was going to continue to mentor him as they were presumably aligned on the offense. Maybe he had no plans to simply hand over the keys to Gattis.
So, how did we manage to hire someone who doesn't know how to scheme an offense? Because we hired a guy with no track record of doing it.
October 11th, 2019 at 9:27 AM ^
All true, but Harbaugh is still head coach and knows more about football then almost all of us on this forum. Harbaugh can't knowingly let someone who may be in over their head continue to struggle. So in short, this offense has as much of a Harbaugh imprint as any other offense at Michigan since he has been here. I see this offense turtle in close games and that has Harbaugh all over those decisions. Is this a Gattis issue? Yes, but more importantly, like a Captain on a ship, the buck stops on Harbaugh's desk.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:08 AM ^
I have questioned all along how you hire a guy you have never met over the phone in two hours.
What's the descriptive word I'm looking for? Impulsive? Careless?
October 11th, 2019 at 10:35 AM ^
This makes it sound like Harbaugh picked up the phone and randomly dialed some dude and then decided to hire him after a 2 hour conversation. My guess is that Harbaugh had conversations with folks he knew about potential OC candidates and Gattis' name came up several times as one of the best upcoming offense minds. So, with the back drop that Alabama wanted to keep him and Maryland wanted him as OC, Harbaugh picked up the phone, had a conversation and liked what he heard.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:52 AM ^
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October 11th, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^
That's how he hired Don Brown, and I think it emboldened Harbaugh.
October 11th, 2019 at 4:52 PM ^
Different sport but I think Bielien did the same thing with Bielien.
October 12th, 2019 at 10:06 AM ^
JH consulted Bill Belichick on Brown.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:12 AM ^
I was going to pose the question of whether we have an inordinate number of guys transferring out for non-PT reasons (personality issues, etc. such as with Solomon and Hudson). However, this could just be more of a "sign of the times" issue with how easy the NCAA has made it to switch programs (and that people make it as though no one commits to a school any longer, but merely the football program and staff).
Any thoughts from former NCAA players about this?
October 11th, 2019 at 8:22 AM ^
Hudson wasn't a playing time transfer?
I thought he wanted to leave as soon as Stueber passed him on the depth chart.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:30 AM ^
Hudson basically transferred before the start of the 4th qtr at MSU last season.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:22 AM ^
I played a non-revenue sport, which has had the "one free transfer" rule for a minute. On a roster of 30-ish, we had one or two dudes in & out in any given year. Playing time was, by far, the biggest reason, followed closely by location.
In my four years, I think we only had one dude leave due to personality-related issues.
October 11th, 2019 at 9:47 AM ^
Played for Ellerbe eh?
jk
October 11th, 2019 at 8:40 AM ^
The thing that most stuck out to me on that list is its Blue Chip Ratio:
1 Five-star
14 Four-stars
2 Three-stars
Obviously they moved on for a reason (almost universally for lagging behind in the depth chart). Still that ratio is jarring. It's also interesting since Michigan has significantly out-recruited PSU the last four years, but at #11 nationally, they trail PSU (#10 nationally) in 247's "College Football Team Talent" tracker.
This is why.
October 11th, 2019 at 9:02 AM ^
You could argue that the reason for the number of Four stars leaving is because Michigan has landed a lot of 4 star recruits. While it seems jarring on the surface, if you are landing mostly 4 star guys, odds are that when players leave, they are going to be a 4 star prospect.
With the 2018 having a bunch of 3 stars, you may look at that number next year, as those guys start to transfer out, the number of 3 stars may increase.
October 11th, 2019 at 9:28 AM ^
You can definitely argue that. It is then worth highlighting how that argument hinges on it being typical for highly rated classes to hemmhorage highly rated players in this proportion. And it's worth asking whether that is true. My comparison between PSU and Michiigan points out that this is disproportionately affecting Michigan (in this one comparison). That isn't enough on its own to make a conclusion, of course. It would be good to extend that comparison to more teams.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:10 AM ^
They don’t hemorrhage that much.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:06 AM ^
I really don't think that's how it works, our odd amount of decently rated guys leaving does this team no favors in terms of depth, who you're practicing against, and who is good enough to sub in for a bit during games.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:55 AM ^
Higher ranked recruits are more likely to leave early for playing time. Lower rated recruits aren't typically expecting to play right away. Also, out of region recruits are more likely to transfer.
It's hard to draw sweeping conclusions about this particular group. They left for a variety of reasons.
Samuels and Walker got into trouble and were forced out. St Juste wasn't cleared to return from injuries. Hall left almost immediately with reports he was overmatched in practice. Some were for playing time and most of them returned near home.
Deron Irving-Bey didn't make their list. He flunked out of CMU, went to a JuCo, returned to CMU and hasn't yet been cleared to play.
October 11th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^
Yes, but not this many transfers.
October 11th, 2019 at 12:15 PM ^
I don't think I made any sweeping conclusions, except to call it jarring. I suppose I was inferring (not concluding) that our losses have a disproportionately high BCR. That remains to be confirmed, though if we treat the PSU comparison as pilot data, we start with 1/1 data point aligning with the hypothesis. They hemorrhaged an outrageous number of players in the last year, but their 3-star quotient is significantly higher. (P.S. Don't bother needling me on the one data point aspect; I leapt myself to admit it.)
October 11th, 2019 at 2:04 PM ^
Asiasi and Solomon had immediate playing time. Crawford and McDoom had a bunch of PT, so umm no.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:14 AM ^
I forgot how many of these guys got immediate eligibility. It makes Fickell crying like a bitch, look even more ridiculous.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:57 AM ^
It makes Fickell look less ridiculous. Why should Solomon and Martin be granted immediate eligibility and Hudson be denied? The NCAA is completely arbitrary. Fickell could have done a better job of aiming his anger but it is completely justified.
October 11th, 2019 at 6:33 PM ^
He looks ridiculous for blaming it on Harbaugh. It's not Harbaugh's fault they couldn't come up with a decent lie to get immediate eligibility like all of the other players.
October 12th, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^
I said his anger was misdirected. His lie was fine, the problem is the NCAA is dishonest and arbitrary. Do you actually know what the justification was for Martin and Solomon being granted immediate eligibility?
October 11th, 2019 at 8:15 AM ^
McDoom has four catches. Is that doing well? Meanwhile, here's some speed in space for you:
October 11th, 2019 at 8:20 AM ^
Hey, he's their 10th leading receiver.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:33 AM ^
He still can't catch.
October 11th, 2019 at 9:09 AM ^
I’ve only watched USF against Wisconsin. McDoom looked terrible.
October 11th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
"I’ve only watched USF against Wisconsin. McDoom looked terrible."
Shouldn't we refrain from saying an individual looked terrible against Wisconsin . . . I mean giving the circumstances?
October 11th, 2019 at 1:38 PM ^
How did Shea look to you against Wisconsin ?
October 11th, 2019 at 9:14 AM ^
That drop against MSU...?
October 11th, 2019 at 8:56 PM ^
McDoom couldn't catch and was effectively useless as a WR. Crawford was slightly better than useless, but at least seemed willing to block.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:30 AM ^
Future seemed so bright back in 2016. Wow
October 11th, 2019 at 8:38 AM ^
Jedd Fisch.
October 11th, 2019 at 9:59 AM ^
He took a lot of heat from this board after the ‘16 Iowa game. Since he was the passing coordinator, it just had to be his fault.
October 11th, 2019 at 10:25 PM ^
I hope that we got rid of the bum immediately and followed these 4 easy steps:
1. Get rid of guy.
2. Get new guy.
3. . . .
4. Oklahoma passing.
October 11th, 2019 at 8:41 AM ^
Ah yes, back when hope still shined....those were days