Flashback: How close was Greg Schiano to the Michigan job?

Submitted by UMVAFAN on November 30th, 2020 at 6:09 PM

https://mgoblog.com/content/how-close-was-greg-schiano-michigan-job
 

Brian wrote the article above back in 2008. With hindsight being 20/20, would Michigan be in a better spot right now if Schiano made his way to Ann Arbor rather than RichRod? Or were there too many barriers for anyone to succeed immediately after Carr -  the pressure of following a highly successful coach, diminished recruiting success in prior years, various alumni factions wanting influence, etc.? 
 

If he would have “walked to Michigan” like Hoke was willing to do, it seems like he would have been the guy based on insider information. I tend to think he would have been a great cultural fit and could have kept players like Mallet in the fold and maybe even a few early draft prospects. He clearly gets the most from his players as demonstrated in his first go around and Rutgers and the early returns on his second tenure in a much different conference (it is crazy to think Rutgers was the king of the Big East a mere 12 years ago!).

If he were willing to come to Michigan now, would he be an acceptable candidate? I think he’d have immediate success and also has OSU ties now, which would only help our cause in the rivalry.

DoubleB

November 30th, 2020 at 11:56 PM ^

Back in the day, New Jersey was the stomping grounds of Eastern independents, particularly Penn State but also Syracuse and BC. The high school football there is easily the best among the NE / NY / NJ states.

Rutgers has always struggled to keep that talent in-state--Schiano really started to change that in his first stint.

befuggled

November 30th, 2020 at 8:49 PM ^

Before Schiano, most of their football success came at the hands of Ivy League schools and Connecticut and Massachusetts. When they started to beef up their schedule in the eighties, they didn't do so well. The guy before Schiano was 11-44.

So it is impressive, at least in Rutgers football terms, for Schiano to turn Rutgers into a marginal bowl team with the occasional good year (11-2 in 2006).

This of course is why everyone makes fun of Rutgers.

SysMark

November 30th, 2020 at 6:34 PM ^

I could be wrong but my recollection was that he played Michigan for a week or so then "turned them down", though nothing was actually offered.  The feeling was he was building himself up for when PSU came open.

tybert

November 30th, 2020 at 10:50 PM ^

There are enough sources that seem to support the PSU claim. 

I think he was offered the job after Martin met him at a NCAA conference and interviewed him in NYC. He supposedly accepted but then got wet feet thinking the PSU job was his in 1-2 years. 

I think it was just a 1-2 day period, but things were in flux big time after the Les Miles press conference "thank you and have a nice day!"

Given his career afterward and the embarrassment of the Tennessee rejection, he should have just stayed with his yes to UM and been way better off. 

Robbie Moore

November 30th, 2020 at 10:14 PM ^

I hate to say this but Schiano would have done way better than Rich Rod. Schiano is a "my way or the highway" guy and a first class prick to boot. But all those "Michigan Men" would not have rolled over him like they did Rodriguez. Schiano would have punched back and earned some respect.

As a fully paid up Michigan Man myself, I can get up on a soap box and declare that I am damn sick of hearing about "Michigan Men." Really, we need to stop radiating this sense of superiority. I am proud to be an alum and believe I got a terrific education at an amazing school and four fantastic years living in a great college town. But millions of graduates of other schools believe the same about themselves. And if they went toMSU or OSU they are delusional. 

tybert

November 30th, 2020 at 10:45 PM ^

The big difference between RR and Greg is that RR tried playing nice with the establishment and got burned. I still think he was doomed because the defensive strategy he tried to force (3-3-5) has no chance working vs. OSU, Wisconsin, etc. But he got ZERO help from anyone, including Woodson who would say on MNF when asked his school "Lloyd Carr's Michigan"

Greg would take no prisoners and punch back and hard. Eventually he would have been forced out by people clamoring for JH but could have a run maybe a shade better than Pelini at Nebraska. 

TickerTape

November 30th, 2020 at 6:48 PM ^

Flashback to 2008......Bill Martin gets his lazy ass off his yacht and takes a trip to Baton Rouge, Michigan roster stays intact, recruiting improves, a coach that can beat OSU is secured, the program is in a better direction.

Bill in Birmingham

November 30th, 2020 at 7:50 PM ^

Les Miles would not have consistently beaten OSU. LSU is one of the easiest jobs in the country at which a coach can excel. Very possibly the best high school talent per capita in the country and zero in state competition for said talent. And now that he's losing, everyone is down on Harbaugh for being weird (which he is). Les Miles is transcendently weird. With frequently ridiculous talent, he made Harbaugh's offense look like the Chiefs. I never have thought that one would have worked.

GoBlueinOhio

November 30th, 2020 at 7:11 PM ^

No outsider would have made it. The failure of Harbaugh will finally open the eyes of the moneybags that make the calls. RR never had a fair shake. We need to cut all ties with the Michigan Man attitude. Bo was great. But it’s time to move on away from that. It’s 1987 football however you slice it. 

jblaze

November 30th, 2020 at 8:23 PM ^

Schiano is a great coach (remember Rutgers the last 7 or so years)?

He would have held on to Mallett and Boren and would have generally kept Lloyd’s system (maybe poaching Larry Johnson too)?

We would certainly be better off than we are now. 

tybert

November 30th, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^

Losing Mallett was the killer - I don't blame richrod for that one, Lloyd supposedly F'ed things up with our QB to get him to transfer.

Mallett stays and I think Boren, Arrington, and a few other players stay and/or play hard for the new coach. 

2008 is probably an 8-4 season. Lose at ND, PSU, OSU and maybe Utah at home. The games vs. MSU, NW, Toledo, Illinois, and Purdue are wins.

I still think Greg would have be like JH 2015-19, maybe a fluke win vs. OSU, but way better vs. MSU. People would want him out because he is prickly, so his first 7-5 season would be his last. and JH would have been brought in as a savior.

The one thing Greg would have done is schooled dicktonio and prevented that guy from every being around long enough to have that 2013-15 run. 

tybert

November 30th, 2020 at 10:34 PM ^

I think that would have been impossible given Lloyd wanted Debord or English to be gifted the HC job.

Schiano would have probably charted the same course we saw from JH 2015-19. But probably even better vs. MSU since he would have snuffed out dicktonio with a pillow before the MSU prick was given keys to the 2nd best players in Ohio by Tressel.

Greg's fate would have been the same as Hoke's but I think he would have lasted 7-8 years winning 9, 10 games per year. 

The best comparison I have is Pelini at Nebraska - a supreme DICK but he did win 8-9 games a year for some time. 

tybert

November 30th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^

There's no doubt Greg would have not lasted forever because of his prickly nature, but some big wins go a long way. I think he could have had a 6-9 year career here before a 7-5 season may have sunk him and JH would have been ushered in. 

Big donors like Schmoozers - and Greg sure ain't that type. 

tybert

November 30th, 2020 at 10:25 PM ^

My recollection of this event was listening to the 11 PM news Thursday night in Dec 2007 and hearing the sports guy "Greg Schiano to be announced as Michigan's new head coach on Friday" 

I was a Les Miles guy but was OK with Greg after the way we crapped on Les and left him out to dry - Les deserved better. 

That Friday morning the news broke that Greg apparently had decided to reject the offer he had accepted - I called a longtime fan who was also connected to some people in the know because of his large donations to the athletic department.

What he shared to me made sense that morning and also even now. 

Greg used the excuse that NJ would improve the facilities at its state U (which didn't happen for years thanks the Great Recession) and he couldn't leave the players, even though he had already accepted the job at least verbally.

My connection told me that Greg had actually called a coach/person in the PSU athletic dept about when JoePa would step down and was told two things: soon, and Greg was Joe's choice.

Greg wanted to succeed Joe period and decided the Michigan job wouldn't be his stepping stone since Joe would leave "soon" 

As for what would have happened - I think three things: (1) very few wins vs. Tressel (he and the cheating were one step above what UM could/would do), (2) dicktonio would have met his match and probably been forced out from MSU by 2010/11 with maybe one win vs Big Bro, (3) maybe one BIG 10 title with a fluke year, OSU having QB issues, etc. - we may still have gotten JH in 2015, but not with the richrod and Hoke debacles, but instead a string of 9-4, 10-3 seasons. But we would have made Mike Dantoni into a surefire CFB HOF coach. 

M Go Cue

November 30th, 2020 at 10:32 PM ^

That 2008 piece should serve as a reminder that when filling a coaching vacancy it is very possible that your first and second choices turn you down.  Then what.

Not saying that would happen again here but if there is a vacancy this season, I fully expect every sports talker person to be asking if head coach at M is still considered a good job.

uminks

December 1st, 2020 at 2:32 AM ^

May be if he was hired instead of RR. Mallet would have stayed and believe it or not, in '08 we had a good defense and a decent RB, may be better RBs than we now have. The key would be if Schiano were able to get Michigan back to the '06 Carr level in 2 years, we would be in good shape before the 4 team playoff system started and if we would have gotten in to the playoffs, then recruiting would improve tremendously. 

CraigB

December 1st, 2020 at 9:16 AM ^

I was a big Bucs fan at the time and if his miserable failure at Michigan could have prevented him from getting the Bucs job, I might have been ok with it.