Even after the flips today Michigan holds the #10 recruiting class in the nation
Given the uncertainty at the top of our coaching staff and certainly on the defensive side of the ball (allegedly) finishing up at #10 is not that bad. Could've been worse, way, way worse (just ask a Purdue fan). The entire B1G as follows:
#2 OSU
#10 Michigan
#16 Wisconsin
#19 Maryland
#21 Penn State
#22 Iowa
#23 Nebraska
#27 Minnesota
#33 Michigan State
#40 Rutgers
#58 Northwestern
#61 Indiana
#76 Illinois
#79 Purdue
December 16th, 2020 at 5:36 PM ^
Very nice - talk about weathering a storm. Credit to Harbaugh and staff for fighting hard to recruit an excellent class despite so many impediments, whether self imposed or not.
December 16th, 2020 at 7:37 PM ^
Indiana 61? wassup Tom Allen?
December 16th, 2020 at 5:40 PM ^
You ever been to West Lafayette?
In all candor - just a phenomenal offensive class. Let's see how we feel about the defense in Late Jan/early Feb
December 16th, 2020 at 6:17 PM ^
Does driving past Purdue count as "been to West Lafayette"? If so, I've been to 11 of the 14 Big Ten campuses. If not, only 10.
December 16th, 2020 at 7:33 PM ^
Back in the day, my son got offered by Purdue under Tiller, and didn’t take it because he hated West Lafayette!
December 16th, 2020 at 5:41 PM ^
Excellent job by the coaching staff. Credit where credit is due. This represents a lot of persistence and hard work for sure.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:42 PM ^
Jeff Brohm did a face plant. Last in the Big Ten and 39 places behind Rutgers.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:45 PM ^
We're not in western Kentucky anymore, Toto.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:58 PM ^
While I'm not at all satisfied with the trajectory of Michigan Football under Harbaugh over the last few seasons, I hope this forever silences the idea I've seen from some (not so much lately, though) that Jeff Brohm would be an attractive candidate to take over the reigns at Michigan.
Purdue is a difficult but not impossible place to build a winner. Brohm's recruiting woes aren't helping his cause.
December 16th, 2020 at 10:10 PM ^
Yeah, I've noticed way fewer "Michigan should get somebody like Brohm, Fleck, etc." around these parts recently. At least with Fleck he can still sorta point at recruiting (though 38th ain't great considering the bulk of it was built off last year's success), but Brohm's classes at Purdue have gotten progressively worse (though this year's class only being 14 players may be part of the reason for the low ranking; on a per-player average it's a bit more middle-of-the-pack) and his teams have not been good on the field.
December 16th, 2020 at 7:36 PM ^
WTH is with Brohm's recruiting??? Dude has a great offensive mind, this doesn't make sense. I mean, I know it's Purdue and we don't expect much. But we should expect more than Rutgers can deliver!
December 16th, 2020 at 7:50 PM ^
I am curious as to why he struggles to. Is it him and his inability to inspire or does he have coaches that are poor recruiters. Even struggling we recruit fairly well
December 16th, 2020 at 5:42 PM ^
Yep, as polarized as we the fans are regarding the coaching staff, credit must be given when it's due. But that doesn't absolve them from the cluster that was this season. Salvaging the recruiting class today is a good first step, but they need to get some combination of Jaden McBurrows, Jaydon Hood, Ceyair Wright, George Rooks, Rayshaun Benny or the depth on defense will be worse than it was this year.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:47 PM ^
This season was a cluster for a number of teams and, for us, a number of reasons.
I'll judge the staff based off the last several seasons combined, with the *least* emphasis on this covid-adled, injury-ridden, cash-grab farse of a season.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:58 PM ^
Jaydon Hood's film is outstanding. I'd love to see that kid in this class
December 16th, 2020 at 5:45 PM ^
Coaching matters.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:56 PM ^
Appreciate you posting this. I've gone my whole life thinking it didn't matter.
December 16th, 2020 at 6:43 PM ^
Simple minded response.
December 16th, 2020 at 7:06 PM ^
So now you're a normal poster? What happened to your weird BEAVER FIGHT schtick?
December 16th, 2020 at 7:39 PM ^
Don't pout.
December 16th, 2020 at 7:31 PM ^
You're right. I need to be coached up, but I just found out how important it was. Baby steps Dr Marvin.
December 16th, 2020 at 7:59 PM ^
to a simple minded post
December 16th, 2020 at 5:46 PM ^
Awesome job by Coach Harbaugh and his assistants during a challenging 2020.
Really hope the good folks on this blog can recognize this and be happy and positive - at least until tomorrow when the bitching likely to recommence.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:49 PM ^
Notice that the loudest voices doing the complaining are the ones on here the least (either "newer" accounts or old accounts that rarely post). The bloggers that are active day-in and day-out on these boards have a bit more understanding and awareness of things.
December 16th, 2020 at 7:47 PM ^
I don't think that is true. I think everyone understands the situationg. We all feel good about the recruiting class, but with reservations about a few positions being thin. The main issues of roster management, player retention and player development have not been addressed. If cleaning house on the D coaches is the answer we will all be happy. Bottom line is it looks like JH is getting another chance deservedly or not.
December 17th, 2020 at 8:15 AM ^
No we actually won't, what exactly will be changing the defensive staff accomplish when the other half of the problem has been offenses under Harbaugh have ranged from bad to mediocre?
December 16th, 2020 at 6:00 PM ^
In a vacuum 10th in the nation is a very nice outcome. Unfortunately Ohio State is in the Big Ten East and they just signed a monster class. Again.
December 16th, 2020 at 6:47 PM ^
So what. They had a ton of talent in the Cooper years too. One or two players can take a season (I.e. Charles Woodson) from good to great. Let’s hope we have one! Or two!
December 16th, 2020 at 8:09 PM ^
And reality is they are never not going to. Credit to the coaches for signing a talented class, but in my opinion closing the gap with OSU is going to be done in the film room and game planning sessions during the week. OSU is also eating our lunch there as well right now and that needs to change. Michigan just isn't going to recruit at that level to match the on-field talent on a consistent basis. Not that they couldn't do it, they just aren't going to do what it takes to get to that level.
We'll have to get better at preparing the element of surprise and self-scouting our own tendencies in order to starting winning a few here and there in the rivalry
December 16th, 2020 at 5:48 PM ^
Agreed. The skill and speed brought in on the offensive side of the ball over the past 2 seasons give Harbaugh a chance -even if slim- to rewrite the narrative of his Michigan tenure.
He better pray the new defensive staff can coach these guys up, get some transfers on the D-Line, and teach and rotate scheme.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:51 PM ^
Recruiting is not the problem (at least on offense)
Play calling, talent evaluation (Milton as QB1?), and player development have been the damning factors
December 16th, 2020 at 6:36 PM ^
Yes. Coaching matters.
December 16th, 2020 at 8:23 PM ^
See I disagree. I don't think coaching matters at all.
December 16th, 2020 at 10:36 PM ^
Coach O, Chizik, and Kevin Ollie agree with you too
December 16th, 2020 at 5:51 PM ^
Many of the top 4 & 5 star athletes sign later, so unless we really step our recruiting, we will drop vs. the SEC teams.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:58 PM ^
I only count 13 players currently uncommitted in the 247 top 100. There's still some room for movement out there but a whole lot of people signed/committed today so these numbers are likely to hold pretty steady at this point.
December 16th, 2020 at 6:52 PM ^
I have the obvious preference for known guys with stars like Benny or Wright but sleeper guys could be more interesting than in most years.
With all the camps/games/visits cancelled it seems pretty likely that big schools and the rankings industry will miss on more talented guys than usual this cycle.
December 16th, 2020 at 6:38 PM ^
From what I saw, the only teams that look to move up from where they are now are TX A&M, USC and Oklahoma. Everyone else will pretty much stay where they are.
December 16th, 2020 at 6:49 PM ^
You are so full of crap. That’s just not true.
Jeez - let people enjoy a good day!
December 16th, 2020 at 5:52 PM ^
Thing is, our recruiting has never been awful.
It's the roster management, the development, the Xs and Os. Michigan's recruiting has not been organized well and we have gaping holes at key positions. And we're not recruiting well enough to equal OSU.
But OSU is one game a year. And if Michigan were going 11-1 every year we'd get more interest from recruits, retain the guys we have better, and things wouldn't be a mess.
I'm glad that our offensive talent looks good. I'd be a lot happier if I had any real confidence that we could hang on to all of these guys. But at least there is talent there on the chance that Harbaugh miraculously turns the corner, or alternatively the chance that we get a solid offensive coach in 2022. Better to have supplies in the cupboard than not.
December 16th, 2020 at 7:42 PM ^
This... There is plenty of talent on the team (save for DT), but it hasn't been used well, at all - especially offensively. I have my doubts that these guys will be used well.
But, you know what? Since it appears that Harbaugh will stick around, then I'll support him and hope for the best. He needs to prove he can get it done better than the last 4 years have shown, but I'll be pulling for him.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:53 PM ^
Am surprised we didn't land a single DT this 2021 https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?In…
Or even in 2020.
Is this because Brown's D doesn't use a traditional DT ? Or is it that Nua wasn't able to overcome the negative recruiting?
We went through this with OT with Drevno.
December 16th, 2020 at 6:08 PM ^
Poor defensive line recruiting the last several years is completely unacceptable given how successful Michigan has been at other positions. Michigan can't compete at a high level unless this improves. I think it comes down to the defensive coaches responsible for recruiting the DT and DE positions. Michigan needs to upgrade.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:55 PM ^
I think JJ, Worthy, and Edwards will all be first round NFL draft picks in the near future.
December 16th, 2020 at 8:08 PM ^
Ah yes. But who knew that walking the line between optimism and delusion was so treacherous...year after year. It's time to quit being the poster child for "the bigger they are the harder they fall". Is next year the year???
December 16th, 2020 at 8:55 PM ^
To be a first round picky, you either need to be in the top sixteen-ish of eligible players at any position, or else in the 17-ish to 50-ish range while matching a position of immediate need for a team selecting in the bottom half of the first round.
JJ is playing a position that only one person plays at, meaning in any given year, there's a limited number of teams that are willing to spend a first round pick. He'll need to be top 2-4 at his position the year he comes out. It's possible, but there's no reason to expect that to be the case, particularly with how QBs have been developed under Harbaugh at Michigan.
Edwards is in any even worse situation. He plays RB, the position with the shortest career in the NFL (meaning, a team is really minimizing their return on the investment of a high pick if they select a RB, as opposed to, say, an OL who plays for 16 years). NFL teams have been shying away from first round RB selections to a dramatic degree recently, as a replacement level RB is not so much of a step down from an All-NFL RB as it is at most other positions.
Worthy isn't even in the conversation for top 5 WRs in this recruiting year. Maybe he's top 10, depending on rating service. Unless you have some secret knowledge not available to the rest of us, there's simply no reason to predict that he'll pass much more highly ranked WRs that are ahead of him, many of whom are joining teams with much more prolific offenses than UM's. It could happen, of course, and one can hope for it to happen-- but to expect it to happen seems irrational.
Michigan's haul on the offensive side of the ball would have them finishing in the top 10, maybe top 8, if it is duplicated year after year. A fan can always hope to catch lightning in a bottle with a couple of players, or with a new OC, or with a generational QB; if that happens, it could be a top 4 offense in any given year, with this sort of recruiting. So depending on expectations, that could be very satisfying.
Let's not talk about defensive recruiting.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:55 PM ^
It's pretty much all offense. From another thread:
Is this the best overall offensive class we've had in Harbaugh's tenure? Four top -100 players along with four more in the top 275. Dunlap, Bounds, and Anthony look like potential gems.
I know there a lot of negativity out there right now--and much of it is deserved--but damn, this looks like an amazing offensive class.
Congrats to the offensive staff and recruiters as a whole.
That said...yes, there are some significant holes on the other side of the ball...
December 16th, 2020 at 5:58 PM ^
Really interesting to see how far down there Indiana is. 12th in Recruiting in the Big Ten is big yikes....Tom Allen clearly has a knack for getting everything out of the talent he gets but recruiting top talent is clearly not their forte.
December 16th, 2020 at 6:45 PM ^
It was for me too. Not sure what my expectations were for IU, but #61 was a surprise
December 16th, 2020 at 6:55 PM ^
I guess one could argue that their success was late enough in the class, that 2022 would be the first class where their success would be reflected in their recruiting class
But still, hard to succeed long term without the talent.