ESPN college gameday
November 1st, 2019 at 6:06 AM ^
That's the bottom of the barrel as far as college game days go.
November 1st, 2019 at 6:59 AM ^
I like it. Giving the smaller programs some love. There will always be another world’s largest outdoor cocktail party with ranked teams to have GameDay at.
November 1st, 2019 at 7:04 AM ^
My bigger issue is the terrible scheduling this year. This is like the third weekend where the college football Saturday schedule is atrocious. Product of the extra bye week I’m sure, but damn, tomorrow’s night schedule may be the worst I have ever seen.
November 1st, 2019 at 8:03 AM ^
The 2 by weeks contributed to the terrible schedules. We have 6 B1G teams with a by this week.
November 1st, 2019 at 10:56 AM ^
If this were the SEC, they would be on *buy
November 1st, 2019 at 8:40 AM ^
Definitely a product of the bye week. The problem is also exacerbated, in my opinion, by the increasing concentration of talent in the elite programs. Doesn't leave as much talent to go around when 5-stars are signing up three deep at Alabama just so they can get paid - and then the rest of the games suffer for quality.
Hopefully the NIL changes will move toward a more even talent distribution.
November 1st, 2019 at 9:04 AM ^
But teams are still ranked 1-25. I am typically not watching close enough to non-BIG games to notice any particular drop in quality, I am just talking about from a ranked v. ranked perspective. The second best game this week is Oregon v. unranked shitty USC.
November 1st, 2019 at 9:47 AM ^
In 2010 15 teams landed a 5 star recruit
In 2012 20 teams landed a 5 star recruit
In 2014 17 teams landed a 5 star recruit
In 2016 18 teams landed a 5 star recruit
In 2018 10 teams landed a 5 star recruit
As a teacher, who I assume was educated at Michigan, I'd like to think that you would realize that 2018 is an outlier and once excluded, that there's no statistically significant difference between the distribution of five stars over time. However, as a person who went to school... I have my suspicions
November 1st, 2019 at 9:56 AM ^
I'm not a statistician, but from the data presented, I don't think you can definitively say
2018 is an outlier and once excluded, that there's no statistically significant difference between the distribution of five stars over time.
Assuming around 30 5 stars a year, consider these two scenarios with 17 or 18 teams getting 5 stars:
- 13 teams get 2 and 4 teams get 1
- 4 teams get 4 and 14 teams get 1.
If the distribution patterns used to be like scenario one and now are more like scenario two, then I'd argue there is a meaningful shift in the distribution of 5 stars, even if the number of teams getting 5 stars each year hasn't changed.
Also the cumulative matters as well. Even if it is always 13 teams getting 2 and 4 teams getting 1, if a few teams get 2 every year and the rest are spread broadly over a set of teams that changes every year, then after 4 years, a few teams would have 8 5 stars, and a bunch of other teams would have 1 or 2.
November 1st, 2019 at 10:23 AM ^
Nerd.
November 1st, 2019 at 10:55 AM ^
Agreed, there's no universal definition for outlier. It looks like in 2019, 18 schools got at least one 5-star.
- 6 teams got 3 (or more): Georgia (4), Alabama, Auburn, Oklahoma, LSU, OSU.
- 5 teams got 2: Michigan, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Tennessee.
- 7 teams got 1.
Ten schools may be an outlier two years ago, or maybe 18 schools this year is the actual outlier for a regression that shows a slight downward trend.
With NIL rights coming, my guess is the trend will start heading the other way.
November 1st, 2019 at 5:22 PM ^
No. The data you listed says nothing conclusive about whether or not there is a long-term trend toward increased concentration of talent at the elite end of college football. Just one example: "10 teams landed a 5-star recruit" could mean that 3 teams had 6 five-stars each and 7 teams had 1 five-star each - which would not be a very even distribution - or that 10 teams had 3 five-stars each, which would be a much more even distribution.
Someone else linked the "5-star Domination by elite indicates less parity than ever" article from 247. It's possible that 247 is wrong about this, but the data that you offered doesn't prove it.
November 1st, 2019 at 9:27 AM ^
Sheesh...it feels like it's been more than three weekends. Almost every week, outside of the Michigan game, there seems to be no appetizing games to watch. And you can feel that on the media side of things with them desperately trying to talk up games that everyone already knows won't be close.
Like when they tried to hype Alabama's game against Texas A&M as possibly being a game of the century a couple weeks ago. Nice try.
November 1st, 2019 at 9:54 AM ^
Last night's games were good. App State goes down after a valiant comeback attempt. Michigan flavored WVA almost scores a winner against favored unbeaten Baylor. Ruben Jones, Keith Washington and George Campbell sightings included in that game. Campbell has an 83 yard reception last night. He only has 6 catches on the year but is averaging 31 yards per catch.
November 1st, 2019 at 10:44 AM ^
I thought those were great games. I kept meaning to change over to the NFL game as part of the rotation, but both of those kept my interest.
App State vs. Michigan in the NY6 has been a growing lol on reddit CFB, nice to see that put to bed. I wouldn't have particularly minded that a group of 5 representative would have been App State, but I'd like to see Michigan play someone else if that all falls into place. If it was App State and Michigan got one of those games, no doubt they would have paired them.
November 1st, 2019 at 6:16 AM ^
The intro, Maria Taylor and the picks are the only thing worth watching. Corso is gone, Herbstreit is a fuckin pud and the SEC circle jerk is pathetic. Sports talk shows are dying fast. People would rather stare at their phones.
November 1st, 2019 at 6:21 AM ^
Yeah. What the hell happened to Herbstreit? He was never anyone's favorite anything, but it's like he's lowering the bar intentionally so Fowler looks better and Corso looks far less senile (said with nothing but respect for Corso, who I still love watching for his picks and antics).
November 1st, 2019 at 6:25 AM ^
Fowler isn't on Gameday. I think you mean Davis.
November 1st, 2019 at 6:36 AM ^
Sure. I actually don't watch the show much. Like a minute or two a week. So neg away.
November 1st, 2019 at 7:01 AM ^
Yet you are an expert on everything about the show.
November 1st, 2019 at 10:13 AM ^
Up-voted you, mostly because I can hear you slamming me in the voice of Wayne and Garth. That's awesome.
November 1st, 2019 at 10:51 AM ^
I'm not worthy.
November 1st, 2019 at 6:47 AM ^
Pat McAfee was guest picker last week.. he was made to replace Corso when he decides to retire. Love him or hate him, his personality is made for Gameday.
November 1st, 2019 at 8:50 AM ^
He was great last week but as I was watching I thought he was a natural to go into wrestling.
November 1st, 2019 at 9:57 AM ^
He’s already there too. He’s working with the WWE to do online media stuff. During pay per views he’s live streams himself with wrestlers watching the matches. It’s gold.
November 1st, 2019 at 7:00 AM ^
November 1st, 2019 at 8:52 AM ^
Even though there are clear faults, watching Gameday on Saturday mornings with coffee and snacks is absolutely my favorite thing to do
November 1st, 2019 at 8:28 AM ^
Not sure why everyone hates Herbie so much. He is the most unbiased analyst out there. He is honest and tells you what he thinks. I am not sure you can ask for more than that.
November 1st, 2019 at 8:53 AM ^
He is biased, it is subtle, but it is there. My bias is anti OSU, and his bias is pro OSU which creates a clash and is the reason I dislike him.
November 1st, 2019 at 9:41 AM ^
He is going to give his opinion, if he thinks OSU is good of course he will say it. I honestly don't think he is biased at all, but since he went to school at OSU i think i can give him some slack like we do with Desmond. Just my 2 cents.
November 1st, 2019 at 10:44 AM ^
I think you would find that many OSU fans believe Herbstreit has traditionally gone out of his way to not talk up OSU. I personally believe he's been largely unbiased. My only negative review of Herbie is that he goes overboard on the cliches too much. "Pin his ears back", "Getting chippy out there", etc etc.
November 1st, 2019 at 12:21 PM ^
I have heard this complaint from them myself several times. They also call him a fake buckeye, which sounds ridiculous if you ask me.
November 1st, 2019 at 9:49 AM ^
You don't need to be biased to think that OSU is a fucking awesome football team. In fact, you need to be blind NOT to think that.
November 1st, 2019 at 1:59 PM ^
You have an incorrect assumption, ie I think he is biased because he thinks OSU is the best team.
November 2nd, 2019 at 12:38 AM ^
Desmond is more biased than Kirk and that is not debatable.
November 1st, 2019 at 8:31 AM ^
Eli got the Maria Taylor part right!
November 1st, 2019 at 9:27 AM ^
Maria Taylor is amazing. I'll die on this hill if needed
November 1st, 2019 at 10:00 AM ^
I'd vote for Molly McGrath
November 1st, 2019 at 10:09 AM ^
The signs have always been the best part of gameday.
November 1st, 2019 at 10:55 AM ^
What about Des? Does he not make it all worthwhile?
November 1st, 2019 at 6:18 AM ^
They selected this game to show the rebirth of a team once dealt a deathblow for doing what is mostly acceptable today. Paying players. Old pictures, scandals, and then "how times have changed with NIL rights now condoned by the NCAA." That's a cool story.
There would be no possible story of cash payouts, nor any historical lesson of significance at the alternative, a neutral site game in Jacksonville.
November 1st, 2019 at 6:25 AM ^
Yes, but will they talk about CJK5H (allegedly)?
November 1st, 2019 at 9:20 AM ^
They should spend a lot of time on this topic, I may actually tune in if they do.
November 1st, 2019 at 6:32 AM ^
They will be at the Ala/Lsu game next weekend and didn't want to do two SEC (CBS games) in a row. That is why they aren't going to Jax for the GA/FL game this week.
November 1st, 2019 at 6:34 AM ^
how nice of them to put their bias aside
November 1st, 2019 at 6:38 AM ^
Just for a week. It'll be back.
November 1st, 2019 at 7:33 AM ^
They may go to Minnesota for Minnesota vs Penn State. They have never been there and it should also be two undefeated teams. But the real reason would be that Bama-LSU is on CBS and Minn-PSU is ESPN/ABC
November 1st, 2019 at 8:34 AM ^
I would think they would want to be there for #1 vs #2.
I didn't realize it until today, but both of those games are in the afternoon. I'm surprised because there's not a single appealing game on Saturday night, unless you really think NC State can hang with Clemson. I wonder if this means that even the SEC doesn't see the value of night games in November. IIRC Bama-LSU was a fixture at 8PM for about a decade.
November 1st, 2019 at 9:23 AM ^
No chance the go to Minnesota over the Alabama-LSU matchup