Houston Cougars/Holgorsen Actively Tanking?
Interesting article on Holgorsen and the Cougars goals this year. Apparently they’ve asked some of their most talented players to redshirt so they can have a do over next year. Thoughts on this strategy?
October 17th, 2019 at 4:42 PM ^
All paths lead to Putin.
October 17th, 2019 at 9:38 PM ^
I heard Putin has been a UH fan since Phi Slamma Jamma.
October 17th, 2019 at 4:42 PM ^
Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.
October 17th, 2019 at 6:50 PM ^
Usually you pay double for that kind of action...
October 17th, 2019 at 9:37 PM ^
If they get the top pick in the draft, then they could get a QB that may be a factor there for the next decade.
Should work in college, right?
October 17th, 2019 at 4:52 PM ^
All the money Holgorsen makes and he still looks like a hobo who just rolled into town on a CP freighter. And yeah--how the fuck does tanking help you in college football? How do players get better by NOT playing when they were starters? Lay off the bottle, Dana...
October 17th, 2019 at 4:56 PM ^
His sideline demeanor is like that of the belligerent uncle who had too much to drink at the family reunion.
October 17th, 2019 at 5:08 PM ^
And we yearn for that here!
October 17th, 2019 at 6:39 PM ^
We yearn for a sharp minded coach who looks/acts like he railed a gram of cocaine up each nostril. Not a drunk.
October 17th, 2019 at 7:40 PM ^
Unfortunately...he is still in rehab since late 2016..still waiting for him to escape and save us all!
October 17th, 2019 at 9:34 PM ^
To be fair if you were married to your Aunt, you'd drink too. Bitch.
October 17th, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^
While I don't agree with his philosophy, I imagine his thought process is that they will benefit from having a year to practice in his system. He does look like a hobo.
October 17th, 2019 at 10:40 PM ^
That philosophy should work wonders for recruiting.
October 17th, 2019 at 7:07 PM ^
Well the players still get to practice, and they earn another year of eligibility. There’s certainly a lot of benefit to getting an extra year with those starters. You can question the gamesmanship of the idea, but from a football standpoint you’re getting a lot of value.
October 17th, 2019 at 8:53 PM ^
Bob Huggins says, hold my 40oz.
October 17th, 2019 at 9:35 PM ^
Headed to the liquor store in a few to pick up a 40 of Old E. Maybe Colt 45, IDK. ?♂️
October 17th, 2019 at 9:52 PM ^
Can’t go wrong with either. I’d even throw Mickey’s into the mix....Crazy Horse and even King Cobra back in the day. I don’t know if Crazy Horse is still around?
October 17th, 2019 at 4:54 PM ^
Must really want Tua or Chase Young in the draft
October 17th, 2019 at 4:55 PM ^
Well that just means they get a higher draft pick right?
October 17th, 2019 at 4:55 PM ^
This has been known for weeks.
October 17th, 2019 at 4:56 PM ^
Is he aware there isn't a draft in college football?
October 17th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^
I saw one of his players on Twitter a week or so ago lamenting how he was not one of those asked to take the redshirt. This is a problem. If players were just inhuman pawns to jockey around, maybe this strategy works, but this is brutally unfair to the guys spilling their guts out to play football at the highest level they'll ever achieve in their lives. They will not get these games back. Their coach doesn't give a shit and wants to throw all that away to increase their chance of making the playoffs from 0.05% to 0.1%. It's shortsighted and cruel. High School kids will obviously notice this behavior and not look at it favorably.
October 18th, 2019 at 2:50 AM ^
Outstanding point. How do you look a player in the eye you've basically told isn't talented or valued enough to "save" for next year when you're actually going to try to win and ask him to go out and give his all when you've overtly sabotaged any chance of being successful?
I used to like Holgorsen, only because it was amusing watching a guy that looks like he's on a week-long bender trying to coach football, but this is pathetic and classless. Hopefully recruits (and parents) see the value he actually places on his players.
October 17th, 2019 at 5:38 PM ^
It's a novel approach in CFB and not one I expect to go over well. I just wonder if schools will start adding tanking into the firing for cause clauses in new contracts?
October 17th, 2019 at 5:42 PM ^
LOL, wonder what the SRs think of this plan?
October 17th, 2019 at 5:43 PM ^
With a skullet like that he can do whatever he pleases.
October 17th, 2019 at 5:45 PM ^
I like it, it seems like the antithesis of people sitting out bowl games.
October 17th, 2019 at 5:51 PM ^
Smart move, going for the lottery picks.
October 17th, 2019 at 5:51 PM ^
And what happens when they suck again next year? This will destroy their recruiting (assuming they have any?) Would be shocked if Holgorsen is there in the next two years
October 17th, 2019 at 6:01 PM ^
This seems like it would hurt recruiting, no? They basically move their roster back one recruiting year so the incoming kids will have tons of overlap and probably a longer path to the field.
October 17th, 2019 at 6:30 PM ^
My buddies & I used to do this all the time back in NCAA '08 (last year we played).
Roster Management 101 involved redshirting anyone that didn't already have one during Year 1 of Dynasty Mode. Took a minor hit Year 1, but your roster would get a major boost during Year 2.
October 17th, 2019 at 7:16 PM ^
Over-signing and cutting upperclassmen that didn't develop enough was also an annual (well, annual in the game) occurrence. I was basically Saban.
October 17th, 2019 at 7:23 PM ^
Are we talking about a computer game?
October 17th, 2019 at 6:38 PM ^
Sometimes a Cougar just likes to go down for the hell of it. Why not?
October 17th, 2019 at 6:50 PM ^
I mean many teams used to do this in the past. They would redshirt their entire freshman class and in 3-4 years yield a very competitive competent team
October 17th, 2019 at 6:57 PM ^
I honestly don't see much of a point in tanking in college. There is no draft, and doing bad one year puts you even further behind the 8-ball for recruiting next year. Even if your guys take a RS, they still get a year older, still prone to injury, still out of the game for that span of time, etc.
It's not like the NFL where tanking gets you closer to the #1 overall pick. College is a perfect example ever year of the rich get richer (i.e. winning usually begets more winning) and the poor get poorer (i.e. losing usually begets more losing).
October 17th, 2019 at 7:15 PM ^
Smart move. Possibly go after some transfers. This will be the new normal. Especially for lower tier schools
October 17th, 2019 at 7:20 PM ^
So much for the season ticket holders.
October 17th, 2019 at 7:21 PM ^
October 17th, 2019 at 8:32 PM ^
Hey, if they get the top pick and could add Chase Young to that defense, or maybe Jonathan Taylor, they could be nasty next year.
October 17th, 2019 at 9:05 PM ^
If anyone wants to know why the NCAA rulebook is nearly 300 pages and has odd rules that punish a coach for giving a kid a sandwich need only look at Dana Holgorsen and this spectacle. He decided to use the new 4 game redshirt rule which is very well intentioned to benefit players and bastardize it after an embarrassing loss to Tulane to get a do-over for the season.
The NCAA has its issues but a hell of a lot of it has to do with coaches who take rules for the benefit of the players and make it instead for the benefit of themselves.
October 18th, 2019 at 9:02 PM ^
Hoke did something that was a bit different at San Diego State but was motivated by the same idea: he sat his more experienced players his first year in favor of playing the young guys and recruits more, knowing full well that they would be the ones carrying the team from then on.
It did improve them to a winning season the next year.
As far as Holgorson, he reminds me of his mentor Mike Leach: as off the wall as they come, and can be way off in many ways, but when they happen to be right, they happen to be REALLY right.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:38 AM ^
I'm sure all the other seniors love the idea.
I have no idea what college football is going to look like in 20 years but it's not going to be the same. One thing I'm all but certain of is there's not going to be enough quality players to field 130 D1 teams. The divide between the haves and the have-nots will continue to grow until schools stop fielding teams or they redo the divisions.
What was the question again???