Greatest athlete of all time (US)
So ESPN did a "Top (US) Athletes of the 20th Century (ESPN, 1999)" ....
https://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/greatest-all-time/athletes-esp…
And the top 5 were ...
1 Michael Jordan basketball
2 Babe Ruth baseball
3 Muhammad Ali boxing
4 Jim Brown American football
5 Wayne Gretzky ice hockey
Now, i can argue up and down a few things - like Ali and Brown not belonging there. Like Gretzky being higher, like no Michael Phelps or Jesse Owens etc..
But one thing i don't think is subjective, how in the hell is Secretariat not only not in the top 5, but not number one on any list?
Im curious - what would everyones top 3 be? And what are your thoughts on Secretariat? Is he not high or on top of lists because, he is a horse?
Mine would be ...
1) Secretariat
2) Wayne Gretzky
3) Michael Phelps
I still remember watching that Belmont Stakes, happened right around high school graduation time for me. I'm more amazed by that horse every time I see a clip of that race.
Damn, I thought you were being hyperbolic about the chills. I had seen the finish part of the race before, but to watch the whole thing induced chills indeed. That was insane. Thanks for sharing.
Still the record holder by 2 seconds. Unreal.
WOW! I had never watched this before - this is unreal. Thanks for posting!
Gretzky may be my #1. His accomplishments compared to his peers were just incredible, and some of these stats are ridiculous:
https://www.si.com/hockey/news/10-hilariously-ridiculous-stats-to-illustrate-wayne-gretzkys-dominance#:~:text=Gretzky%20won%20the%20scoring%20title,31%20points%20in%201988%2D89.
Just to cherry pick one example, "He could go more than 16 years without a point and still average a point per game in his career."
Jim Thorpe. To compete at the highest level in the Decathlon and the Pentathlon in the same Olympics is the most remarkable achievement in sports history. No matter the era. He went against the greatest athletes of his time and won the two most difficult events in the games.
He also played pro football and major league baseball.
The absence of Thorpe on any list like this makes the list a joke to me.
Yep, any list should include Thorpe and Jesse Owens in the conversation.
Here are some names that I think you could argue should be in the Top 5: Jim Thorpe, Carl Lewis, and Jackie Joyner-Kersee.
Agree on all. But do you put Lewis ahead of Owens? Maybe ... i guess?
Owens' place as a historical figure can't be matched given what he did in Germany, but Lewis won the long jump in four consecutive Olympics. And that is, as I'm sure you know, in addition to all of his sprinting success.
He also still holds the world record for indoor long jump which he set in 1984. Carl Lewis for sure belongs in the conversation for best athlete, along with the totally separate discussion for worst national anthem rendition.
As good as Owens was, the guy who finished second Robinson was not far off at all...
Yea, it's well know that Carl Lewis was juicing...
Just Google Carl Lewis steroid use.
This is just the first article that popped up but there are many pages worth of articles...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
Can't believe no one is mentioning Brady.
Hardly the most imposing physical specimen, either now at age 44 or when he was in his physical prime (whenever that was). Wasn't the tallest, the biggest, and sure as hell wasn't the fastest, but that sure hasn't mattered over the last 20 years. Everything he brings to the table, from a mental standpoint, the clutch standpoint, having that "it" factor that just wills you to victory, you can't replicate that. There's nothing you can throw at him that he hasn't seen before. There is nothing that he doesn't know how to adjust to, find the weakness in, and beat. Seven Super Bowl rings, and he's got the potential to go get an eighth before this is all done. No other active player in the game is close to achieving what he has.
If you measure an athlete strictly by their physical attributes, Brady isn't anywhere close to the top of the list. But when you take the whole package, to me he is right up there with Michael Jordan, Simone Biles, Babe Ruth, and Jesse Owens. All of them are great for different reasons, but they were all great athletes.
Another all-time great that no one is mentioning: Jackie Robinson. He and Jesse Owens were probably the most courageous US athletes who ever lived. One shattered the color barrier in baseball at great personal risk to his own life, and another basically went right into Hitler's backyard and destroyed any and every ounce of BS there ever was about "Aryan superiority." Owens shattered that myth right in front of Hitler and the German citizenry. I can't imagine Nazi High Command was too pleased with the results of the games that year.
Jackie Robinson is a great call. I believe people are leaving out Brady b/c his pro success has all come in this century.
Ahh good call. Then yeah Brady wouldn't qualify. But Jesse Owens and Jackie Robinson should be very, very high up on that list.
Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders and Tom Brady should be in the top ten.
You make the Secretariat argument, which I think is absolutely nuts. He's a horse. He can run fast. That is all. He lacks every other skill.
My argument would be for looking at the ability to use athleticism across sports, giving more leverage to athletes like Dave Winfield, Bo Jackson, Prime Time, Herschel Walker, etc.
Tim Tebow.
/s
I mean, Secretariat was also bar-none the strongest athlete on any list you can think off (unless you include wrestling Grizzly bears) because he's a horse. That's a "skill". If your argument is he doesn't have human skills then go for it, but then we shouldn't call horse racing a sport nor should we call car racing one since it's effectively small people controlling machines. But since we treat horse racing as a sport so we might as well treat the participants as athletes.
dup.
He lacked hands.
Joe Louis and the rest.
This list doesn't surprise me but it's IMMENSELY mainstream male sport heavy. Like, is Rodger Federer a better athlete than Gretzky? I'd argue he is. Serena Williams dominated her highly-competitive sport for a long time. Simone Biles has shifted what's possible in gymnastics to a degree we don't probably comprehend as a society. Alex Honnold's free soloing of El Capitan is truly one of the great physical achievements in modern history. Brock Lesnar is an insanely-gifted physical marvel who was a world-class amateur wrestler, WWE performer, and MMA champion. And as others have noted, Secretariat was truly a dominant force in horse racing. The list goes on and on, and while I think all of the athletes listed here are worthy it's such a myopic outlook on what's considered athletic achievement.
Federer was ranked #64 at the end of 1999. He's primarily a this-century athlete. Same with Simone Biles, Brock Lesnar, and Serena Williams.
Man O War before Secretariat.
Of the humans;
Jordan
Brown/Jackson I can't pick between them.
Ali
Howe
Ruth
I do not get why anyone is mentioning Jordan.
Of everyone mentioned in this thread, he's the only one that conclusively proved his skills were not translatable to another sport.
Of everyone mentioned in this thread, he's the only one that conclusively proved his skills were not translatable to another sport.
That's an interesting take:
Of course he said that. It’s ass kissing bullshit.
I see it differently.... Gretzky was protected by the refs (though Jordan was too).
I place Bo Jackson and maybe Barry on that list.
Secretariat was the only S.I. athlete of year despite being a horse. He should be left off the list.
Bartolo Colon
Carl Lewis
Then we might as well put Barry Bonds on the list
Let's say it's appropriate to put a horse on the list for just a moment...I would still disagree because a horse generally only has 1-2 seasons of being an "athlete" and I think that longevity should play a role in how accomplished an athlete truly is. 1-2 seasons is considered a flash in the pan so I don't think it's really fair to include anyone on a list for such a brief period of excellence.
I'm also a bit surprised that I didn't see Jackie Joyner-Kersee on most people's lists. She was pretty spectacular in the Heptathalon over many years which essentially proves she was a GREAT athlete.
Way too many good candidates and variables to ever judge definitively but here are a few that came to mind. Not necessarily in order.
Most physically gifted: Bo Jackson, Allen Iverson, David Robinson, Lawrence Taylor, Roy Jones Jr, Champ Bailey, LBJ
Most accomplished athletic career: Brady, MJ, LBJ, Jerry Rice, Serena, Martina, Carl Lewis, Michael Phelps, Barry Bonds*
BO JACKSON
Justin Feagin
Justin Feagin
Fuck Lion
RONNIE COLEMAN
I would go with:
1 Bill Russel Basketball
2 Ty Cobb Baseball
3 Muhammad Ali Boxing
4 Tom Brady American Football
5 Gordie Howe Ice hockey
Gordie had the best shoulders of the bunch, but alas, he was Canadian.
1) Dick Weber
2) Pete Weber
3) Earl Anthony
Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Jackie Robinson, Adrian Peterson and Jim Brown. Those are all “athletes” and not just stuck to one sport.
Best athletes....bo Jackson and deion sanders because they were good at multiple sports, freak athletes. I know Deion couldn't tackle but he is probably the best cornerback ever. Bo is Bo. In a few years you may be able to say Ohtani for what he is doing and if he stays healthy.
My third is Simone Biles. She is so dominant and changing her sport because she is doing stuff not a single other woman on the planet can do.
Jim Thorpe is my pick for the ultimate multi-sport athlete
A horse is horse, of course of course. But I've seen no one like Secretariat as a force...