Even Pete Finebaum Himself is Defending Jim + OSU changed signs last year before game
Caught this on ESPN today. When Finebaum is essentially arguing this is a NCAA witch-hunt, you can tell just how widespread whatever Michigan is being accused of doing is.
Also, love this point buried in the newest Yahoo reporting on this situation:
Reading 11W, they are pinging between two equally goofy arguments: this explains Michigan's second-half dominance and this explains OSU's two losses last two years. The funniest thing is when one level-headed 11W points out the obvious (why would this lead to second-half gains rather than Michigan beating them from the jump), the 11W masses are responding that UM purposely didn't deploy the signs until second half to cover up the scheme. You gotta give it to them for idiocy.
In the end, winning cures all.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^
What is the potential damage to players future salaries, either real or extrapolated by an attorney?
October 20th, 2023 at 11:58 AM ^
This could directly affect Harbaugh's current contract.
Players might not be up for NIL deals if businesses don't want to be associated with bad PR.
Also, slander and libel don't need provable loss financially.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:00 PM ^
I don't visits the other sites, and I 'm sure they're biased. Are you suggesting that this site isn't biased (albeit with a different bias) or that your post doesn't reflect a personal bias??
October 20th, 2023 at 12:44 PM ^
"As the conclusion of this, I expect a MASSIVE lawsuit against the NCAA either from Michigan or Harbaugh."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I don't care who you are, that shit's funny right there...
October 20th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^
It's only worth going on OSU/MSU sites after ass kickings of those teams. Then, it's a great joy to read all the fire everyone, how could this have happened, how could we lose to "scUM" or "TTUN" again posts? Other than that, if you want to preserve your IQ points and sanity, stay away.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:36 AM ^
Yeah right, just really good at stealing signs.
So good at stealing signs the refs called back-to-back holding and unsportsmanlike penalties that absolutely killed a really important second half drive for them.
When Mike Sainristil found himself having to make up a measly 7 yards to get to the end zone and shit on Cade Stover...yeah, obviously he must've known what was coming because it just looked way too easy and he was in perfect position to make that play the entire time.
There must've been something really nefarious about the way UM was getting their information. I simply don't see any other way they could figure out how CJ Stroud would not, under any circumstance (except against UGA), run for a first down (or scramble at all). There's no way of knowing that kind of thing unless you're cheating.
Fuck off with that. Your team played shitty football and that's why they lost.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:42 AM ^
When Mike Sainristil found himself having to make up a measly 7 yards to get to the end zone and shit on Cade Stover...yeah, obviously he must've known what was coming because it just looked way too easy and he was in perfect position to make that play the entire time.
This is exactly where my brain went when all of this dropped. Even if teams have signs stolen, it's still on the players to execute.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:39 AM ^
These people would rather believe that Harbaugh is some sort of evil genius, playing 3-D chess with a vast network of spies and conspirators and that he's managed to hide it and keep it under wraps this entire time, rather than simply admit that he's a good coach that's helped turn a program around. It's almost comical that in this day and age, when everybody seems to want a villain everywhere, that they've somehow settled on Jim Harbaugh to fit that role, as opposed to all the other sleazebags out there.
Just wild stuff.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:23 PM ^
I hope you don't mind but I'd change your last line slightly.
Instead of "somehow settled on Jim Harbaugh to fit that role, as opposed to all the other sleazebags out there," I'd make it —
"somehow settled on Jim Harbaugh to fit that role, as opposed to the sleazebags out there."
October 20th, 2023 at 11:39 AM ^
I'm shocked but pleased to hear Finebaum give an honest assessment of the latest anti-Harbaugh crusade.
Aside question: Who wins the conference if..
OSU beats PSU
PSU beats UM
UM beats OSU
October 20th, 2023 at 12:00 PM ^
Not Michigan.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:27 PM ^
Unless Nebraska goes on an absolute tear through the west division.
Root for Nebraska most but also Purdue and Minnesota.
Root against Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois and Northwestern
October 20th, 2023 at 12:25 PM ^
Ooh, that's scary. I read an article that as the Revenge of the Nerdling Division, i.e., the Big Ten Waste, aka, Big Ten Least, ...
the tie breaker may come down to Big Ten West records!
October 20th, 2023 at 12:54 PM ^
I think it comes down to combined records of the teams played in the west division. OSU also plays Purdue and Minnesota, but they play Wisconsin instead of Nebraska. So, unless Nebraska can start winning some games, including @Wisconsin, that would seemingly eliminate Michigan. PSU played Iowa, Illinois, and Northwestern, so it really depends on how those last two do compared to Purdue and Minnesota (since Iowa and Wisconsin are likely to be similar).
October 20th, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^
I believe PSU would win it on like the 4th or 5th tiebreaker because they played Iowa and Iowa is going to Iowa into a 10-2 record.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:40 AM ^
This is starting to feel like “Roger Goodell punishes Patriots for the laws of physics.”
Harbaugh is going to be harassed until the NCAA feels like they have sufficiently “gotten” him. Yesterday, he was punished for picking up the tab on lunch. Today, he’s being punished for either 1) adequately scouting opponents ahead of time, or 2) adequately scouting opponents during the game
Tomorrow he’ll be punished for telling his players to get enough sleep. The day after that, he’ll be investigated for substituting too many fullbacks during the game
October 20th, 2023 at 11:48 AM ^
He'll eventually get a show-cause for serving whole milk to players during team dinners. Bunk is bunk. F the NCAA!
October 20th, 2023 at 11:55 AM ^
I wouldn’t be surprised if he got fined for “repeated intent to deceive” because we sub out too many defensive linemen.
Play action passes? Intent to deceive. RPOs? Intent to deceive. WR motion? Believe it or not, intent to deceive!
October 20th, 2023 at 11:56 AM ^
NCAA - “From here on and henceforth, let it be known that Michigan may not employ, or appear to employ, more than one TE on the field at a time. This includes but is not limited to players starting from the traditional fullback position or traditional TE alignments, WRs lined up or blocking in a manner most commonly related to TE blocking, nor actual OL beyond the traditional 5 OL on the field at the same time.”
October 20th, 2023 at 12:52 PM ^
Deflategate was the funniest shit. We had physics professors on TV explaining PV=nRT to newscasters and talking heads
October 20th, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^
OK, Mr. smarty-pants, but footballs are not inflated with an ideal gas... ;)
October 20th, 2023 at 3:10 PM ^
And everyone who wasn’t a Pats fan conveniently forgot what happens to your tires as the weather gets cooler.
It was hilarious watching people try to argue that a slightly under inflated football = instant win
October 20th, 2023 at 11:42 AM ^
Well I can only think of one way to respond. Play the starters more.
How many points did Brady score in the second half of the deflate- gate Indy game versus the first half? Little bitches want to bitch then release the hounds. Scout this M'fers!
October 20th, 2023 at 11:43 AM ^
An honest assessment of the situation by Finebaum. It was shocking, but refreshing to see to see him call this out for what it essentially is. Piling on by a petulant institution.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^
+1 for petulant. Words are fun. Lemmings and narratives are not.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:05 PM ^
Don't be fooled by Finebaum's "support."
Most likely he knows that a number of SEC teams use the same strategy.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:24 PM ^
yes. Because stealing signs is not illegal. It's expected.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:44 AM ^
Do not make the mistake I made this morning. Do not read Pat Forde’s “article.” Instead, trust my following in-depth review: shit sandwich.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:55 AM ^
OMG. Forde sucks. This is a man who never really had a fastball and he's way past his prime. (Hey, Pat, I'm sick of your "Dash" beer recommendations.)
His daughter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Forde) is already more accomplished than him.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:18 PM ^
Pat Forde still - after all of the video and evidence publicly available - refers to the tunnel incident as a "brawl". Speaks volumes about his objectivity.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:29 PM ^
Wow, I used to almost respect Pat Forde..... what a douchebag.
Way to slight an article Pat, biased much?
Dickhead....
October 20th, 2023 at 12:28 PM ^
Brooke Forde? He named his daughter Brooke Forde? As in ford a brook?
Does he have another offspring named Mustange Forde?
October 20th, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^
Prefecte Forde?
October 20th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
Oooh, THAT is a good one.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:45 AM ^
when one level-headed 11W points out the obvious (why would this lead to second-half gains rather than Michigan beating them from the jump), the 11W masses are responding that UM purposely didn't deploy the signs until second half to cover up the scheme
This is exactly what I said the MSU fans would say. I guess stealing the signs made two buckeye defenders pause in the UM backfield while JJ was handing off to the Don instead of following their assignments and tackling both guys and getting a TFL on the long run(s). And I guess the sign stealing made their DB's miss tackles and get turned around, leading to some long passing TD's. It definitely wasn't that their dudes missed assignments and whatnot - which if they would've just did what they were supposed to would've resulted in bad plays for UM - nope, it was the sign stealing.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:46 AM ^
Yeah those sucknut fans are on a different level now. They've always been delusional but now they're just pathetic.
October 20th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
Yeah, as a Columbus resident now, I can see this. They are the strangest combination of still thinking they're superior to Michigan, and hoping they don't get blown out again in November.
Actually, I really enjoy the latter when I talk to OSU friends - I've heard several iterations of "we might not lose by 30 again this year."
But yeah, they're a ridiculous fanbase overall.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:46 AM ^
You should be changing signals/signs week to week, half to half, even series to series if you feel like you're tipping your hand. The qb and 1 defensive player should also have a headset for direct communication with the coordinators. The signals/signs should mostly be a ruse. This is all very stupid.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:05 PM ^
Headsets aren't permitted in college. Proposals to allow them haven't gotten off the ground, apparently because it would make it impossible to steal signals and the coaches don't want to give that up.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:15 PM ^
Appreciate the info. Seems ridiculous.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:46 PM ^
Aren’t some teams now using a one way helmet mounted cuing system?
October 20th, 2023 at 11:47 AM ^
Ryan Day is just never going to accept that he got pounded...twice
October 20th, 2023 at 12:03 PM ^
The beatings will continue until understanding improves.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:47 AM ^
I hope this is all distilled in increased resolve by Jim and the players. As fans, I think that the right move is to ridicule and make fun. For the team, the emphasis should be on not getting derailed for a second.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^
Hey guys, I've heard they are opening up a new investigation against all UM opponents. Apparently, since the beginning of time and especially during the Harbaugh era, teams, coaches, fans, and media have somehow figured out that Michigan is going to run the fucking ball and run the fucking ball a lot until the other team stops it. The investigation is ongoing as to how everyone has the information.
October 20th, 2023 at 11:50 AM ^
Ah yes because Ohio State, who would always go into halftime of almost every game close and blow the doors off in the second half, never cheated
October 20th, 2023 at 11:57 AM ^
I think a better argument (if I’m playing devil’s advocate) would be that Michigan needed a half to confirm the set of signals they’re using, then in the second half they’d have all the calls figured out.
Irregardlessly, if you really are stealing signs, yeah it’s an advantage, but you’re not really learning that much beyond tendency and situational stuff. The same way Romo can telegraph several plays in a row during a broadcast based on scores, gametime, down and distance.
The Jimmies and Joes still have to make the play even if they know the X’s and O’s.
October 20th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^
OMG you're right. Romo must be stealing signs! He was in the NFL, and so was Harbaugh, so they must know each other.
Tony Romo is in the Vast Network!!™
#NCAALogic
October 20th, 2023 at 11:57 AM ^
The NCAA has egg all over their collective faces after Harbaugh a) got away with a 3 game suspension b) made his old man an interim coach and c) got all kinds of good will from the national media by rotating up and coming coaches, giving young talent great opportunities to wear the head coach headset. Now the NCAA is digging around for anything. Partly to get Harbaugh this time, but more so to slime him, so a 2023 Michigan national championship is "tainted".
It is petty and small. Take the L, NCAA.