Buffalowing Blue

January 29th, 2024 at 8:46 AM ^

So I know its going to be hard on everyone to not expect to see this team do great things like we were used to seeing the past 3 years but I'm going to really make myself be patient and realistic this season.  They are going to lose games this year.

IMO the trolls are going to laugh at Michigan and say Moore sucks blah blah, but we will not know how good or bad Moore will be for another 3-4 years.  Thats a long time but thats fair isnt it?  Especially since Jim is raiding the damn cupboard on the way out.

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schreibee

January 29th, 2024 at 1:49 PM ^

There is and has been legitimate debate about the impact that the S&C coordinator can have at the NFL level, due to professionals having their own training programs, unlike a college player.

So in this case he's taking an outside shot that throwing money at his college S&C guy can have a cultural impact on his pro team. So it's fair to debate whether that is even a good gamble for Harbaugh to make in his 1st introduction to his new players. 

And if that's a debate, then whether he absolutely had to raid Michigan's cupboard to try it is certainly a fair conversation to have...

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Toby Flenderson

January 29th, 2024 at 8:56 AM ^

1) Not alienate the best HC Michigan has had since Fritz Crisler 

2) Set up NIL to compete with other elite programs, instead of going “hurr hurr we are Michigan. We are better than paying athletes”

3) Doing the due diligence in HR to ensure Michigan doesn’t embarrass themselves by hiring folks such as Schemy and Connor Stallions, who were clear nutcases

4) Ensure your first year coach is set up with success by retaining his staff. 

5) Work effectively with the admissions department so Michigan can effectively utilize the transfer portal. 

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stephenrjking

January 29th, 2024 at 9:24 AM ^

Regarding 2), Michigan does in fact work to pay athletes. It is, however, fair to question whether they do the best job of it. As I said the other day, Warde has taken ownership of the policy.

1 and 3 are directly contradictory. What little inside info we have about the relationship between Harbaugh and Warde and the tension there suggests that Harbaugh wants to do his own thing and wasn’t inclined to go through processes and hoops everyone else in the athletic department was required to deal with.

Anyone who blames Warde for Shemy and Stalions actually wants Warde to meddle in Harbaugh’s staffing more rather than less, telling Harbaugh “sorry, you can’t hire this person you want to hire when you want to hire them,” alienating him more. Blaming Warde for those two hires is logically inconsistent with a position that Warde should give Harbaugh whatever he wants. 

4) An AD can do a fine job at that and still not retain all the staff.

5) Warde is not the one who controls the admissions issues. Your issue is with Michigan as an institution. Ono could probably change this if he wanted to; Warde cannot. 

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maizenbluenc

January 29th, 2024 at 9:46 AM ^

All of this may be true, but we are seeing a significant setback to Michigan football right when they had a chance to turbo charge it (like Georgia did). And the guy who is in charge of the department is responsible for ensuring the latter.

So far the response has been promote from within. Meanwhile to outward reason to believe in sustained success, and the potential floor for expectations - the thing that influences recruits and keeps players out of the portal - declines daily.

And then there is the demise of the basketball program and the whole Mel thing.

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Toby Flenderson

January 29th, 2024 at 10:05 AM ^

It’s one thing to not meddle into Harbaugh’s program, it is another thing to completely lack the due diligence to be the effective HR of the football program. Harbaugh doesn’t have time to check out Schemy’s record. It takes the AD office 2 minutes on Twitter to see that Schemy is a racist piece of shit who doesn’t deserve to be part of Michigans program. He can just go to Harbaugh and say “we checked his Twitter, this will be a PR nightmare. Find someone else”. 
 

That isn’t meddling. That is due diligence. What is meddling is Warde not embracing NIL. It’s pathetic in todays college football. 

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pescadero

January 29th, 2024 at 10:26 AM ^

"Set up NIL to compete with other elite programs, instead of going “hurr hurr we are Michigan. We are better than paying athletes”

 

So you want the University to violate state of Michigan law, as well as NCAA rules regarding NIL?

 

"Work effectively with the admissions department so Michigan can effectively utilize the transfer portal. "

Admissions has nothing to do with credit acceptance. We have zero problems getting transfers admitted.

Admissions can't do anything about credits transferring. Santa Ono can't do anything about credits transferring.

 

Every individual college/department gets to decider their own criteria - and there is nothing Ono, Warde, or admissions can do about it.

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Clarence Beeks

January 29th, 2024 at 9:03 AM ^

Harbaugh’s moves are really making me not like him.

This. My exact reaction is “F that guy”. And people wondered why the whole “Harbaugh burns bridges wherever he leaves” thing was a thing. How he is doing all of this is why that’s a thing. People blamed Jed York et al, but the reality is that it happened when he left Stanford, when he left SF, and now here. At some point you have to just accept that the root problem is the common denominator.

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Speed_in_Space

January 29th, 2024 at 9:02 AM ^

Sherrone doesn't have as many connections as Jim. If the rumors of most of the staff being poached is true and Jim is kneecapping the Michigan program by poaching most of the coaches, I hope he gets the Lions special of 0-16 or worse. Having to replace that many coaches is insane and conveniently just as OSU is assembling an NIL wrecking ball down in Columbus.

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Ghost of Fritz…

January 29th, 2024 at 8:30 AM ^

False.  Michigan has always been a bit dysfunctional, and we are seeing that again.  This should have been an orderly transition.  Both JH and Warde have made it anything but that, in their own individual ways.  Programs that are not so dysfunctional get this right.  Michigan (JH and Warde Manuel) did not.   

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