Florida Universities to open on fall
"Florida’s public university campuses will reopen in the fall, state higher education leaders announced Monday, but details won’t be known until later.
Some specifics will be discussed May 28 at the State University System’s Board of Governors meeting, where a task force will present guidelines for reopening. Representatives from each of the 12 schools in the system will share individual plans about a month later, on June 23."
So how inaccurate do you think this data is?
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429/
Someone should alert that right-wing rag the Atlantic, because they consider Florida's data to be A+ level:
I understand that Iowa had a breakout around the meat packing facilities, but there have also been jumps around Souix Falls area (which makes sense because both MN and NE have had flare-ups). Also, Iowa had a second peak a week ago in terms of deaths. I agree that there needs to be larger investments into safer technologies and worker environment in the plants.
Georgia's numbers, apparently, were "bungled" for the 3rd time in 3 weeks. So I'm a bit dubious about those numbers, honestly, as is the fact that they've had two nasty outbreaks in the past couple of weeks. Now, maybe they'll stay contained and they are just blips; as you noted there's been a downturn. But as I noted earlier, I'd look at those numbers with a bit of a side-eye.
As for Florida, a couple of things. First off, Florida hasn't tested THAT many people. They have more than 2x the population of MI, for example, and have tested only 200k more. NYS has about a million less people and have tested twice as many as FL. MA has tested about as many as MI and is 1/3 the population as Florida. So some of the low numbers may well be due to fewer tests. Also, there have been multiple claims that the state has suppressed death rates or how they're communicated. You can believe or disbelieve those claims as you see fit but I've also not heard a credible reason why certain states seemingly have much lower rates of positive tests and deaths than neighboring ones with similar demographics and orders. The whole "the virus doesn't like warm weather" hasn't materialized, and places like GA and FL have older populations with high co-morbidity conditions similar to those in other regions that have had outbreaks. I know it's fun to assume all of us East Coast liberals want to suppress the ability of freedom-loving Americans from getting a coffee at Starbucks or go to the gym but, honestly, I don't give a shit what you do. I just don't want be hunkered back in my house in a month because a bunch of people wouldn't wear masks because they didn't want to be told what to do, travel and spread the disease, and then cause a second outbreak. I'd love to be wrong but the rest of the world has shown some pretty solid evidence that this rush to re-open won't end well.
Good Lord.
Both Sioux City and Sioux Falls (not sure which you meant because your information is so all over the place) outbreaks were linked to meat packing facilities.
The nasty outbreaks in Georgia are likely due to the same thing (the population being affected is largely Latino and there are numerous poultry facilities in the area) from your own article.
Deaths aren't a great indicator because of the lag and how much age factors into who dies.
Both Georgia and Florida's data has earned A+ grades from the Atlantic:
https://covidtracking.com/data#state-NY
There may be discrepancies here and there but claiming there is proof that the overall data or trends are wrong is baseless. And really all of this is picking nits because the overall point was that their lock downs were going to be too late to prevent an overload of the hospital system...which of course didn't happen. And they were going to open up causing a huge surge of cases and deaths...and that didn't happen.
And no, what I think is that you want very dearly to be able to point to red states and put the blame on Republican politicians for causing deaths because the actions they took clashed with what you believed to be right...while at the same time you'll praise Gretchen Whitmer for doing a good job when based on the results she clearly did not.
States only started reopening 3+ weeks ago (Georgia was the 1st state to re-open on April 24th). It’s way too soon to say that reopening works because we haven’t seen a spike in cases yet. Putting aside the arguments about the accuracy of data, there’s a lag between when a person contacts the virus, when they get a positive test result, and when that result is actually reported to state health authorities. As Nate Silver has pointed out, today’s case counts are really a snapshot of what the outbreaks looked like 2 weeks earlier.
The new "two weeks away".
Does anyone expect anything other than a complet clusterf**k for college athletics this fall? Some schools will open with some restrictions, some will only be online. That's probably as it should be, but all I see is mass chaos for college sports.
Starting to look like only california will be without college sports
There are a lot of considerations for all of it, but as to college football, it may have been that some kind of "hard-reset" was in order anyway. I have not particularly enjoyed college football the last 3-4 years. Perhaps what will result from this shakeup will be something more coherent. I think college football may be best enjoyed as a regional product anyway.
Serious question; what happens if/when Universities do open and college sports take place on or near scheduled time, then a month or two into the semester or the season, there is an outbreak in a University or a football team? Does that team have to forfeit the games until they are healthy enough to play or until everyone tests negative?
Above is a great question and why it’s going to be a logistical nightmare to pull off. You look at these plans for pro sports and you wonder how the hell its going to be pulled off. It’s a lot tougher than just no fans. College is even tougher because the amount of teams.
I for one living here in Michigan are happy as hell Georgia Florida and Texas are going first. I can watch what happens from afar. Problem is with two of these state’s are reports keep coming out they are really cooking the books on numbers with one state being caught 3 times doing it and the other firing people for doing the job. That is concerning like China!
The biggest mistake made in all this is the talk of a vaccine that might not come. I never understood why everyone wasn’t talking therapeutics first that would allow us to continue in a safe manor until a possible vaccine. And not HydroImadumbass or shooting disinfectants. But once again that takes time.
For the love of everything wear a mask if you go out. Be respectful of others it isn’t hard. Some have really shown their ass that they’ve never been told No in their life before.
How about rooting for success in those southern states and not failure? It more about being told NO nearly all the time and not yes, we can overcome this.
I will keep wearing my mask when going to the store or other public places.
Hahahahaha the ole “you aren’t being positive routine.”
Thank You for wearing a mask
AMEN. Runner73...wash hands, limit unnecessary adventures, slowly start normal..if a mask makes everyone feel better about it so be it...it's not difficult. Shut down for eternity is absurd. Moderna vaccine SEEMS to be showing very positive results. Still incredibly early but how about some hope instead of head butting differences.
SEC SEC SEC SEC
The ways to fight this are exclusively "do not" things at the moment. A pandemic isn't a fight where you can be strong, get out there, and kick its ass.
Nicely put. I'm reminded of "So and so lost their battle with cancer" or "So and so beat cancer." As if it were a simple matter of putting up a fight ...
Silly, but it seems to be the American way.
NOTHING in any of this is exact...nothing.
Reporting/recording deaths-sketchy at best, some states are very tight while likely underreporting/overreporting. Some states are forcing any death with COVID as a COVID death be it 0.55 BAC level, GSW to the head, hit by a bus, or 103 years of age... Some states (NYC) have HEAVY nursing home inflection causing skew...there is ZERO data that is 100% accurate
Models- 2.2Million US deaths, 400K US deaths, 90K deaths...shifting model, was it warm weather? Social distancing? developing herd immunity in some areas? remote locations? age barriers? state lockdown measures? *also see-reporting abnormalities, either good or bad...not accurate
HOSPITALS-ICUs will be maxed, we don't have enough vents, bodies lined up in freezer trucks, oh wait it's not bad, oh shit the next wave is going to be five times worse...or is it...nobody knows.
FUTURE- NOBODY knows...nobody. We flattened the curve, some states are open, some areas are open, some states will remain closed until the governor realizes she isn't a VP candidate, some states are moving too fast, some governors are trying to prove a point, some figures are skewed to hide/overplay numbers...it's not even close to dependable information and the conversations on this board are starting to shift day by day...
The only reality is, we have a highly contagious virus that is global and has everyone on edge politically, financially, medically, socially, economically. It's time to accept the virus is doing what viruses do. Might a vaccine or immune therapy solve it? hard to say and no telling how long it will take to validate and mass-produce/provide such a tool...seems like a few companies are on the cusp of it...but nobody, NOBODY really knows with any certainty.
Probably... but that's the balance everyone is trying to strike, right? The question is whether you expect that to happen to maybe one or two teams over the course of a season or 50% of them.
Seems like it would be the same as if someone on a team tested positive for some other contagious disease. Maybe they'd try to reschedule the missed games, or just not count them in the final standings. It wouldn't necessarily be fair in terms of conference championships, etc. but that's not exactly the number 1 concern right now.
Notre Dame is planning to begin the fall semester August 10 and end by Thanksgiving, with no breaks until then. This appears to be an attempt to finish the semester the "second wave." I wonder if any other schools (primary or secondary) will join this strategy.
I think it will be copied. South Carolina I believe was similar
If football happens best case scenario for Michigan is that travel is restricted and they don’t have to play at Washington. Then the season is canceled before Michigan has to play OSU.
Schools are underestimating the disease spread. Companies are struggling with how to send employees back - safely. Ex: what to do with communal bathrooms? One person sneezes in it that is C-19 positive and the whole bathroom needs to be disinfected from top to bottom. Door handles? Distancing dorms/campuses/classes to single route flows to avoid interaction? Eating areas? I find it hard to believe the SEC or any other college has figured this out over Google, GM, Capital One, or any other large company.
Good. Everything should be open.
I am generally OK with planning to open all schools (K-12 and Higher Ed) in the fall and think we should be working aggressively to make that happen with the lowest risk possible while still allowing our kids to get a full education as close as possible to what we all had.
At a higher level relative to the lockdown Covid policy debate the following question has been occurring to me lately as I have seen more and more taken from my 5th grader (school, friends, softball, camp, etc.). What is reasonable for the old to ask of the young relative to fighting Covid-19?
Some data from the CDC.
80% of deaths are from people 65 and older. 0.84% of deaths are from those 34 and younger. For those under 14 the flu had caused 89 deaths since 2/1 vs. Covid which has caused 12. For the 15 to 24 range its about even with 42 flu vs. 59 Covid.
For hospitalizations 60% are those 65 and older with another 30% in the 50 to 64 range. Those under 17 are extremely unlikely to be hospitalized accounting for just 1.4% of hospitalizations. 5 to 17 year olds are 4.5 times more likely to be hospitalized by the flu as opposed to Covid.
On the flip side of this are the cost to try and control Covid. Lots of cost seems to be falling on the young. As noted above for young kids these costs are school, social lives, sports, camps, etc. For those in their 20’s it a mix of college, social lives and maybe most importantly jobs. A large percentage of the unemployment from this is falling on the younger generation. It will have lasting impacts on their financial well being. Parents in the 30 to 50 range are also having to balance work, educating their kids and caring for/protecting their parents which for many can become a nearly impossible task. At a government finance level we are also are adding trillions in debt that will have a cost for the younger generations that the older generations will not have to deal with. School budgets will also be cut which is another cost for the young as their opportunities will be limited and their education suffer.
Overall, the threat is primarily to the old and the cost is primarily on the young. At what point is one generation asking too much of the other?
So here is my question to you what do the kids who are raised or spend a lot of time being watched by grandparents do with school back open?
Looking at the Google it tells me that this is a small group, about 2% of kids are raised by grandparents. Of that group, 60% of the grandparents are under 60. This group seems more manageable than having all kids stay home from school for another year. We could offer on-line schooling for the group of kids who’s guardians are most at risk. Relative to kids who get before and after school care from grandparents we could provide funds for those kids to attend the before and after school programs at their school. There are reasonable steps we can take to mitigate the risk for our older population. Keeping kids out of school until August 2021 (assuming we have a vaccine by then which is a big if) is not a reasonable step.
First your numbers aren’t right overall and greatly vary for each school district
Second where will you get the money to pay for these after school latch key programs?
Third they won’t be out school until a vaccine.
In the this article https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/this-is-the-age-of-grandparents/561527/ the CDC estimates that, “about 3 percent of children nationwide live apart from their parents, and of those, nearly two-thirds are being raised by grandparents.”
Obviously, this varies a great deal by school district which would indicate a need for federal dollars to address it based on district need.
Regarding the money, we already came up with 3 trillion – seem like some money to get our kids back to school should not be out of the questions. If you want specifics, we currently spend $1 trillion annually on social security. A 5% cut would give us $50 billion to help out with the school problem.
If we are not going to wait for a vaccine, then what are we waiting for? Absent a vaccine, or effective treatment, what makes January 2021 much safer than September 2020 to go back to school? If we say its not safe in September it seems like a strong chance that we will say the same thing in January 2021.
Better at football, better at capitalism, better at covid.
OK I am from Michigan.. Lived there 30+ years. Love Michigan, its my home. Wife and I both went to school in GR and all of our families still live there so we hear all about the struggles. Have lived in Florida for the past 10 years, presently in Orlando and always smile at the Florida bashing that goes on here on the board. Whatever. I have no fancy links to polls or data I am just telling you what life is like here. I work for a national transportation company that is a segment of a global organization. My division has `35000 employees and there have been 100 positive cases nationwide within the organization. Zero deaths. My facility here in Orlando has 450 employees and we have had 2 positive cases. Both of those are back at work. We have not missed a single day of work. Zero. Dont even wear a mask to work just dont get all up in peoples grill. We wear masks to the liquor store ad grocery store but seriously... I cant speak to over or under reporting but I can tell you that we are just using common sense here. I am sorry for all the folks who have sacrificed their livelihood expecting a disaster here that never happened in Florida. I am not lying or trying to push a narrative either way.