Forde: How Clemson Football Mastered the (Totally Legal) Art of Signal Stealing

Submitted by Communist Football on October 19th, 2023 at 2:43 PM

A 2020 article from Pat Forde for Sports Illustrated discusses Clemson's penchant for signal stealing (using techniques that the NCAA deems to be legal). A good read for context. One relevant excerpt:

Of greater insight might be the game that preceded the loss to LSU. That’s when Clemson eked past Ohio State in the CFP semifinals, 29–23. In that game, the Tigers fell behind 16–0 before slowing the Buckeyes down and rallying.

In Ohio State’s first five possessions, it produced four scoring drives and 290 offensive yards on 35 snaps, 8.29 yards per play. The next eight possessions led to one scoring drive, 243 total yards and 4.86 yards per play. Did Venables’s support staff crack the Buckeyes’ play-calling code during the game? A couple of staffers at other schools suggested it.

In a sport rife with espionage and intrigue, figuring out what’s coming before the snap—by any means necessary—is just part of the game.

Michigan, of course, is being accused of something that the NCAA deems illegal -- sending a staffer or friend in person to scout opponents' games.

Communist Football

October 19th, 2023 at 2:46 PM ^

BTW here's a statement from a University of Michigan spokesman named Rick Fitzgerald:

The university has been notified by the NCAA, along with the Big Ten, that the NCAA is investigating allegations of play signal stealing by Michigan football.

The university is fully cooperating with the Big Ten and NCAA.

The investigation is ongoing and will not impact Saturday's game.

At the University of Michigan, we are committed to the highest ethical and integrity standards for all members of our community.

 

Don

October 19th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^

"At the University of Michigan, we are committed to the highest ethical and integrity standards for all members of our community.

Furthermore, we will not insist that other programs be held to the same standards we are. We are committed to being the sacrificial lamb for the NCAA. It is our hair shirt and we wear it proudly."

JHumich

October 19th, 2023 at 3:13 PM ^

100% that this is because Jim was about to get a contract, and it's not a vendetta against Michigan more broadly as much as a personal vendetta against Jim by somebody who couldn't care less if Michigan gets burned in the process.

That's got Warde's fingerprints all over it.

Amazinblu

October 19th, 2023 at 4:05 PM ^

Respectfully, this is not true.   The real reason is - The Brown Jug.  Yes, in certain contexts it refers to an establish on South University in Ann Arbor.  And, in other circles it refers to one of the oldest "trophy" games / prizes in the annals of college football.

So, it may be a cheeseburger or two - though, when they toured the Glick, they caught eye of that incomparable trophy, the brown jug.

Little Brown Jug - Michigan Football Family Association

 

The Origins of the Little Brown Jug | Bentley Historical Library

WalterWhite_88

October 19th, 2023 at 3:37 PM ^

Investigating allegations of "play signal stealing" by Michigan football?? Sign stealing isn't illegal unless they're using electronic devices to do it... so that means they think Michigan was stealing signs electronically? Or is this a misstatement and the NCAA is only investigating the potential illegal scouting? 

The Homie J

October 19th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^

All I'm asking for a little evidence of the wrong doing.  Staffer at another game?  Cool, easy to prove.  Show me the photo of our precious little GA in the stands at Nebraska earlier this year with a telephoto lens pointed at the Nebby sideline.  That's it.  Not asking for much.  "They knew our plays too well" is neither illegal, or something you should openly admit because it typically means you're an awful coach lol

blueheron

October 19th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^

Hey, it's possible that Michigan is the only school with a certain illegal competitive advantage. How possible?

Think about how many people (in the "vast network") would need to keep quiet. Is that realistic? Does it make sense that Michigan would take that kind of risk when all it would take is one disgruntled staffer for the whole building to burn down?

FB Dive

October 19th, 2023 at 3:15 PM ^

Problem with the NCAA is that they'll launch investigations with no reasonable suspicion, much less probable cause. Unsubstantiated rumors? A salty vanquished opponent? Good enough for them. Then, they'll launch the investigation and demand documents, interviews, etc. And if you resist at all, they slap you with Level 1 non-compliance charges. 

It's absurd and the inevitable breakaway cannot happen soon enough.

MeanJoe07

October 19th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^

Don't even try.  We're fucking cooked.  We don't recover from this.  There's never going to be an article that says "NCAA Drops Investigation. Michigan Proves Their Innocence".  The season is over.  I'll probably never watch college football again either.  Why bother?  Could have been the greatest season in Michigan history, but no.  Even if we did survive this they would come up with something else. 

BlueMk1690

October 19th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^

If Michigan sent a staff person to watch games of opponents in person and if that coach took video of the sidelines during those games which was then used by Michigan staff to analyze the opponents' signs..we broke the rules and need to accept the punishment for it.

But they better have evidence of exactly that happening. Evidence of Michigan seemingly knowing what the other team wants to do is no evidence at all of wrong-doing. Evidence of people known to Jim Harbaugh attending games of opponents is also no real evidence whatsoever.

The timing of it, the fact that MSU almost instantly shows up in the stories around it, the fact that the conference claims the NCAA made them aware of the investigation and yet the conference is supposedly conferring with Michigan's opponents about details of the probe that not even Michigan has been made aware of..make me strongly suspect that fuckery is very much afoot here.

MeanJoe07

October 19th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^

Believe me they do.  Probably every team does some version of it.  The NCAA knows what technicalities they can bring up and use against any team they want at any time.  That's how they maintain leverage and power.  Most schools would tell them to pound sand, but Michigan will bend over for the NCAA every time to maintain their image.  They know that.  Plus they really don't like Harbaugh.  So we're getting fucked.  It is what it is.  Season is over. No playoffs.  Vacated games.  Possibly no more Harbaugh.  Book it. 

 

Blau

October 19th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^

The other, larger context that needs to be considered is what degree someone stealing signs and can they prove an impact it has from one game to another.

Are teams stupid enough to use the same signs all season long and how do you determined that a team used the intel to their advantage? The reason this pseudo-rule is hard to enforce any violations on is that the game actually has to play. The optics look bad but let's say Michigan lost to ECU or UNLV!? Would they still bring this up in the news? Fact is whether the team had stole signs or not, can anyone actually confirm that the information gained was funneled back to the team and what help would that have if teams change their play calls or sideline signs week-to-week like they should. There's enough fake or dummy signs coming from the sidelines that who knows whether they helped a team or worked to their disadvantage.

LB

October 19th, 2023 at 2:54 PM ^

I'm going to take a deep breath and put this one on the same pile that holds then entire Mel Tugger saga. I vowed to avoid that as much as possible and my life is much better for it.

Mr. Elbel

October 19th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^

I've compiled the RPS stats from UFRs this season. Maybe the NCAA believes we stole signs from the brand new OC at Indiana during their bye week.

ECU: +3
UNLV: +1
BG: +6
Rutgers: +4
Nebraska: -1
Minnesota: +7
Indiana: +11