Email-gate: Impact on Schlissel and his timeline for dealing with Brandon?

Submitted by michgoblue on

I was going to post this in the comments section to the front page post, but there are already well over 300!  (DetNews and Freep:  take note, if you want to generate clicks, you can do so by putting out really good content).

I am curious as to whether people here think that email-gate is something that is likely to influence Schlissel's decision, and if so, whether it will impact his timeline.  When I initially read the front page story, my first reaction was, "hell yeah, DB is gone asap."  But, upon reflection, I started to wonder whether this is something that will gain traction in the mainstream media and be of interest to Brandon, or whether he will simply dismiss it as the rumblings of some fanatical sports blog (good tagline there:  the rumblings of some fanatic sportsblog)?

My personal opinon is that Brandon is likely gone anyway.  But, if Schlissel is close to reaching that conclusion on his own, something like this - especially if it becomes a story - could lead him to speed up his time frame to get in front of the story. 

What say you, knowledgeable MGoBloggers?

BiSB

October 28th, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^

That is exactly what I said. If you ignore a bunch of the words and rearranged some others.

They have an obligation to provide reasonable access ("A public body shall furnish a requesting person a reasonable opportunity for inspection and examination of its public records"), and an obligation to preserve those public records "A public body shall protect public records from loss, unauthorized alteration, mutilation, or destruction").

No FOIA request is fulfilled at the University of Michigan in fewer than 15 business days, and many take more than that. A 30-day deletion cycle makes record-location nearly impossible.

Baloo

October 28th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^

Again, your conclusion that a 30-day deletion period is in violation of FOIA is not supported by the case law or the state government's deletion policy. Quoting the extremely broad, decades-old black letter law doesn't change that. Deletion would have to cease once the request is received, meaning that the time it takes to actually fulfill a request is irrelevant.

 

BiSB

October 28th, 2014 at 3:50 PM ^

Because you don't often see attorneys poo-poo "decades-old black letter law" as if the age of the statute affects anything, or cite "state government's deletion policy" as if it is something that can trump black-letter law. Not to mention the fact that the University is a constitutionally autonomous entity that is unaffected by "state policies."

Baloo

October 28th, 2014 at 11:59 PM ^

I'm not poo-pooing the black letter law, I'm saying that simply citing it must be taken with a grain of salt because it was written before widespread email use and metadata, a factor which courts have repeatedly looked at in interpreting its meaning. The historical context of statutes is frequently relevant in case law - I'm not sure how you could argue otherwise. Just look at many of the current environmental cases involving new carbon regulations and the PSD program under the Clean Air Act, a statute clearly not designed to account for carbon as a pollutant but one that must nevertheless accommodate changing circumstances. 

I cited the state government's deletion policy not as legal authority or a doctrine that affects the University but as evidence that policy-makers at the state level, who frequently consult with FOIA experts, don't support your interpretation. Yes, it's not binding authority, but I don't really feel like spending two hours on Westlaw at the moment to lay out the case law.  Come on man.  You're a better lawyer than this.

 

uncleFred

October 28th, 2014 at 3:25 PM ^

of electronic communications which cover all email. The rule used to require that a copy of all electronic communications be maintained for five years, but with in the last few years that was changed to forever.  I can assure you that the mail system or systems that provide email services to the University of Michigan must conform to that rule. 

I personally know the folks that upgraded the servers and backup mechanisms at another major midwestern university to comply with these rules. The next time I speak with one of them, I'll ask about this stiuation and if he remembers exactly when the rule took effect.

As I said above, if those emails ever got delivered to or sent from any email account at U of M there is a copy preserved in at least one backup somewhere, and probably several backups. Further the University can find them. The feds decided it was a national security issue that they can demand the production of such comminucations at anytime in the future and it can be made available. 

uncleFred

October 28th, 2014 at 4:15 PM ^

It's a result of the University providing email services and, I assume, accepting federal money.

I'd written up a very poor description of this but have decided that I'll ping the guy who oversaw the upgrades for the other university to get details so that I can point you at the rule(s) in question and the compliance guidelines.

That should answer the question in a fashion that you can follow up on, or perhaps demonstrate that I don't know what I'm talking about, in which case I'll take my appropriate drubbing. 

It may take a day or so to get an answer. 

uncleFred

October 28th, 2014 at 8:58 PM ^

My friend was good enough to answer promptly. His former university (he's retired at this point) decided to take a proactive stance in the event that they received a federal order to produce emails and determined to comply with the requirement in advance of such a request. However he explained that each university or college makes that decision independently and that many wait until faced with such an order. In the case of his university they preserve all faculty, student and staff emails. They also preserve selected emails based on patent work and, iin selected cases, emails related to the work of foreign research fellows. 

He also said that, to his knowledge, no univeristy preserves alumni emails primarily due to volume and processing costs. 

I misuderstood the process and did not realize that this was not a flat requirement. So perhaps Michigan has taken a proactive stance on this and has ensured that all staff, student, and faculty emails are preserved and perhaps they have not.

I apologize to all concerned.  I shall be more carful in my assertions in the future.

 

 

wolverineesq

October 28th, 2014 at 8:04 PM ^

You’re right that DB and the University have an obligation to preserve public records, but you’re presupposing that what’s at issue here is a “public record.” A “public record” is “a writing prepared, owned, used, in the possession of, or retained by a public body in the performance of an official function.” MCL 15.232(e) (emphasis added). The "black text, son" is in the statute, but you know that reading the statute is only the first step.

As far as I can tell, this hasn’t been heavily litigated, but if, as DB would likely argue, the emails were not sent in the course of official business but were instead snarky responses to snarky fans whose views had no influence on any actions he took or decided not to take, he could succeed on a claim that the emails were just personal correspondence to his work address, not true public records.

Discussing whether a record maintained by a public university constituted a public record, a plurality of the Michigan Supreme Court wrote that before a document can be considered a public record, the court must find it was maintained “in the performance of an official function.” Kestenbaum v. Michigan State Univ., 327 N.W.2d 783, 792 (1982) (Ryan, J., dissenting) (3-3 opinion that affirmed by default because court was equally divided).

While Judge Ryan’s Kestenbaum opinion is of limited use given it was filed in dissent, the court in Howell Ed. Ass'n, MEA/NEA v. Howell Bd. of Ed., 789 N.W.2d 495, 502 (Mich. Ct. App. 2010) quoted it with approval in its finding that certain emails sent by public school teachers were personal communications not subject to FOIA. In Howell, the court held that “unofficial private writings belonging solely to an individual should not be subject to public disclosure merely because that individual is a state employee.” Id. at 500. While recognizing the broad scope of FOIA and the public policy of full disclosure, the court stated it was “unwilling to judicially convert every e-mail ever sent or received by public body employees,” from their official account “into a public record subject to FOIA.” Id. While emails like the ones at issue can become business records, “it is their subsequent use or retention in the performance of an official function that render[s] them so.” Id. (internal quotation omitted).

Were this to be litigated, DB would have a compelling argument that the emails sent to his work account were not public records but were the rants of pissed off fans which he did not consider when he performed his work. In fact, in Longer Exchange 1, he states that his “job description doesn’t include having to be a punching bag for people who can’t handle their disappointment or frustration.” He (certainly unintentionally) helped his case right there by stating even then he didn’t believe what he was doing was part of his job, meaning the email wouldn’t be a public record.

Of course, not all of his emails could be “personal” and if the wholesale deletion alleged by one of his secretaries is true, that would be an obvious issue. But we don’t have any confirmation of that. In fact, the fact that they’re attempting to charge Brian a fair amount of money for records of his emails indicates that many emails still exist, which cuts against any claim that he deletes allof his emails

To be clear, I’m not saying it’s a slam-dunk for DB to argue this. It’s a close call. But questioning Baloo’s credentials merely because s/he disagrees with your analysis is a bit of a low blow considering it’s a closer legal issue than you’re making it out to be. 

teldar

October 28th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^

I think the point is here is that this is a true email beyond a reasonable doubt and that there are several more out there which are similar to this one, reinforcing the probability these are true. I'm not sure how you disbelieve this email. If you do disbelieve this, I would imagine you subscribe to the earth is flat, earth is only 6000 years old,and sun revolves around the earth theories.

 

Baloo

October 28th, 2014 at 2:12 PM ^

I posted this in the WD thread, but here's the recap. 

I don't believe these emails came directly from David Brandon because I find it extremely implausible that the CEO of the 4th-largest athletic department in the country is sitting home at midnight on a Saturday night and thinking "hey, I should log onto my old email account, see if there is any rude fan email, and write a 6-paragraph snarky response that I know could easily wind up in the public discourse. That seems like a great idea."  

I find it far more likely that the account was hacked, that the emails were forged, or that some low-level pencil-pusher in the department tasked with responding to emails got way out of control.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

October 28th, 2014 at 2:35 PM ^

I find it far more likely that the account was hacked, that the emails were forged, or that some low-level pencil-pusher in the department tasked with responding to emails got way out of control.

Oh, well, by all means, that would be OK then.  Who among us hasn't freely given out usage of our name to some flunky and never checked what they do with it?

And I know that if I decided to hack into Dave Brandon's email account, all I'd do is sit around waiting until someone sends it a complaining email and then respond snarkily. Nope, can't think of a better use of illicit email access than that.

CWoodson

October 28th, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

And keep in mind - under this theory, you hacked the account and spent YEARS sending dickish messages to people to some unknown end.  But you were careful never to send anything containing curses or slurs or that was too outrageous, because [reason].

You can see why this makes much more sense than a thin-skinned doofus sending snarky e-mails to people complaining about him, his performance, and his friends.

roosterbaan

October 28th, 2014 at 4:50 PM ^

so you came up with a fully implausible theory as an alternative to what the preponderance of evidence seems to indicate to be true?

i for one don't think it is at all implausible that dave brandon thought he was above all this. he is an egomaniac. and let's face it, no one would have ever brought this whole thing up if hoke just would have won more games (although they should have).

i think we have lots of evidence that this email pattern fits right in with who dave brandon is and how he acts. just watch any of his video recorded interviews. 

JamieH

October 28th, 2014 at 6:18 PM ^

Since we're talking about plausibilty.

 

You signed up on MGoBlog on 10/3/14.  The very night that Olberman ran the story on the Dave Brandon emails.  And pretty much all you do is go around defending Dave Brandon claiming the emails couldn't possibly have come from him. 

 

Coincidence?  

 

It's almost like your only purpose (job) here is to defend Dave Brandon from this email accusation.  Hmmm........

 

Yard Dog

October 28th, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^

There are several interview examples I've heard where celebrities/famous people/executive types admit they have email and social media accounts in their names that they do not personally monitor.  DB strikes me as a guy who might assign some low level lackey to do that type of work for him.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if that type of response comes of the UM PR machinery.  Could it be true?  Who knows?  Even Brian has had to make several assumptions on the way to claiming these are from DB.  There is no 100% certainty.

In the end, regardless of who sent them, DB needs to go.

blue_kate

October 28th, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^

It'd have to go viral, and I think since it was mentioned on several other news outlets prior to this development, that may not happen. That said, I'm sure Schlissel is aware of it, and I agree that Brandon was probably already a dead man walking. My hope is that if he somehow was hanging on by a thread, this is what snaps it.

Blue Durham

October 28th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^

If Brandon did ask his secretary to do something illegal by deleting the e-mails, then this is a fire-able offense. PR-wise, it also looks very, very bad. Also, a $500 fine per incidence might not be chump change in this instance. Potentially, that could be a huge liability to the university. I would think that all of this will have an impact on Brandon's severance. Like, he shouldn't get any.

Voltron is Handsome

October 28th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

Stop with the fucking "GATE" shit. My god. I don't get irritated too easily or often, but adding "gate" to everything is the dumbest fucking thing. Sam and Ira mentioned "stake-gate" this morning. Has this become a Michigan thing or something? It's so stupid.

LSAClassOf2000

October 28th, 2014 at 2:52 PM ^

Slowly but surely, the culture of Detroit and Wayne County politics is changing and moving past figures like Brandon for the most part, but it is worth mentioning that he is on the Board Of Directors at places like Herman Miller, Kaydon, my own employer (DTE) and perhaps even others. He makes six figures just voting on boards alone, I would think. 

ontarioblue

October 28th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^

Who of us hasn't sent an email or two we have regretted?  If you look at the time of the emails, I would suspect that he was tired of fans ripping the program after another loss and probably lost it.  That doesn't excuse his behaviour but it does offer an explanation.  I still don't see him being fired yet.   Dave Brandon has not caused us a single decommit.  Brady Hoke has, and in my opinion fire Hoke now, Brandon shortly afterwards.

Promote RichRod

October 28th, 2014 at 2:16 PM ^

an email I've sent in a professional capacity and I suspect most of us on this blog who have retained a job where we send a bunch of emails every day feel the same way.  I've never even thought about sending an email approaching the level of a DB email and I'm 100% positive I would be fired immediately if I sent one.

Why are people still holding him to the same standard as a blogger?  He is a leader of a gigantic enterprise and "speaking" with people that potentially pay $1000s/year to his enterprise.  His emails read like Youtube comments.

Tater

October 28th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^

It would be poetic justice if David Brandon not only got fired, but didn't get his multi-million dollar severance package.  If destroying emails does become a FOIA issue, it can be easily investigated by whatever body is responsible for enforcing FOIA.  Brandon won't be able to hide the fact that the emails were destroyed.  If months and even years of emails are gone, it could mean a lot of trouble for him.