Ferentz is against satellite camps and guest coaches at university camps
“Before they became so talked-about, we actually did two of them last year,” Ferentz told SiriusXM College Sports Nation. “They’re good experiences. We did three this year, and I don’t think we made the news for any of them. We don’t really broadcast it. We go out and do the same thing. “What it really gets down to is just how you want to use your time. Me personally, I’m hopeful — and the NCAA will probably react — my personal preference is I’d like to see camps probably be limited to campus. On top of that, I would support not allowing any outsiders coming to work your camp.”
Sounds like a shot at Harbaugh's publicity and Exposure U with the guest coaching part. Perhaps he's salty from Rudock transferring here?
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Ferentz hates America.
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Stanzi may transfer. I think he still has two years of eligibility at Iowa.
Sounds like some of these coaches are used to kicking us around the past 7 years and don't like us going on the offensive through recruiting flyers, satellite camps, exposure u etc.
As for out of conference coaches, Michigan was always a force to compete with on the recruiting train, as well as in the rankings. We always stole a few national recruits, and took up a spot in the top 15. In addition, guys like Saban and his sEC brethren are egomaniacs and don't like the fact that our golden boy coach is getting more press than they are.
Agreed. Wisconsin and Ohio State were the best program of the last decade. As for the big 2 little 8 thing a lot of other programs don't like that Michigan and Ohio State receive most of the publicity from the big ten and feel like the conference gives preferential treatment to those two.
They never seem to mind that OSU and Michigan split the profits evenly with all BIG members.
under Hayden Fry than under Ferentz. Fry was a very, very good coach. Fenetz is not as terrible as many on the Board claim. He's a solid head coach. But he's no Hayden Fry.
Anyway, I do agree that is it an oversimplifcation to look at the Big Ten in the 10 years before the start of The Dark TIme (began in 2007) as just Michigan and OSU with all other others chasing 3rd place.
Fry had a marginally better winning percentage over Ferentz (61% to 57%), but Ferentz had a better starting position than Fry. Fry had to build the program from virtually nothing. That said, Ferentz was National Coach of the Year in 2002, his fourth season. Both were B1G Coach of the Year three times.
...is one of the reasons I judge Fry to be a far superior coach than Ferentz.
Iowa was so bad before Hayden Fry that the Wikipedia page on Iowa football titles the period immediately before Fry's arrival as "Two Decades of Losing." Before Fry Iowa had not had a winning season in 17 (!) years. Not even one winning season. That is insanely terrible.
What Fry did at Iowa, therefore, is much more impressive than some unknown turning up in Bloomington and turning present day Indiana into a three time Big Ten Champion, with the first conference title arriving in year 3. Even Indiana has had some winning seasons of late.
Fry's W/L record petered out a little towards the end of his long run at Iowa. Maybe he got tired or something. That supressed his overall win percentage a bit.
Ferentz walked into a much better situation than did Fry. That said, Ferentz is not a terrible coach. He's decent. Probably better than average in the Big Ten. Would not want him at Michigan (one word: Harbaugh). But that does not mean he is terrible.
In fact, Ferentz is so decent and un-terrible that Iowa gave him the best long term contract with a huge buyout in the history of the universe, except for Charlie Weis' ND contract.
I would say that Ferentz was a good coach for the previous era. He's just not a good coach for the current era. The game's changed and left him behind.
until the advent of the Big Ten Conference Championship game (a span of 31 years) there were only 7 years where OSU or UM didn't win or at least share the Big Ten Title. While other programs definitely got better and weren't the dormats they were in the 70's, the conference was still dominated by UM and OSU, just not to the extent it was in the 70's.
Big Ten titles won between 1980 and 2010:
13 - UM and OSU
5 - Iowa
4 - Wisky
3 - Illinois, MSU, PSU, NU
1 - Purdue
0 - IU, Minny
UM and OSU combined won/shared the conference title more times then all the others combined.
...are always nice.
Three shared conference championships for MSU are three too many, as far as I am concerned.
It always has baffled my why Illinois can't be a significaly better program than Iowa and MSU.
literally the last person that anybody would turn to for comment on this issue. Kirk, do you also hate dunking in basketball because it is still "only two points." Also, when you were a boy did you walk twenty miles to school, uphill both ways?
You are Iowa and nobody cares.
OK, I'm going to hold my nose and admit that Urban Meyer was right about something. When he came into the Big Ten, he criticized it for the general environment of complacency he observed.
There was no SEC-type edge to anything. No real innovation. No real aggressiveness. It was all gentleman's agreements and tried and true business as usual.
He was right. Things needed to be shaken up if the B1G was going to be nationally relevant. It was time for change and fresh blood.
Now we have that, in the B1G East at least, and you can really see the difference. We're becoming the SEC without the cheating. That's a good place to be.
They may burn you for Heresey. Not so much for Urban being right about something, but suggesting in the last paragraph OSU might not be cheating.
But to your point, Urban did speak about this and annoyed folks. And he did some things that annoyed the status quo coaches/programs. In a way he sort of paved the way for Harbaugh, or at least made what he is doing a little less radical. Meyer was more talking about change and doing things somewhat behind the scenes, Harbaugh has both been louder and more visibly active.
Or put another way, Meyer was, for the most part to the status quo, dogs and cats, living together! And perhaps a little Human sacrifice! Harbaugh has been fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave!
I agree with you in that Harbaugh is doing a lot of what Meyer did. He's just a lot more fun about it.
I thought the same thing!
"We have camps where we can teach kids football...but we don't tell anyone that we have them!"
I'm not seeing the butthurt here. It seems like all Ferentz is saying is that satellite camps are part of the current topography (outside the ACC and SEC), so he's participating. But he'd rather have a rule where guest appearances were forbidden.
How on earth is that a shot at Harbaugh?
just the fact that he went after satellite camps and the publicity they've given other programs. The only program who's really gotten a ton of publicity from them is Michigan. Then he goes on to talk about guest coaches at camps which seems like a shot at exposure u. Just reading the tea leaves and Sam and Ira had the same opinion about it being a potential shot at Michigan. Could also be talking about James Franklin but Franklin has gotten about 1/5th of the coverage that Harbaugh has gotten from these things.
You say that Ferentz "went after satellite camps" but the quote you use seems to fall a bit short of that. It may be that what you heard on Sirius (tone of voice, context, etc.) made it clear that he was going after satellite camps. But in print, his comments seem really benign to me. Especially compared to the whinging we've heard from some of the SEC coaches.
Not a big deal - but I'm just not seeing the "shot at Harbaugh" (or Franklin) here. It may well be an in the eye of the beholder situation.
(Of course the humor is evident too. A guy with a long-term sweetheart contract based on a couple of good seasons would prefer a world were he has more time off in the summer? Yeah - that is funny.)
Never change.
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“If a young guy comes here, it’s actually an Iowa football camp, and he’s coached by Iowa coaches, and we’re not paying exorbitant amounts for third-party people or high school coaches to bring prospects here."
That's right....all that money is tied up in Ferentz's salary and - for the time being - buyout and longevity bonuses. There's no way Iowa would fork over another dime for him to do THAT on top of all of his other duties, like going 7-5 and making sure that Greg Davis doesn't get too crazy with his innovations on offense.
You try to maintain a two-deep of finesse punters who can usually avoid a touchback while punting from the 34 yard line. Year-in and year-out. It's got to be exhausting sourcing those kids.
I mean, there's not exactly a ton of guys out there with that sort of h.s. experience. It being the 21st century and all.
"we’re not paying exorbitant amounts for third-party people or high school coaches to bring prospects here."
I'm pretty sure the registration fees for the camps Michigan ran were between $35-50. Not exactly a King's ransom to attend a camp coached by numerous big time naames.
Though I would like to hear him extrapolate on the word "exorbitant" in terms of his yearly salary and buyout.
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Wouldn't that mean that off-campus, HS camps are financially better options for players than on-campus camps where the University employs the typical "higher education" monetary extortion?
What?
The hate in this thread is beautiful. It fuels me.
Fry had his team at # 1 in the country at one point which is way better than anything Ferentz has done.
with a last second field goal at home over your #1 ranked Wolverines. We put them in their place, beating them here 22-13. That was their only B1G loss that year, they won the B1G outright because you guys kissed Illinois, 3-3. They then got trounced 45-28 in the Rose Bowl.
And just last year got a RB from Prattville. He has established connections in the south (a major reason Iowa was good for a while is that they took risks on a lot of FL athletes that stayed out of trouble... until they didn't). He's shifted a bit out of FL and started targetting TX, OH, and MI more, but satellite camps just increase the competition in those areas too.
Now with satellite camps, there is more competition for the projects and unheralded kids in the south or anywhere else. That's what this is about. He's doing satellite camps because they are allowed, so if they are going to be allowed he feels a need to do them; but he'd prefer they aren't because the reality is that it's increasing competition for recruits that he's built his program on (plus the farm boy OL/DL). If Alabama comes up to Michigan (which wouldn't at all surprise me) and they want to pull out a 3-star recruit, do you think that recruit will go to Iowa or Bama? Or if Bama pulls out some of the higher talent and Michigan or MSU have to take some lower-level recruits, will they go to MSU/Michigan or Iowa?
This is about self-preservation, not about not working hard.
Remember that one year when Iowa played in the Orange Bowl? Remember that?
that doesn't involve coasting on his ludicrous contract. He's been a dead coach walking as soon as Iowa figures out a way to afford cutting him loose for years now so of course he's going to want to do as little work as possible.
Of course the mediocre are against anything which reinforces competition and excellence.... happens EVERY DAY in my workplace too!!!
Fine Kirk, don't do them. Sleep in, have some waffles, a second cup of coffee and read the morning paper. You're old, you've earned the rest.
the pure excitement from high school players when Captain Conservative Kirk Ferentz comes to their school or a nearby one. Not.
His agent did his job, now it's time for Ferentz to do the same.